[kicad-users] Re: pcbnew is amazing slow under windows 7 - workaround
This is not really a Kicad bug. The problem I believe is with Windows 7 Aero themes. Try changing your desktop theme to classic theme. You should see the difference. A lot of applications are having issue with the Aero themes because they mess with the display API. --- In kicad-users@yahoogroups.com, Stephen Eaton sea...@... wrote: Thankyou This was causing me much frustration as a first time user of Kicad on a test project over the last few days, while I can put up with a few of kicads lacking features this was going to be a killer for me (I must admit I love Kicad, coming from eagle). It's now acceptable using this as a work around. Has it been logged as a bug? Regards, Stephen.. From: kicad-users@yahoogroups.com [mailto:kicad-us...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ben_noz91 Sent: Thursday, 1 April 2010 2:53 PM To: kicad-users@yahoogroups.com Subject: [kicad-users] Re: pcbnew is amazing slow under windows 7 - workaround I had the same issue on my brand new laptop on Windows 7 64 bits. The interf_u.brd took many seconds to display or refresh. We can see the lines draw one by one. I tried different binary versions, with the same problem (KiCad-2010-03-14-SVN2456, KiCad-2009-02-16-final, kicad-20080825). Like you I tried on virtual machines: XP and Linux 64. And here, despite of virtualization overhead, the same test is responding instantly (so for me this is at least 50 times faster!)! After this I found a very simple turnaround solution: go with explorer to pcbnew.exe, click properties, and check unactivate desktop composition under the compatibility tab. With this the speed becomes from unusable to acceptable, but not as smart as under the linux or XP VM. So this acts as a conflict with the new display system of vista/win7. Hoping this little information might help you and other people that will face this problem. Greetings Ben. --- In kicad-users@yahoogroups.com mailto:kicad-users%40yahoogroups.com , o00batman00o anthony.siegrist@ wrote: Hello Since I upgraded to windows 7, I can't use pcbnew beacause the screen refresh is amazing slow. I can see dot grid showing up from left to right. I notice the same behavior on all PC running Windows Vista or 7. My temporary solution is to run Kicad under Ubuntu via VirtualBox. By this way refreshing rate is in my opinion 10 times faster. Does someone noticed the same issue? Is there a solution ? __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4990 (20100401) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4990 (20100401) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com
[kicad-users] Re: pcbnew is amazing slow under windows 7 - workaround
Maby the developers need to compile for windows 7 maby the compiler is smart enough to know how to compile the graphics to work with its optimisations... --- In kicad-users@yahoogroups.com, o00batman00o o00batman...@... wrote: Thank you! It works for me too! I tried different compability modes but not this option. --- In kicad-users@yahoogroups.com, ben_noz91 calmar@ wrote: I had the same issue on my brand new laptop on Windows 7 64 bits. The interf_u.brd took many seconds to display or refresh. We can see the lines draw one by one. I tried different binary versions, with the same problem (KiCad-2010-03-14-SVN2456, KiCad-2009-02-16-final, kicad-20080825). Like you I tried on virtual machines: XP and Linux 64. And here, despite of virtualization overhead, the same test is responding instantly (so for me this is at least 50 times faster!)! After this I found a very simple turnaround solution: go with explorer to pcbnew.exe, click properties, and check unactivate desktop composition under the compatibility tab. With this the speed becomes from unusable to acceptable, but not as smart as under the linux or XP VM. So this acts as a conflict with the new display system of vista/win7. Hoping this little information might help you and other people that will face this problem. Greetings Ben. --- In kicad-users@yahoogroups.com, o00batman00o anthony.siegrist@ wrote: Hello Since I upgraded to windows 7, I can't use pcbnew beacause the screen refresh is amazing slow. I can see dot grid showing up from left to right. I notice the same behavior on all PC running Windows Vista or 7. My temporary solution is to run Kicad under Ubuntu via VirtualBox. By this way refreshing rate is in my opinion 10 times faster. Does someone noticed the same issue? Is there a solution ?
[kicad-users] Re: pcbnew is amazing slow under windows 7 - workaround
Thank you! It works for me too! I tried different compability modes but not this option. --- In kicad-users@yahoogroups.com, ben_noz91 cal...@... wrote: I had the same issue on my brand new laptop on Windows 7 64 bits. The interf_u.brd took many seconds to display or refresh. We can see the lines draw one by one. I tried different binary versions, with the same problem (KiCad-2010-03-14-SVN2456, KiCad-2009-02-16-final, kicad-20080825). Like you I tried on virtual machines: XP and Linux 64. And here, despite of virtualization overhead, the same test is responding instantly (so for me this is at least 50 times faster!)! After this I found a very simple turnaround solution: go with explorer to pcbnew.exe, click properties, and check unactivate desktop composition under the compatibility tab. With this the speed becomes from unusable to acceptable, but not as smart as under the linux or XP VM. So this acts as a conflict with the new display system of vista/win7. Hoping this little information might help you and other people that will face this problem. Greetings Ben. --- In kicad-users@yahoogroups.com, o00batman00o anthony.siegrist@ wrote: Hello Since I upgraded to windows 7, I can't use pcbnew beacause the screen refresh is amazing slow. I can see dot grid showing up from left to right. I notice the same behavior on all PC running Windows Vista or 7. My temporary solution is to run Kicad under Ubuntu via VirtualBox. By this way refreshing rate is in my opinion 10 times faster. Does someone noticed the same issue? Is there a solution ?
[kicad-users] Re: pcbnew is amazing slow under windows 7 - workaround
I had the same issue on my brand new laptop on Windows 7 64 bits. The interf_u.brd took many seconds to display or refresh. We can see the lines draw one by one. I tried different binary versions, with the same problem (KiCad-2010-03-14-SVN2456, KiCad-2009-02-16-final, kicad-20080825). Like you I tried on virtual machines: XP and Linux 64. And here, despite of virtualization overhead, the same test is responding instantly (so for me this is at least 50 times faster!)! After this I found a very simple turnaround solution: go with explorer to pcbnew.exe, click properties, and check unactivate desktop composition under the compatibility tab. With this the speed becomes from unusable to acceptable, but not as smart as under the linux or XP VM. So this acts as a conflict with the new display system of vista/win7. Hoping this little information might help you and other people that will face this problem. Greetings Ben. --- In kicad-users@yahoogroups.com, o00batman00o anthony.siegr...@... wrote: Hello Since I upgraded to windows 7, I can't use pcbnew beacause the screen refresh is amazing slow. I can see dot grid showing up from left to right. I notice the same behavior on all PC running Windows Vista or 7. My temporary solution is to run Kicad under Ubuntu via VirtualBox. By this way refreshing rate is in my opinion 10 times faster. Does someone noticed the same issue? Is there a solution ?
[kicad-users] Re: pcbnew is amazing slow under windows 7
I did not want to criticize kicad, I just wanted to know if other user experience the same issue as me. I'm really satisfied about kicad functions. For information, my configuration is the following: core2DUO P8700 2,54GHz with 4Gb of RAM. The graphic card ;) is a Intel GMA4500MHD. I dont think it's an hardware problem, it's just due to the bad openGL implementation since Windows Vista. Kicad is running very well on my desktop PC using XP with a lighter hardware configuration. --- In kicad-users@yahoogroups.com, Greg Dyess gregory.dy...@... wrote: OK, I think your rant against Windows is just a little over the top and adds nothing constructive to the conversation. Some people don't have the choice to run whatever they want and that must be recognized. KiCAD supports Windows and if there is a major performance issue, it should be looked into since the level of graphics processing is pretty minimal for KiCAD compared to real-time games, etc. Having said that, I run KiCad on a machine (quad core, 2.4 GHz, 2 GB RAM) that dual-boots Windows XP Pro and Ubuntu 9.10. I see no discernable difference in performance between the two, so it's highly unlikely that Windows vs Ubuntu can account for the performance issues the user is reporting. I also run KiCad on a 3-year old laptop (dual-core, 32 bit @ 1.7 GHz with 2.5 GB RAM) and have performance complaints there either. You didn't mention what hardware you are running this on, so it's hard to tell whether you are just simply underpowered for Windows 7. Does your system run other applications well? Have you checked the Task Manager and/or Performance Monitor to try to determine what resource is causing the bottleneck (CPU, Memory, Disk, Interrupts, etc)? I would suggest you check the following: 1. Check to make sure all of the third-party libraries are up to date and are compiled with the optimizing/release settings. 2. Make sure you have plenty of RAM (at LEAST 2 GB or more). 3. Make sure you have the latest optimized drivers for your video card. 4. If you have BOINC running, make sure none of your projects are using the CUDA to push processing onto your graphics card. If you do have this, make sure at lease you have it set to only use the GCU whenever it is not busy or your graphics willl be horribly slow on everything. Check to see if you have any viruses or anything else running in the background soaking up CPU/GPU cycles. Greg From: DanielW dan...@... To: kicad-users@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, February 15, 2010 1:53:09 PM Subject: [kicad-users] Re: pcbnew is amazing slow under windows 7 There's another solution you're missing: use a CAD package that's designed to work well under Windows, unlike KiCad. Someone who's willing to shell out hard-earned cash for Windows 7 should be happy to also buy a nice commercial CAD package, such as Orcad. Trying to run Free software on Windows is just silly. If you're going to buy into the whole commercial software thing, then don't do it halfway. Use paid, commercial software for everything you do in Windows, as the whole environment is one where Microsoft and its ISV partners work together to bring you the software experience they think you should have, for a fee, and if you're bought Windows, then that proves that you also buy into Microsoft's vision. Microsoft's vision does NOT include any Free software; they've stated this publicly over and over. Personally, I'm perfectly happy with KiCad running on Kubuntu. Dan --- In kicad-users@yahoogroups.com, dickelbeck dick@ wrote: --- In kicad-users@yahoogroups.com, o00batman00o anthony.siegrist@ wrote: Hello Since I upgraded to windows 7, I can't use pcbnew beacause the screen refresh is amazing slow. I can see dot grid showing up from left to right. I notice the same behavior on all PC running Windows Vista or 7. My temporary solution is to run Kicad under Ubuntu via VirtualBox. By this way refreshing rate is in my opinion 10 times faster. Does someone noticed the same issue? No, but I don't use Windows. Is there a solution ? Use Ubuntu? How much pain do you need, before you switch? I hit my threshold 6 years ago. I assume you use Windows for a reason, is that reason so that you can call Microsoft and get help on issues like this? Please read the Kicad FAQ in the group files section before posting your question. Please post your bug reports here. They will be picked up by the creator of Kicad. Please visit http://www.kicadlib.org for details of how to contribute your symbols/modules to the kicad library. For building Kicad from source and other development questions visit the kicad-devel group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-develYahoo! Groups Links
Re: [kicad-users] Re: pcbnew is amazing slow under windows 7
This may be a red herring, but there have been one or two suggestions that W7 is maxing out it's available memory more that anticipated. I saw this reported o one of the newswires in the last day or so. Andy On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 21:12:07 - o00batman00o o00batman...@yahoo.com wrote: I did not want to criticize kicad, I just wanted to know if other user experience the same issue as me. I'm really satisfied about kicad functions. For information, my configuration is the following: core2DUO P8700 2,54GHz with 4Gb of RAM. The graphic card ;) is a Intel GMA4500MHD. I dont think it's an hardware problem, it's just due to the bad openGL implementation since Windows Vista. Kicad is running very well on my desktop PC using XP with a lighter hardware configuration. --- In kicad-users@yahoogroups.com, Greg Dyess gregory.dy...@... wrote: OK, I think your rant against Windows is just a little over the top and adds nothing constructive to the conversation. Some people don't have the choice to run whatever they want and that must be recognized. KiCAD supports Windows and if there is a major performance issue, it should be looked into since the level of graphics processing is pretty minimal for KiCAD compared to real-time games, etc. Having said that, I run KiCad on a machine (quad core, 2.4 GHz, 2 GB RAM) that dual-boots Windows XP Pro and Ubuntu 9.10. I see no discernable difference in performance between the two, so it's highly unlikely that Windows vs Ubuntu can account for the performance issues the user is reporting. I also run KiCad on a 3-year old laptop (dual-core, 32 bit @ 1.7 GHz with 2.5 GB RAM) and have performance complaints there either. You didn't mention what hardware you are running this on, so it's hard to tell whether you are just simply underpowered for Windows 7. Does your system run other applications well? Have you checked the Task Manager and/or Performance Monitor to try to determine what resource is causing the bottleneck (CPU, Memory, Disk, Interrupts, etc)? I would suggest you check the following: 1. Check to make sure all of the third-party libraries are up to date and are compiled with the optimizing/release settings. 2. Make sure you have plenty of RAM (at LEAST 2 GB or more). 3. Make sure you have the latest optimized drivers for your video card. 4. If you have BOINC running, make sure none of your projects are using the CUDA to push processing onto your graphics card. If you do have this, make sure at lease you have it set to only use the GCU whenever it is not busy or your graphics willl be horribly slow on everything. Check to see if you have any viruses or anything else running in the background soaking up CPU/GPU cycles. Greg From: DanielW dan...@... To: kicad-users@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, February 15, 2010 1:53:09 PM Subject: [kicad-users] Re: pcbnew is amazing slow under windows 7 There's another solution you're missing: use a CAD package that's designed to work well under Windows, unlike KiCad. Someone who's willing to shell out hard-earned cash for Windows 7 should be happy to also buy a nice commercial CAD package, such as Orcad. Trying to run Free software on Windows is just silly. If you're going to buy into the whole commercial software thing, then don't do it halfway. Use paid, commercial software for everything you do in Windows, as the whole environment is one where Microsoft and its ISV partners work together to bring you the software experience they think you should have, for a fee, and if you're bought Windows, then that proves that you also buy into Microsoft's vision. Microsoft's vision does NOT include any Free software; they've stated this publicly over and over. Personally, I'm perfectly happy with KiCad running on Kubuntu. Dan --- In kicad-users@yahoogroups.com, dickelbeck dick@ wrote: --- In kicad-users@yahoogroups.com, o00batman00o anthony.siegrist@ wrote: Hello Since I upgraded to windows 7, I can't use pcbnew beacause the screen refresh is amazing slow. I can see dot grid showing up from left to right. I notice the same behavior on all PC running Windows Vista or 7. My temporary solution is to run Kicad under Ubuntu via VirtualBox. By this way refreshing rate is in my opinion 10 times faster. Does someone noticed the same issue? No, but I don't use Windows. Is there a solution ? Use Ubuntu? How much pain do you need, before you switch? I hit my threshold 6 years ago. I assume you use Windows for a reason, is that reason so that you can call Microsoft and get help on issues like this? Please read the Kicad FAQ in the group files section before posting your
Re: [kicad-users] Re: pcbnew is amazing slow under windows 7
I want to say a great big THANK YOU to everyone who has volunteered their time and talents contributing to the KiCAD user community. Too often I tend to focus on the rough edges and not enough time being thankful for the silk engine inside. Now if I could only figure out how to get my build configuration working I would try to add a little to the effort. Greg From: Alain Mouette ala...@pobox.com To: kicad-users@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, February 17, 2010 7:19:34 PM Subject: Re: [kicad-users] Re: pcbnew is amazing slow under windows 7 It is not over the years, it is in the last few months this is what happens when you try a work in progress. Kicad team is working very hard in several new alternatives, at the current moment the main issue there is this speed problem which is windows centered... But there has been a lot of work on that matter *right now*. Old solutions have lots of problems, new solutions have others... It has to work on Linux, Mac, windows, hardware accelerated drivers, and I don't know what more. It is not an easy work, but it will be better when finished. Alain Carl Rash escreveu: I am running windows 7 ultimate 64-bit, I run an old version of Kicad (2007-11-29-RC2) compiled to 64-Bit executables using MS visual studio .net 2003 and the 2003 SDK. My screen refresh is blazing fast. I wonder what has happened to Kicad over the years? Please read the Kicad FAQ in the group files section before posting your question. Please post your bug reports here. They will be picked up by the creator of Kicad. Please visit http://www.kicadlib.org for details of how to contribute your symbols/modules to the kicad library. For building Kicad from source and other development questions visit the kicad-devel group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-develYahoo! Groups Links
Re: [kicad-users] Re: pcbnew is amazing slow under windows 7
I am running windows 7 ultimate 64-bit, I run an old version of Kicad (2007-11-29-RC2) compiled to 64-Bit executables using MS visual studio .net 2003 and the 2003 SDK. My screen refresh is blazing fast. I wonder what has happened to Kicad over the years? From: Greg Dyess Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 7:51 PM To: kicad-users@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [kicad-users] Re: pcbnew is amazing slow under windows 7 I wasn't trying to say KiCAD was using that much RAM. That was just the configuration of the machines. Also, I would NEVER try to run anything on Vista, period! If you have Vista, invest in the upgrade and don't attempt anything with less than 2 GB. From: kajdas kaj...@cox.net To: kicad-users@yahoogroups.com Cc: Greg Dyess gregory.dy...@yahoo.com Sent: Mon, February 15, 2010 6:19:12 PM Subject: Re: [kicad-users] Re: pcbnew is amazing slow under windows 7 Having said that, I run KiCad on a machine (quad core, 2.4 GHz, 2 GB RAM) that dual-boots Windows XP Pro and Ubuntu 9.10. I see no discernable difference in performance between the two, so it's highly unlikely that Windows vs Ubuntu can account for the performance issues the user is reporting. I also run KiCad on a 3-year old laptop (dual-core, 32 bit @ 1.7 GHz with 2.5 GB RAM) and have performance complaints there either. Good suggestions, but I am wandering what are you running because I also use Kicad on both and never used more than 0.5 GB of memory (768 MB installed) on single-core CPU and it is running fine, though not the latest SVN version. I would also recommend checking for viruses, because anytime I had a Windows machine slow down it was a zambie sending a lot of garbage to the internet. Unplug Ethernet and see. M. Please read the Kicad FAQ in the group files section before posting your question. Please post your bug reports here. They will be picked up by the creator of Kicad. Please visit http://www.kicadlib.org for details of how to contribute your symbols/modules to the kicad library. For building Kicad from source and other development questions visit the kicad-devel group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-develYahoo! Groups Links
Re: [kicad-users] Re: pcbnew is amazing slow under windows 7
It is not over the years, it is in the last few months this is what happens when you try a work in progress. Kicad team is working very hard in several new alternatives, at the current moment the main issue there is this speed problem which is windows centered... But there has been a lot of work on that matter *right now*. Old solutions have lots of problems, new solutions have others... It has to work on Linux, Mac, windows, hardware accelerated drivers, and I don't know what more. It is not an easy work, but it will be better when finished. Alain Carl Rash escreveu: I am running windows 7 ultimate 64-bit, I run an old version of Kicad (2007-11-29-RC2) compiled to 64-Bit executables using MS visual studio .net 2003 and the 2003 SDK. My screen refresh is blazing fast. I wonder what has happened to Kicad over the years?
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And let me just say that your efforts are greatly appreciated! - Anders Gustafsson Engineer, CNE6, ASE Pedago, The Aaland Islands (N60 E20) www.pedago.fi phone +358 18 12060 mobile +358 40506 7099 fax +358 18 14060 Alain Mouette ala...@pobox.com 2010-02-18 03:19 Kicad team is working very hard in several new alternatives, at the current moment the main issue there is this speed problem which is windows centered... But there has been a lot of work on that matter *right now*.
[kicad-users] Re: pcbnew is amazing slow under windows 7
--- In kicad-users@yahoogroups.com, o00batman00o o00batman...@... wrote: If I could I would have move totally under Linux but in the professional world it's impossible. Lots of developing software are not are only available for windows. Baloney
[kicad-users] Re: pcbnew is amazing slow under windows 7
There's another solution you're missing: use a CAD package that's designed to work well under Windows, unlike KiCad. Someone who's willing to shell out hard-earned cash for Windows 7 should be happy to also buy a nice commercial CAD package, such as Orcad. Trying to run Free software on Windows is just silly. If you're going to buy into the whole commercial software thing, then don't do it halfway. Use paid, commercial software for everything you do in Windows, as the whole environment is one where Microsoft and its ISV partners work together to bring you the software experience they think you should have, for a fee, and if you're bought Windows, then that proves that you also buy into Microsoft's vision. Microsoft's vision does NOT include any Free software; they've stated this publicly over and over. Personally, I'm perfectly happy with KiCad running on Kubuntu. Dan --- In kicad-users@yahoogroups.com, dickelbeck d...@... wrote: --- In kicad-users@yahoogroups.com, o00batman00o anthony.siegrist@ wrote: Hello Since I upgraded to windows 7, I can't use pcbnew beacause the screen refresh is amazing slow. I can see dot grid showing up from left to right. I notice the same behavior on all PC running Windows Vista or 7. My temporary solution is to run Kicad under Ubuntu via VirtualBox. By this way refreshing rate is in my opinion 10 times faster. Does someone noticed the same issue? No, but I don't use Windows. Is there a solution ? Use Ubuntu? How much pain do you need, before you switch? I hit my threshold 6 years ago. I assume you use Windows for a reason, is that reason so that you can call Microsoft and get help on issues like this?
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Please dont say silly things. If you thing that Windows is crap, I may agree with you. But there are lots of people out thete that *need* to use it, or are not as smart as you are to use only Linux. Kicad is NOT AT ALL ruling Windows out. There is a lot of work going on on the Development List to make windows as fast as possible and it will certainly get better before the final release. Alain PS: I am stepping this this because that is the second time that someone that should not speak in kicad's behalf sends an unpolite anwer to a windows user. I am not a regular Windows user myself, but I have a lot of good friends that are and I moving to Kicad is just one more step out of Windows. DanielW escreveu: There's another solution you're missing: use a CAD package that's designed to work well under Windows, unlike KiCad. Someone who's willing to shell out hard-earned cash for Windows 7 should be happy to also buy a nice commercial CAD package, such as Orcad. Trying to run Free software on Windows is just silly. If you're going to buy into the whole commercial software thing, then don't do it halfway. Use paid, commercial software for everything you do in Windows, as the whole environment is one where Microsoft and its ISV partners work together to bring you the software experience they think you should have, for a fee, and if you're bought Windows, then that proves that you also buy into Microsoft's vision. Microsoft's vision does NOT include any Free software; they've stated this publicly over and over. Personally, I'm perfectly happy with KiCad running on Kubuntu. Dan --- In kicad-users@yahoogroups.com, dickelbeck d...@... wrote: --- In kicad-users@yahoogroups.com, o00batman00o anthony.siegrist@ wrote: Hello Since I upgraded to windows 7, I can't use pcbnew beacause the screen refresh is amazing slow. I can see dot grid showing up from left to right. I notice the same behavior on all PC running Windows Vista or 7. My temporary solution is to run Kicad under Ubuntu via VirtualBox. By this way refreshing rate is in my opinion 10 times faster. Does someone noticed the same issue? No, but I don't use Windows. Is there a solution ? Use Ubuntu? How much pain do you need, before you switch? I hit my threshold 6 years ago. I assume you use Windows for a reason, is that reason so that you can call Microsoft and get help on issues like this? Please read the Kicad FAQ in the group files section before posting your question. Please post your bug reports here. They will be picked up by the creator of Kicad. Please visit http://www.kicadlib.org for details of how to contribute your symbols/modules to the kicad library. For building Kicad from source and other development questions visit the kicad-devel group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-develYahoo! Groups Links
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Exactly. It is like complaining to Apple that their programs do not work well under Vista. I guess the problem could be fixed somehow but most of Kicad developers use Linux, (I use Fedora) and their priority is in their own interest. Someone may eventually fix it when they see the need for it but I got tired of developing code when you have roadblocks behind every corner and MS charging toll. Linux programs running on Windows use compatibility-emulation libraries which always degrade performance. There may be a new library bug or new MIcrosoft 'feature' and who wants to spend time to find out which. M. DanielW dan...@wolstenholme.net wrote: = There's another solution you're missing: use a CAD package that's designed to work well under Windows, unlike KiCad. Someone who's willing to shell out hard-earned cash for Windows 7 should be happy to also buy a nice commercial CAD package, such as Orcad. Trying to run Free software on Windows is just silly. If you're going to buy into the whole commercial software thing, then don't do it halfway. Use paid, commercial software for everything you do in Windows, as the whole environment is one where Microsoft and its ISV partners work together to bring you the software experience they think you should have, for a fee, and if you're bought Windows, then that proves that you also buy into Microsoft's vision. Microsoft's vision does NOT include any Free software; they've stated this publicly over and over. Personally, I'm perfectly happy with KiCad running on Kubuntu. Dan --- In kicad-users@yahoogroups.com, dickelbeck d...@... wrote: --- In kicad-users@yahoogroups.com, o00batman00o anthony.siegrist@ wrote: Hello Since I upgraded to windows 7, I can't use pcbnew beacause the screen refresh is amazing slow. I can see dot grid showing up from left to right. I notice the same behavior on all PC running Windows Vista or 7. My temporary solution is to run Kicad under Ubuntu via VirtualBox. By this way refreshing rate is in my opinion 10 times faster. Does someone noticed the same issue? No, but I don't use Windows. Is there a solution ? Use Ubuntu? How much pain do you need, before you switch? I hit my threshold 6 years ago. I assume you use Windows for a reason, is that reason so that you can call Microsoft and get help on issues like this?
[kicad-users] Re: pcbnew is amazing slow under windows 7
If I could I would have move totally under Linux but in the professional world it's impossible. Lots of developing software are not are only available for windows.
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Things are abit moe complicated than that. The new version of Kicad has a major rework os it's internals. It is getting really better, for what I can see. There were problems in MAC, it seems to be solved, there are more problems in Windows, they are analyzing something like 3 alternatives right this weekend... Ah... and not all developpers use Linux, so at least some of the inner team is using windows... Don't despair. And if you want everything ok, why not jut grab the stable release? Alain kajdas escreveu: Exactly. It is like complaining to Apple that their programs do not work well under Vista. I guess the problem could be fixed somehow but most of Kicad developers use Linux, (I use Fedora) and their priority is in their own interest. Someone may eventually fix it when they see the need for it but I got tired of developing code when you have roadblocks behind every corner and MS charging toll. Linux programs running on Windows use compatibility-emulation libraries which always degrade performance. There may be a new library bug or new MIcrosoft 'feature' and who wants to spend time to find out which. M.
[kicad-users] Re: pcbnew is amazing slow under windows 7
--- In kicad-users@yahoogroups.com, o00batman00o o00batman...@... wrote: If I could I would have move totally under Linux but in the professional world it's impossible. Lots of developing software are not are only available for windows. yes, lots of C++ software developed with Visual Studio, C#,.net etc but becoming eclipsed by gcc, g++, eclipse IDE or cmake...but CAE, ASIC HDL simulators, embedded cross development, smart phone apps, etc are Linux based. A lot of apps run faster on Linux. Most annoying are web sites that only work with M$ exployer. I only use windows for Quicken and TurboTax. Hard to beat OpenOffice, evolution, planner, subversion, gcc, eclipse, Firefox, Thunderbird, ssh, UltraVPN, Apache, etc. Ubuntu has always installed fully functional and the debian package manager works well. Support from the Open Source community is often better than the pay as you go software. At the moment my dual boot system is stuck on loading the Mup.sys XP driver either from the Harddrive or CD boot probably because of a bad, yet disabled secondary IDE channel but Ubuntu reports the disabled channel in the log file, goes on and works just fine! -Frank
Re: [kicad-users] Re: pcbnew is amazing slow under windows 7
OK, I think your rant against Windows is just a little over the top and adds nothing constructive to the conversation. Some people don't have the choice to run whatever they want and that must be recognized. KiCAD supports Windows and if there is a major performance issue, it should be looked into since the level of graphics processing is pretty minimal for KiCAD compared to real-time games, etc. Having said that, I run KiCad on a machine (quad core, 2.4 GHz, 2 GB RAM) that dual-boots Windows XP Pro and Ubuntu 9.10. I see no discernable difference in performance between the two, so it's highly unlikely that Windows vs Ubuntu can account for the performance issues the user is reporting. I also run KiCad on a 3-year old laptop (dual-core, 32 bit @ 1.7 GHz with 2.5 GB RAM) and have performance complaints there either. You didn't mention what hardware you are running this on, so it's hard to tell whether you are just simply underpowered for Windows 7. Does your system run other applications well? Have you checked the Task Manager and/or Performance Monitor to try to determine what resource is causing the bottleneck (CPU, Memory, Disk, Interrupts, etc)? I would suggest you check the following: 1. Check to make sure all of the third-party libraries are up to date and are compiled with the optimizing/release settings. 2. Make sure you have plenty of RAM (at LEAST 2 GB or more). 3. Make sure you have the latest optimized drivers for your video card. 4. If you have BOINC running, make sure none of your projects are using the CUDA to push processing onto your graphics card. If you do have this, make sure at lease you have it set to only use the GCU whenever it is not busy or your graphics willl be horribly slow on everything. Check to see if you have any viruses or anything else running in the background soaking up CPU/GPU cycles. Greg From: DanielW dan...@wolstenholme.net To: kicad-users@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, February 15, 2010 1:53:09 PM Subject: [kicad-users] Re: pcbnew is amazing slow under windows 7 There's another solution you're missing: use a CAD package that's designed to work well under Windows, unlike KiCad. Someone who's willing to shell out hard-earned cash for Windows 7 should be happy to also buy a nice commercial CAD package, such as Orcad. Trying to run Free software on Windows is just silly. If you're going to buy into the whole commercial software thing, then don't do it halfway. Use paid, commercial software for everything you do in Windows, as the whole environment is one where Microsoft and its ISV partners work together to bring you the software experience they think you should have, for a fee, and if you're bought Windows, then that proves that you also buy into Microsoft's vision. Microsoft's vision does NOT include any Free software; they've stated this publicly over and over. Personally, I'm perfectly happy with KiCad running on Kubuntu. Dan --- In kicad-users@yahoogroups.com, dickelbeck d...@... wrote: --- In kicad-users@yahoogroups.com, o00batman00o anthony.siegrist@ wrote: Hello Since I upgraded to windows 7, I can't use pcbnew beacause the screen refresh is amazing slow. I can see dot grid showing up from left to right. I notice the same behavior on all PC running Windows Vista or 7. My temporary solution is to run Kicad under Ubuntu via VirtualBox. By this way refreshing rate is in my opinion 10 times faster. Does someone noticed the same issue? No, but I don't use Windows. Is there a solution ? Use Ubuntu? How much pain do you need, before you switch? I hit my threshold 6 years ago. I assume you use Windows for a reason, is that reason so that you can call Microsoft and get help on issues like this? Please read the Kicad FAQ in the group files section before posting your question. Please post your bug reports here. They will be picked up by the creator of Kicad. Please visit http://www.kicadlib.org for details of how to contribute your symbols/modules to the kicad library. For building Kicad from source and other development questions visit the kicad-devel group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-develYahoo! Groups Links
Re: [kicad-users] Re: pcbnew is amazing slow under windows 7
Greg Dyess escreveu: Having said that, I run KiCad on a machine (quad core, 2.4 GHz, 2 GB RAM) that dual-boots Windows XP Pro and Ubuntu 9.10. I see no discernable difference in performance between the two, so it's highly unlikely that Windows vs Ubuntu can account for the performance issues the user is reporting. I also run KiCad on a 3-year old laptop (dual-core, 32 bit @ 1.7 GHz with 2.5 GB RAM) and have performance complaints there either. I just want to make myself 100% clear: if you are running the latest *stable* version there is no performace issue. The performance problem is in the SVN version, which is a developer's only version. And the devellopers are working on it :) Alain
Re: [kicad-users] Re: pcbnew is amazing slow under windows 7
Having said that, I run KiCad on a machine (quad core, 2.4 GHz, 2 GB RAM) that dual-boots Windows XP Pro and Ubuntu 9.10. I see no discernable difference in performance between the two, so it's highly unlikely that Windows vs Ubuntu can account for the performance issues the user is reporting. I also run KiCad on a 3-year old laptop (dual-core, 32 bit @ 1.7 GHz with 2.5 GB RAM) and have performance complaints there either. Good suggestions, but I am wandering what are you running because I also use Kicad on both and never used more than 0.5 GB of memory (768 MB installed) on single-core CPU and it is running fine, though not the latest SVN version. I would also recommend checking for viruses, because anytime I had a Windows machine slow down it was a zambie sending a lot of garbage to the internet. Unplug Ethernet and see. M.
Re: [kicad-users] Re: pcbnew is amazing slow under windows 7
I wasn't trying to say KiCAD was using that much RAM. That was just the configuration of the machines. Also, I would NEVER try to run anything on Vista, period! If you have Vista, invest in the upgrade and don't attempt anything with less than 2 GB. From: kajdas kaj...@cox.net To: kicad-users@yahoogroups.com Cc: Greg Dyess gregory.dy...@yahoo.com Sent: Mon, February 15, 2010 6:19:12 PM Subject: Re: [kicad-users] Re: pcbnew is amazing slow under windows 7 Having said that, I run KiCad on a machine (quad core, 2.4 GHz, 2 GB RAM) that dual-boots Windows XP Pro and Ubuntu 9.10. I see no discernable difference in performance between the two, so it's highly unlikely that Windows vs Ubuntu can account for the performance issues the user is reporting. I also run KiCad on a 3-year old laptop (dual-core, 32 bit @ 1.7 GHz with 2.5 GB RAM) and have performance complaints there either. Good suggestions, but I am wandering what are you running because I also use Kicad on both and never used more than 0.5 GB of memory (768 MB installed) on single-core CPU and it is running fine, though not the latest SVN version. I would also recommend checking for viruses, because anytime I had a Windows machine slow down it was a zambie sending a lot of garbage to the internet. Unplug Ethernet and see. M. Please read the Kicad FAQ in the group files section before posting your question. Please post your bug reports here. They will be picked up by the creator of Kicad. Please visit http://www.kicadlib.org for details of how to contribute your symbols/modules to the kicad library. For building Kicad from source and other development questions visit the kicad-devel group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-develYahoo! Groups Links
[kicad-users] Re: pcbnew is amazing slow under windows 7
--- In kicad-users@yahoogroups.com, o00batman00o anthony.siegr...@... wrote: Hello Since I upgraded to windows 7, I can't use pcbnew beacause the screen refresh is amazing slow. I can see dot grid showing up from left to right. I notice the same behavior on all PC running Windows Vista or 7. My temporary solution is to run Kicad under Ubuntu via VirtualBox. By this way refreshing rate is in my opinion 10 times faster. Does someone noticed the same issue? No, but I don't use Windows. Is there a solution ? Use Ubuntu? How much pain do you need, before you switch? I hit my threshold 6 years ago. I assume you use Windows for a reason, is that reason so that you can call Microsoft and get help on issues like this?
