Re: [Koha-devel] Koha users wiki page outdated, use HEA

2018-08-23 Thread Liz Rea 


On 23/08/18 19:27, Paul Poulain wrote:
> Hello Liz,
>
>
> Le 23/08/2018 à 04:39, Liz Rea a écrit :
>> Hi Paul,
>>
>> No objection really, using Hea is a good thing and I recommend
>> libraries enable it. We should make asking about enabling it the last
>> step of the onboarder [is it there already? I forget...]. :)
>>
>> What I would like to see, is a lighter weight checkin to hea, where
>> if you (or your IT department) were feeling a bit wary about sending
>> all of your syspref stats to Hea, you could send only your Library
>> name and contact information, if desired (Koha could, of course,
>> provide things like the currently running version) as a one off.
> This idea sounds surprising to me: sharing sysprefs in anonymous way
> look less sensible than sharing library & contact. That's why we wrote
> HEA with only 3 options: share nothing / share data anonymously
> (including syspref) / share everything.
> In your idea, what about numbers already shared (like # of biblios,
> patrons, issues, ...) ? should they be sent with syspref or with
> library name/contact ?
> OTHER : do you think it's an option that will result in more libraries
> being on HEA ?

I do feel like having just the name and the contact information, as a
one off submission, would result in more libraries being listed in Hea -
especially if it's the last step in the onboarder at installation time,
and available say, to do later from the about page. could add a default
news item pointing to the preferences to turn it on and/or register your
library with the community.

IT departments are weird sometimes, what can I say. ^.^

>> I recognise this is a feature request for Hea :D and I think I'd be
>> happy at some stage to build the bits into Koha that were required to
>> have the feature, if it seems like something desirable to have in
>> addition to the auto reporting.
>>
>> I have other ideas about how one-off data could be used too, for
>> example you could flag those libraries if they never updated
>> automatically (or done an additional one off submission later) in Hea
>> "this library hasn't reported in for a long time - this entry may be
>> suspect." Those could be in an entirely separate list, too. Could
>> also email the contact automatically "hey update your entry if you're
>> still using Koha!"
> Good news: we store the "last update timestamp" on the server. So we
> can do that really easily ;)
>

-- 
--
Liz Rea
Catalyst.Net Limited
Level 6, Catalyst House, 
150 Willis Street, Wellington.
P.O Box 11053, Manners Street, 
Wellington 6142
04 803 2265

GPG: B149 A443 6B01 7386 C2C7 F481 B6c2 A49D 3726 38B7

___
Koha-devel mailing list
Koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org
http://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-devel
website : http://www.koha-community.org/
git : http://git.koha-community.org/
bugs : http://bugs.koha-community.org/

Re: [Koha-devel] Koha users wiki page outdated, use HEA

2018-08-23 Thread Paul Poulain 

Hello Liz,


Le 23/08/2018 à 04:39, Liz Rea a écrit :

Hi Paul,

No objection really, using Hea is a good thing and I recommend 
libraries enable it. We should make asking about enabling it the last 
step of the onboarder [is it there already? I forget...]. :)


What I would like to see, is a lighter weight checkin to hea, where if 
you (or your IT department) were feeling a bit wary about sending all 
of your syspref stats to Hea, you could send only your Library name 
and contact information, if desired (Koha could, of course, provide 
things like the currently running version) as a one off.
This idea sounds surprising to me: sharing sysprefs in anonymous way 
look less sensible than sharing library & contact. That's why we wrote 
HEA with only 3 options: share nothing / share data anonymously 
(including syspref) / share everything.
In your idea, what about numbers already shared (like # of biblios, 
patrons, issues, ...) ? should they be sent with syspref or with library 
name/contact ?
OTHER : do you think it's an option that will result in more libraries 
being on HEA ?
I recognise this is a feature request for Hea :D and I think I'd be 
happy at some stage to build the bits into Koha that were required to 
have the feature, if it seems like something desirable to have in 
addition to the auto reporting.


I have other ideas about how one-off data could be used too, for 
example you could flag those libraries if they never updated 
automatically (or done an additional one off submission later) in Hea 
"this library hasn't reported in for a long time - this entry may be 
suspect." Those could be in an entirely separate list, too. Could also 
email the contact automatically "hey update your entry if you're still 
using Koha!"
Good news: we store the "last update timestamp" on the server. So we can 
do that really easily ;)


--
Paul Poulain, Associé-gérant / co-owner
BibLibre, Services en logiciels libres pour les bibliothèques
BibLibre, Open Source software and services for libraries

___
Koha-devel mailing list
Koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org
http://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-devel
website : http://www.koha-community.org/
git : http://git.koha-community.org/
bugs : http://bugs.koha-community.org/

Re: [Koha-devel] Koha users wiki page outdated, use HEA

2018-08-22 Thread Liz Rea 

Hi Paul,

No objection really, using Hea is a good thing and I recommend libraries 
enable it. We should make asking about enabling it the last step of the 
onboarder [is it there already? I forget...]. :)


What I would like to see, is a lighter weight checkin to hea, where if 
you (or your IT department) were feeling a bit wary about sending all of 
your syspref stats to Hea, you could send only your Library name and 
contact information, if desired (Koha could, of course, provide things 
like the currently running version) as a one off.


I recognise this is a feature request for Hea :D and I think I'd be 
happy at some stage to build the bits into Koha that were required to 
have the feature, if it seems like something desirable to have in 
addition to the auto reporting.


I have other ideas about how one-off data could be used too, for example 
you could flag those libraries if they never updated automatically (or 
done an additional one off submission later) in Hea "this library hasn't 
reported in for a long time - this entry may be suspect." Those could be 
in an entirely separate list, too. Could also email the contact 
automatically "hey update your entry if you're still using Koha!"


We all know that wiki pages are out of date the moment you click Save, 
so using Hea really is the best way to register Koha usage for any 
library. I just want it to be comfortable for every library to submit as 
much or as little information as they are comfortable with.


Cheers,

Liz


On 23/08/18 00:04, Paul Poulain wrote:


Hello all,

I sent an email to anyone listed on 
https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaUsers/Europe, asking to 
update the reference, and explain HEA.


I got something like 15 bounces "email does not exist". I tried to 
reach OPACs for each of them (when on the wiki page).


I removed references that : have been bounced, have OPAC not reachable 
anymore, a very old version declared.



Le 09/07/2018 à 09:22, Paul Poulain a écrit :


Hello,

someone pointed me the https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaUsers 
page.


The French libraries you can see here are so outdated that it's 
funny: most libraries are supposed to be in version 2.x, supported by 
me (not BibLibre. So more than 10 years old data...)


Other pages are also highly outdated, almost nothing with the current 
version numbering schema. And now we have HEA (available since 3.18 IIRC)


I propose to:

  * drop an email to all contacts saying "you're the contact for the
wiki page https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaUsers, the
information here is outdated, please activate HEA (<>)"
  * update the wiki pages to add a big warn on top of each, saying
"this page is outdated, see hea.koha-community.org")

Any objection ?


--
Paul Poulain, Associé-gérant / co-owner
BibLibre, Services en logiciels libres pour les bibliothèques
BibLibre, Open Source software and services for libraries


___
Koha-devel mailing list
Koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org
http://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-devel
website : http://www.koha-community.org/
git : http://git.koha-community.org/
bugs : http://bugs.koha-community.org/


___
Koha-devel mailing list
Koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org
http://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-devel
website : http://www.koha-community.org/
git : http://git.koha-community.org/
bugs : http://bugs.koha-community.org/

Re: [Koha-devel] Koha users wiki page outdated, use HEA

2018-08-22 Thread Paul Poulain 

Hello all,

I sent an email to anyone listed on 
https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaUsers/Europe, asking to update 
the reference, and explain HEA.


I got something like 15 bounces "email does not exist". I tried to reach 
OPACs for each of them (when on the wiki page).


I removed references that : have been bounced, have OPAC not reachable 
anymore, a very old version declared.



Le 09/07/2018 à 09:22, Paul Poulain a écrit :


Hello,

someone pointed me the https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaUsers 
page.


The French libraries you can see here are so outdated that it's funny: 
most libraries are supposed to be in version 2.x, supported by me (not 
BibLibre. So more than 10 years old data...)


Other pages are also highly outdated, almost nothing with the current 
version numbering schema. And now we have HEA (available since 3.18 IIRC)


I propose to:

  * drop an email to all contacts saying "you're the contact for the
wiki page https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaUsers, the
information here is outdated, please activate HEA (<>)"
  * update the wiki pages to add a big warn on top of each, saying
"this page is outdated, see hea.koha-community.org")

Any objection ?


--
Paul Poulain, Associé-gérant / co-owner
BibLibre, Services en logiciels libres pour les bibliothèques
BibLibre, Open Source software and services for libraries

___
Koha-devel mailing list
Koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org
http://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-devel
website : http://www.koha-community.org/
git : http://git.koha-community.org/
bugs : http://bugs.koha-community.org/

Re: [Koha-devel] Koha users wiki page outdated, use HEA

2018-07-11 Thread Jonathan Druart 
There are 1005 installations and 1711 libraries.
Since Hea v2 (bug 18066) you can submit information at library level (see
/cgi-bin/koha/admin/usage_statistics.pl, "Libraries information: yes").

The list of the data shared is available from the hea website, about >
documentation.
There is also a "Why these statistics are useful" section

Regards,
Jonathan

On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 at 06:43 Michael Kuhn  wrote:

> Hi Martin
>
>  > * 1693 unnamed libraries.. I see lots of names here.. am i missing
>  > something: https://hea.koha-community.org/libraries ?
>
> Actually I didn't remember https://hea.koha-community.org/libraries -
> thanks for the hint!
>
> However https://hea.koha-community.org/ lists a number of 1'693
> libraries while https://hea.koha-community.org/libraries lists only
> about 1'140 of them by name. Why is that so?
>
> Quite some of them use letters that I just can't read - like مكتبة كلية
> الزراعة or สำนักพัฒนาโครงสร้างและระบบบริหารงานบุคคล - that's OK with me,
> but that said it is still a fact that without a transcription I just
> can't read the stuff...
>
>  > * 35 really up to date.. t's useful to see the distribution of
>  > installed  versions.. the HA stats are fed directly from koha installs
>  > and as such are automatically kept up to date.
>
> Yes I see that.
>
>  > I don't really see what your point was there?
>
> Paul was mentioning that many French libraries are or seem to be
> outdated - "most libraries are supposed to be in version 2.x [...] Other
> pages are also highly outdated, almost nothing with the current version
> numbering schema."
>
> In https://hea.koha-community.org/systempreferences of the aformentioned
> 1'693 libraries for even less than 1'140 of them the version number is
> given. But how representative are these? Comparing just the data from
> libraries.org (which lists about 5'000 Koha libraries) for example the
> distribution of countries is:
>
> * USA: 1'772 of 5'000 in Libraries.org / 149 of 1'693 at HEA
> * Turkey: 961 of 5'000 in Libraries.org / 3 of 1'693 at HEA
> * France: 305 of 5'000 in Libraries.org / 133 of 1'693 at HEA
> * Great Britain: 232 of 5'000 in Libraries.org / 31 of 1'693 at HEA
> * Germany: 41 of 5'000 in Libraries.org / 17 of 1'693 at HEA
>
> Now is libraries.org more representative or HEA... or none? To me it
> seems like some people are using libraries.org, some are using HEA or
> even both - but most don't use or even want to use anything at all.
>
> As I understand you need at least Koha 3.18 to use HEA even if for some
> libraries version numbers like 3.10 or 3.14 are given. Does this mean
> the other almost 14'000 Koha libraries are not even on Koha 3.18? Of
> course I can interpret, but since the numbers are not representative at
> all, I can just see that out of this unrepresentative sample of 1'693
> libraries 35 (2%) are really up to date. 35 of 15'000 almost unknwon
> libraries is even just 0.2%. What does it really mean?
>
> Maybe I'm the wrong person. Maybe someone should write here about his
> HEA expoerience who is actually using these numbers and explain in which
> way he can make use of these numbers... me, I'm probably just stunned by
> them.
>
>  > * It's easier to opt in to HEA than it is to manually add yourself to
>  > the wiki pages (if you even know of the existence of the wiki pages)
>
> Sure, I do know that, but still of the estimated 15'000 Koha libraries a
> maximum of 11% have opted to use HEA so far.
>
> But on the other hand if you add yourself in the Koha wiki (or let your
> support company add you) you can decide yourself what to add.
>
>  > * Clicking through to the library detail page in HEA shows all the
>  > information and more doesn't it:
>  > https://hea.koha-community.org/libraries/274
>
> Yes, but of course this is only true for the libraries that opt to add
> themselves to HEA. It seems many libraries don't know about HEA oder
> they think to have good reasons to not or never add themselves to HEA.
> Some of these reasons may be:
>
> * data protection - some may consider at least some of the data as delicate
> * data security - who knows what data is really submitted? So better
> don't submit at all
> * the IT department doesn't allow any outside connections
> * exposure is not wanted in any way (for example with company libraries,
> the library of the NSA/KGB, private installations, etc)
>
> I'm not a statistician but I doubt we will ever have what such a giy
> would call representative data in HEA or anywhere. So I think it is good
> to have ALL available data i. e. including the data in the Koha wiki and
> not deleting them.
>
>  > - If there's something
>  > missing do feel free to request it's addition.
>
> I do not request anything but I do indicate that the Koha wiki offers
> also e-mail addresses and names and some other information in the
> "notes" column. Last but not least, the information in the Koha wiki
> (unlike to HEA) can be edited by anyone who's got some information.
> Nothing

Re: [Koha-devel] Koha users wiki page outdated, use HEA

2018-07-09 Thread Michael Kuhn 

Hi Chris

>> Quite some of them use letters that I just can't read - like مكتبة كلية
>>
>> الزراعة or สำนักพัฒนาโครงสร้างและระบบบริหารงานบุคคล - that's OK with
>> me, but that said it is still a fact that without a transcription I
>> just can't read the stuff...
>>
>
> Really? Really? You are going to call someones language stuff and
> denigrate just because you can't read it?
>
> I stopped reading your email at this point.

I'm sorry if this is not the correct word to express what I wanted to 
say. I didn't intend to "denigrate" anything (I didn't even know the 
word "denigrate" until now...), I just wanted to say that I can't read 
or even understand these letters at all.


I wasn't aware the word "stuff" is "denigrating" letters I cannot read, 
I was just using it in the neutral sense of "material"... I now 
consulted the Merriam-Webster dictionary ( 
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/stuff ) and saw the word has 
very different meanings, among them


4 a : literary or artistic production

b : writing, discourse, talk, or ideas of little value : trash

As you know I'm not a native English speaker. You probably recognized 
4.b while I meant 4.a. However, I hope I now made clear what I wanted to 
say.


Best wishes: Michael
--
Geschäftsführer · Diplombibliothekar BBS, Informatiker eidg. Fachausweis
Admin Kuhn GmbH · Pappelstrasse 20 · 4123 Allschwil · Schweiz
T 0041 (0)61 261 55 61 · E m...@adminkuhn.ch · W www.adminkuhn.ch
___
Koha-devel mailing list
Koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org
http://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-devel
website : http://www.koha-community.org/
git : http://git.koha-community.org/
bugs : http://bugs.koha-community.org/

Re: [Koha-devel] Koha users wiki page outdated, use HEA

2018-07-09 Thread Chris Cormack 


On 9 July 2018 9:43:27 PM NZST, Michael Kuhn  wrote:
>Hi Martin
>
> > * 1693 unnamed libraries.. I see lots of names here.. am i missing
> > something: https://hea.koha-community.org/libraries ?
>
>Actually I didn't remember https://hea.koha-community.org/libraries - 
>thanks for the hint!
>
>However https://hea.koha-community.org/ lists a number of 1'693 
>libraries while https://hea.koha-community.org/libraries lists only 
>about 1'140 of them by name. Why is that so?
>
>Quite some of them use letters that I just can't read - like مكتبة كلية
>
>الزراعة or สำนักพัฒนาโครงสร้างและระบบบริหารงานบุคคล - that's OK with
>me, 
>but that said it is still a fact that without a transcription I just 
>can't read the stuff...
>

Really? Really? You are going to call someones language stuff and denigrate 
just because you can't read it? 

I stopped reading your email at this point. 

Chris 

> > * 35 really up to date.. t's useful to see the distribution of
>> installed  versions.. the HA stats are fed directly from koha
>installs
> > and as such are automatically kept up to date.
>
>Yes I see that.
>
> > I don't really see what your point was there?
>
>Paul was mentioning that many French libraries are or seem to be 
>outdated - "most libraries are supposed to be in version 2.x [...]
>Other 
>pages are also highly outdated, almost nothing with the current version
>
>numbering schema."
>
>In https://hea.koha-community.org/systempreferences of the
>aformentioned 
>1'693 libraries for even less than 1'140 of them the version number is 
>given. But how representative are these? Comparing just the data from 
>libraries.org (which lists about 5'000 Koha libraries) for example the 
>distribution of countries is:
>
>* USA: 1'772 of 5'000 in Libraries.org / 149 of 1'693 at HEA
>* Turkey: 961 of 5'000 in Libraries.org / 3 of 1'693 at HEA
>* France: 305 of 5'000 in Libraries.org / 133 of 1'693 at HEA
>* Great Britain: 232 of 5'000 in Libraries.org / 31 of 1'693 at HEA
>* Germany: 41 of 5'000 in Libraries.org / 17 of 1'693 at HEA
>
>Now is libraries.org more representative or HEA... or none? To me it 
>seems like some people are using libraries.org, some are using HEA or 
>even both - but most don't use or even want to use anything at all.
>
>As I understand you need at least Koha 3.18 to use HEA even if for some
>
>libraries version numbers like 3.10 or 3.14 are given. Does this mean 
>the other almost 14'000 Koha libraries are not even on Koha 3.18? Of 
>course I can interpret, but since the numbers are not representative at
>
>all, I can just see that out of this unrepresentative sample of 1'693 
>libraries 35 (2%) are really up to date. 35 of 15'000 almost unknwon 
>libraries is even just 0.2%. What does it really mean?
>
>Maybe I'm the wrong person. Maybe someone should write here about his 
>HEA expoerience who is actually using these numbers and explain in
>which 
>way he can make use of these numbers... me, I'm probably just stunned
>by 
>them.
>
>> * It's easier to opt in to HEA than it is to manually add yourself to
> > the wiki pages (if you even know of the existence of the wiki pages)
>
>Sure, I do know that, but still of the estimated 15'000 Koha libraries
>a 
>maximum of 11% have opted to use HEA so far.
>
>But on the other hand if you add yourself in the Koha wiki (or let your
>
>support company add you) you can decide yourself what to add.
>
> > * Clicking through to the library detail page in HEA shows all the
> > information and more doesn't it:
> > https://hea.koha-community.org/libraries/274
>
>Yes, but of course this is only true for the libraries that opt to add 
>themselves to HEA. It seems many libraries don't know about HEA oder 
>they think to have good reasons to not or never add themselves to HEA. 
>Some of these reasons may be:
>
>* data protection - some may consider at least some of the data as
>delicate
>* data security - who knows what data is really submitted? So better 
>don't submit at all
>* the IT department doesn't allow any outside connections
>* exposure is not wanted in any way (for example with company
>libraries, 
>the library of the NSA/KGB, private installations, etc)
>
>I'm not a statistician but I doubt we will ever have what such a giy 
>would call representative data in HEA or anywhere. So I think it is
>good 
>to have ALL available data i. e. including the data in the Koha wiki
>and 
>not deleting them.
>
> > - If there's something
> > missing do feel free to request it's addition.
>
>I do not request anything but I do indicate that the Koha wiki offers 
>also e-mail addresses and names and some other information in the 
>"notes" column. Last but not least, the information in the Koha wiki 
>(unlike to HEA) can be edited by anyone who's got some information. 
>Nothing has to be activated and anyone can do it without asking for 
>permission. You just need an account for the Koha wiki.
>
>Best wishes: Michael
>-- 
>Geschäftsführer · Diplombibliothekar BBS, Informatiker eidg.

Re: [Koha-devel] Koha users wiki page outdated, use HEA

2018-07-09 Thread Michael Kuhn 

Hi Martin

> * 1693 unnamed libraries.. I see lots of names here.. am i missing
> something: https://hea.koha-community.org/libraries ?

Actually I didn't remember https://hea.koha-community.org/libraries - 
thanks for the hint!


However https://hea.koha-community.org/ lists a number of 1'693 
libraries while https://hea.koha-community.org/libraries lists only 
about 1'140 of them by name. Why is that so?


Quite some of them use letters that I just can't read - like مكتبة كلية 
الزراعة or สำนักพัฒนาโครงสร้างและระบบบริหารงานบุคคล - that's OK with me, 
but that said it is still a fact that without a transcription I just 
can't read the stuff...


> * 35 really up to date.. t's useful to see the distribution of
> installed  versions.. the HA stats are fed directly from koha installs
> and as such are automatically kept up to date.

Yes I see that.

> I don't really see what your point was there?

Paul was mentioning that many French libraries are or seem to be 
outdated - "most libraries are supposed to be in version 2.x [...] Other 
pages are also highly outdated, almost nothing with the current version 
numbering schema."


In https://hea.koha-community.org/systempreferences of the aformentioned 
1'693 libraries for even less than 1'140 of them the version number is 
given. But how representative are these? Comparing just the data from 
libraries.org (which lists about 5'000 Koha libraries) for example the 
distribution of countries is:


* USA: 1'772 of 5'000 in Libraries.org / 149 of 1'693 at HEA
* Turkey: 961 of 5'000 in Libraries.org / 3 of 1'693 at HEA
* France: 305 of 5'000 in Libraries.org / 133 of 1'693 at HEA
* Great Britain: 232 of 5'000 in Libraries.org / 31 of 1'693 at HEA
* Germany: 41 of 5'000 in Libraries.org / 17 of 1'693 at HEA

Now is libraries.org more representative or HEA... or none? To me it 
seems like some people are using libraries.org, some are using HEA or 
even both - but most don't use or even want to use anything at all.


As I understand you need at least Koha 3.18 to use HEA even if for some 
libraries version numbers like 3.10 or 3.14 are given. Does this mean 
the other almost 14'000 Koha libraries are not even on Koha 3.18? Of 
course I can interpret, but since the numbers are not representative at 
all, I can just see that out of this unrepresentative sample of 1'693 
libraries 35 (2%) are really up to date. 35 of 15'000 almost unknwon 
libraries is even just 0.2%. What does it really mean?


Maybe I'm the wrong person. Maybe someone should write here about his 
HEA expoerience who is actually using these numbers and explain in which 
way he can make use of these numbers... me, I'm probably just stunned by 
them.


> * It's easier to opt in to HEA than it is to manually add yourself to
> the wiki pages (if you even know of the existence of the wiki pages)

Sure, I do know that, but still of the estimated 15'000 Koha libraries a 
maximum of 11% have opted to use HEA so far.


But on the other hand if you add yourself in the Koha wiki (or let your 
support company add you) you can decide yourself what to add.


> * Clicking through to the library detail page in HEA shows all the
> information and more doesn't it:
> https://hea.koha-community.org/libraries/274

Yes, but of course this is only true for the libraries that opt to add 
themselves to HEA. It seems many libraries don't know about HEA oder 
they think to have good reasons to not or never add themselves to HEA. 
Some of these reasons may be:


* data protection - some may consider at least some of the data as delicate
* data security - who knows what data is really submitted? So better 
don't submit at all

* the IT department doesn't allow any outside connections
* exposure is not wanted in any way (for example with company libraries, 
the library of the NSA/KGB, private installations, etc)


I'm not a statistician but I doubt we will ever have what such a giy 
would call representative data in HEA or anywhere. So I think it is good 
to have ALL available data i. e. including the data in the Koha wiki and 
not deleting them.


> - If there's something
> missing do feel free to request it's addition.

I do not request anything but I do indicate that the Koha wiki offers 
also e-mail addresses and names and some other information in the 
"notes" column. Last but not least, the information in the Koha wiki 
(unlike to HEA) can be edited by anyone who's got some information. 
Nothing has to be activated and anyone can do it without asking for 
permission. You just need an account for the Koha wiki.


Best wishes: Michael
--
Geschäftsführer · Diplombibliothekar BBS, Informatiker eidg. Fachausweis
Admin Kuhn GmbH · Pappelstrasse 20 · 4123 Allschwil · Schweiz
T 0041 (0)61 261 55 61 · E m...@adminkuhn.ch · W www.adminkuhn.ch
___
Koha-devel mailing list
Koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org
http://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-devel
website :

Re: [Koha-devel] Koha users wiki page outdated, use HEA

2018-07-09 Thread Paul Poulain 

Le 09/07/2018 à 09:54, Michael Kuhn a écrit :

Hi Paul

Hi Michael,


> someone pointed me the https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaUsers
> page.

Calling this page says: "There is currently no text in this page."

Probably you meant https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_Users and 
pages like https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaUsers/Europe

right, sorry.


> The French libraries you can see here are so outdated that it's funny:
> most libraries are supposed to be in version 2.x, supported by me (not
> BibLibre. So more than 10 years old data...)
>
> Other pages are also highly outdated, almost nothing with the current
> version numbering schema. And now we have HEA (available since 3.18
> IIRC)

Also in HEA I see there are 1'693 (unnamed) libraries listed, but only 
35 of the area really up to date (meaning working woith Koha 18.05.00 
or 18.05.01). Compared to the assumed 15'000 Koha libraries this is 
only 0.2% of all libraries that we can be sure of they are really up 
to date.
The Koha version provided by HEA is uptodate. It's not HEA's 
responsibility if the library's Koha is not ;) (disclaimer : most of 
BibLibre customers are sending data to HEA, and we're currently 
upgrading them to 17.11, we never deploy the most recent version for 
stability & translation reasons)

Note : we can/should improve HEA rendering of data we collect.

to very SPECIFIC libraries - all of which is missing in HEA since 
https://hea.koha-community.org/ gives just numbers numbers numbers but 
at least I can't imagine how to wisely interpret or use them in most 
cases since I am absolutely sure they are not representative. To me 
personally, the only halfway interesting thing about HEA is the page 
about the use of the system preferences 
https://hea.koha-community.org/systempreferences



I don't understand what you mean here :\

--
Paul Poulain, Associé-gérant / co-owner
BibLibre, Services en logiciels libres pour les bibliothèques
BibLibre, Open Source software and services for libraries

___
Koha-devel mailing list
Koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org
http://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-devel
website : http://www.koha-community.org/
git : http://git.koha-community.org/
bugs : http://bugs.koha-community.org/

Re: [Koha-devel] Koha users wiki page outdated, use HEA

2018-07-09 Thread Martin Renvoize 
Somewhat confused by that comment...

* 1693 unnamed libraries.. I see lots of names here.. am i missing
something: https://hea.koha-community.org/libraries ?
* 35 really up to date.. t's useful to see the distribution of installed
versions.. the HA stats are fed directly from koha installs and as such are
automatically kept up to date. I don't really see what your point was there?
* It's easier to opt in to HEA than it is to manually add yourself to the
wiki pages (if you even know of the existence of the wiki pages)
* Clicking through to the library detail page in HEA shows all the
information and more doesn't it:
https://hea.koha-community.org/libraries/274 - If there's something missing
do feel free to request it's addition.

I would happily agree with Pauls proposed approach myself and I'd love to
see more use of HEA.. perhaps this would act as another little reminder of
HEA's existence and a drive to get more libraries to opt in.

The views expressed here are my own and not the views of the company I work
for.

*Martin Renvoize*

Development Manager




*T:* +44 (0) 1483 378728

*F:* +44 (0) 800 756 6384

*E:* martin.renvo...@ptfs-europe.com

www.ptfs-europe.com







Registered in the United Kingdom No. 06416372   VAT Reg No. 925 7211 30

The information contained in this email message may be privileged,
confidential and protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended
recipient, any dissemination, distribution or copying is strictly
prohibited. If you think that you have received this email message in
error, please email the sender at i...@ptfs-europe.com



On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 at 08:54, Michael Kuhn  wrote:

> Hi Paul
>
>  > someone pointed me the https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaUsers
>  > page.
>
> Calling this page says: "There is currently no text in this page."
>
> Probably you meant https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_Users and
> pages like https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaUsers/Europe
>
>  > The French libraries you can see here are so outdated that it's funny:
>  > most libraries are supposed to be in version 2.x, supported by me (not
>  > BibLibre. So more than 10 years old data...)
>  >
>  > Other pages are also highly outdated, almost nothing with the current
>  > version numbering schema. And now we have HEA (available since 3.18
>  > IIRC)
>
> Also in HEA I see there are 1'693 (unnamed) libraries listed, but only
> 35 of the area really up to date (meaning working woith Koha 18.05.00 or
> 18.05.01). Compared to the assumed 15'000 Koha libraries this is only
> 0.2% of all libraries that we can be sure of they are really up to date.
>
>  > I propose to:
>  >
>  >   * drop an email to all contacts saying "you're the contact for the
>  > wiki page https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaUsers, the
>  > information here is outdated, please activate HEA (<  > explanations about hea>>)"
>  >   * update the wiki pages to add a big warn on top of each, saying
>  > "this page is outdated, see hea.koha-community.org")
>
> Not all information on this page is outdated - only the untended data is
> outdated. I feel personally responsible for some of the data and can
> affirm this data is not outdated.
>
>  > Any objection ?
>
> HEA however doesn't give the same information as the "Koha_Users" pages
> give. The users page shows
>
> * the country
> * the location
> * library type
> * library name (often with URL to the OPAC, most interesting to me - but
> if it's not there I can search for the OPAC URL in Google using the
> library's name)
> * and more information
>
> to very SPECIFIC libraries - all of which is missing in HEA since
> https://hea.koha-community.org/ gives just numbers numbers numbers but
> at least I can't imagine how to wisely interpret or use them in most
> cases since I am absolutely sure they are not representative. To me
> personally, the only halfway interesting thing about HEA is the page
> about the use of the system preferences
> https://hea.koha-community.org/systempreferences
>
> Best wishes: Michael
> --
> Geschäftsführer · Diplombibliothekar BBS, Informatiker eidg. Fachausweis
> Admin Kuhn GmbH · Pappelstrasse 20 · 4123 Allschwil · Schweiz
> T 0041 (0)61 261 55 61 · E m...@adminkuhn.ch · W www.adminkuhn.ch
> ___
> Koha-devel mailing list
> Koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org
> http://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-devel
> website : http://www.koha-community.org/
> git : http://git.koha-community.org/
> bugs : http://bugs.koha-community.org/
___
Koha-devel mailing list
Koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org
http://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-devel
website : http://www.koha-community.org/
git : http://git.koha-community.org/
bugs : http://bugs.koha-community.org/

Re: [Koha-devel] Koha users wiki page outdated, use HEA

2018-07-09 Thread Michael Kuhn 

Hi Paul

> someone pointed me the https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaUsers
> page.

Calling this page says: "There is currently no text in this page."

Probably you meant https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_Users and 
pages like https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaUsers/Europe


> The French libraries you can see here are so outdated that it's funny:
> most libraries are supposed to be in version 2.x, supported by me (not
> BibLibre. So more than 10 years old data...)
>
> Other pages are also highly outdated, almost nothing with the current
> version numbering schema. And now we have HEA (available since 3.18
> IIRC)

Also in HEA I see there are 1'693 (unnamed) libraries listed, but only 
35 of the area really up to date (meaning working woith Koha 18.05.00 or 
18.05.01). Compared to the assumed 15'000 Koha libraries this is only 
0.2% of all libraries that we can be sure of they are really up to date.


> I propose to:
>
>   * drop an email to all contacts saying "you're the contact for the
> wiki page https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaUsers, the
> information here is outdated, please activate HEA (< explanations about hea>>)"
>   * update the wiki pages to add a big warn on top of each, saying
> "this page is outdated, see hea.koha-community.org")

Not all information on this page is outdated - only the untended data is 
outdated. I feel personally responsible for some of the data and can 
affirm this data is not outdated.


> Any objection ?

HEA however doesn't give the same information as the "Koha_Users" pages 
give. The users page shows


* the country
* the location
* library type
* library name (often with URL to the OPAC, most interesting to me - but 
if it's not there I can search for the OPAC URL in Google using the 
library's name)

* and more information

to very SPECIFIC libraries - all of which is missing in HEA since 
https://hea.koha-community.org/ gives just numbers numbers numbers but 
at least I can't imagine how to wisely interpret or use them in most 
cases since I am absolutely sure they are not representative. To me 
personally, the only halfway interesting thing about HEA is the page 
about the use of the system preferences 
https://hea.koha-community.org/systempreferences


Best wishes: Michael
--
Geschäftsführer · Diplombibliothekar BBS, Informatiker eidg. Fachausweis
Admin Kuhn GmbH · Pappelstrasse 20 · 4123 Allschwil · Schweiz
T 0041 (0)61 261 55 61 · E m...@adminkuhn.ch · W www.adminkuhn.ch
___
Koha-devel mailing list
Koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org
http://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-devel
website : http://www.koha-community.org/
git : http://git.koha-community.org/
bugs : http://bugs.koha-community.org/