My carb heat arrangment works like a charm, a 200 rpm drop every time I
apply heat. At the local hardware store I bought a stock piece of steel,
1/16 thick, 1 1/4 wide and cut to 8" long. It is already perforated with 3/8
holes along its lenght. To cover that use a piece of 1 1/2" aluminum or
I forgot to add; perforated strip gets tack welding to the exhaust pipe
first, then fit the outer pipe on.
- Original Message -
From: "patrusso" <patru...@sover.net>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 9:13 AM
Subject: Re
I think you are correct Kevin. I regard my plans as a guide and an
education. In the seventies I could not afford the plans alone so bought
them with a partner. In the eighties we built two planes and in the nineties
another. I acknowledge that the KR plans were a wonderful education and
There is an easy way to get a good scarf,...on the table saw. I thought i
submitted this to the KR newsletter in the seventies so assumed that many
builders may have tried this. First set the table saw blade to the angle
that will give you the scarf size you want. (this works if your plywood
Creo que si hombre! Que necessitas? De donde vivas?
- Original Message -
From: "Quique Alvarez"
To: "KRnet"
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 12:42 PM
Subject: Re: KR> Harbor Freight
> Hola.
>
> Algun constructor de Kr-2S que hable Español?
>
>
Muy bien Serge. Eras un hombre de renacimiento. Espanol, frances y que mas??
Mi problema es que no se si puedo discutir en la idioma de un aviador!
- Original Message -
From: "Serge VIDAL"
To: "KRnet"
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 12:59 PM
Be careful when buying an HVLP gun. Some are sold for use with a compressor
and others for use only with an HVLP blower. I have been using one for years
(blower type) and find it good for all finishes except latex. It just
doesn't atomize latex well enough unless your thin it down so much that
Whats going on here? I posted this search for a smaller engine more that 6
weeks ago and all of a sudden I am getting a flood of replies. Cool, as the
issue never did get totally resolved then. I need to point out tho, that I
am not interested in buying but rather building up my own. Thanks any
Serge
I also would love a copy and am willing to share any expenses incurred
there-in. I am at patru...@sover.net. Thanks
Pat
- Original Message -
From:
To: "'KRnet'"
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 9:20 PM
Subject: RE: KR> A Christmas gift to all
in that. I can hardly use a computer, you know! ; - )
>
> Serge
>
>
>
>
>
> "patrusso" <patru...@sover.net>
>
> Envoyé par : krnet-bounces+serge.vidal=sagem@mylist.net
> 04/01/2006 12:53
> Veuillez répondre à KRnet
> Remis le : 04/01/2006 12:53
&
Chris
My first thought is that the fuel tank should not be thought of as crash
protection. But there it is, right there in front of you on most KRs. A
chain is only as strong as the weakest link so the argument of glass versus
aluminum tanks should focus on the weaker part of the installation
Paul,Where in NH? I am just across the Conn. river, a bit north of
dartmouth. Pat
- Original Message -
From:
To:
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 7:29 PM
Subject: KR> new (recycled) KR builder
> Hello; If you are reading this on Christmas
ance I could stop by for a peek? Thanks. - Tony
>
>
>
>> ---Original Message---
>> From: patrusso <patru...@sover.net>
>> Subject: Re: KR> new (recycled) KR builder
>> Sent: 26 Dec '05 12:32
>>
>> Paul,Where in NH? I am just across the Conn. river, a bit north of
>> dartmouth. Pat
Serge
That's what KR flying is all about for many of us. One giant entertaining
and often exasperating mishap after another. I wonder how we all are still
sane, alive and well! Lifes'a lark, eh?
Pat
> ___
> Search the KRnet Archives at
Anyone out there experiencing lots of condensation on the windscreen,
inside? My arms are not long enough to wipe the screen. A defroster looks
like a practical solution to the cab heat discussion.
- Original Message -
From: "Larry Flesner"
To: "KRnet"
ns:
>
> 1 - Is it symmetrical? (I mean, is it the same on the undersurface of the
> wings?
> 2 - Does that recess also show at the intersection between the spars and
> the ribs, or is it just between two ribs?
>
> Serge Vidal
> KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud"
> Paris, Fra
I am looking for a narrower (smaller in physical size) engine for my single
seat KR. My VW is too wide. I want to streamline the firewall forward to look
more in line with P51, 109 etc. Besides the mazda, what's out there in the
70-80 HP range that is not 2 cycle? Any thoughts out there?
Pat
K
No weep holes. Where would I have put them on the tail surfaces? On the wing
it is not a problem I suppose if all the ribs are vented and there are no
locked in areas.
P
- Original Message -
From: "Keith & Martha Crawford"
To: "KRnet"
Sent:
Gosh, I have the Zenith carb supplied by Great Plains with a spring loaded
choke and never worry about priming! Starts every time without hassle. Old
fashion, isn't it? Throttle forward one third, pull choke and press start
button! Just like my very first car, a '34 plymouth!
GV
Yes and no!! If you already have the plans for a KR1, deal with that. I
would suggest adding two feet to the lenght of the fuselage, putting in a
side stick control so that you could sit directly on the floor to give you
more headroom, You'll have to glass up the floor for strenght and you
Brought my plane back to the house shop for the winter. Temp was twenty two. A
coat of ice over every surface. Canopy cover frozen solid to the surface. The
problem; The foam seems to have shrunk every where on the tail and wing
surfaces. Please note, I used blue and pink styrofam insulation
There is a big difference between "bad language" and vulgarity. Occasionally
a few raw words get by to stress a point or inject a little humor in our
mails, but I would say that you have behaved like a gentleman
thru-outand for the most part, everyone has.
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t; fuel spray over the canopy. Good warning, too! Actually, the wing tanks
> vents are connected to the top of the main tank, so some of the overflow
> goes back to the wings, but the pump pumps fuel faster than it can exit
> through the vent lines.
>
> Serge Vidal
> KR2 "Ki
Dan
Does that mean two different types/sets of plugs? And, are they easily timed
to work together or are you running either/or?
- Original Message -
From: "Dan Heath"
To:
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 6:03 PM
Subject: Re: KR> Electronic Ignition
Forgive me if this sounds stupid, but if one had an extra wide frontal area,
wouldn't you need a bit of lenght to get the prop into clean air? I have
been toying with the idea of a three bladed,..just for looks and wondered if
it were smaller in diameter, would I not lose efficiency? And at
oh my god, I know exactly who she is!
- Original Message -
From: "VIRGIL N SALISBURY"
To:
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 4:02 PM
Subject: Re: KR> MARKS CORVAIR ENGINE
>YES, BUT do not ask her about me, ; ), Virg
>
> On Fri, 18 Nov 2005
I confess that the greatest enjoyment I get from flying is the navigation
part. I am always somewhat thrilled when I plan a cross country trip and
everything works as planned...using visual with charts and E-6B. Such great
fun, but..when I find myself a bit in doubt, my little handheld GPS is a
I have 12 gallons in the header tank and two five gallon wing tanks. Why are
you restricted to 8 gals in the header tank? I do have a fuel pump to move
fuel from wing to upper tank, then gravity feed from there. Steve Bennet
strongly suggested I install a fuel pump from header tank to carb, but
Today is the big day, moving another project to the airport. An Horizon two,
quite modified to look more like an 80% scale L-19. Interesting story with
this one. My partner on this project is an 85 year old who is legally
blind. A veteran of three wars, retired from the military. He was
Well I don't think this justifies "kicking you off the list," but I so wish
that we could stick to experimental aircraft instead of using this forum to
express what-ever sentiments one has concerning current affairs.
- Original Message -
From: "Steve Bray"
To:
Rich
am occasionaly in Peterborough to visit aunt in law Joan Brewster on Cheney
Ave. How far along is your project?
Pat
- Original Message -
From: "rparker"
To:
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 7:42 AM
Subject: KR> re: Fuel pump backup
>
Damn, I joined the Marines 50 (FIFTY) years ago. Don't remind me of my age.
I am getting forgetful, but still remember vividly that I am 1554579 and
spent 4 years, six months, thirteen days and 8 hours. Was counting the days
to discharge?, you bet! I was in Marine airwing, electronic tech and
While we are on the subject of wireing, I screwed a 1/8x1'' piece of
aluminum along the inside of the fuselage from tail to firewall via one of
the bolts holding the engine mount. It seems to work just fine for a common
ground but I wonder if it is kosher. My battery is behind the seat,
That really wasn't a loop. Looked to me like a parabola performed to achieve
a brief moment of weightlessness
Now i know why they call it a doggy bag
Cristiano..are you still logged on?
Nice! Lots off possibilities there, warning lights, horns, etc..even
correlate with a retract system.
- Original Message -
From: "harold woods"
To:
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 11:11 PM
Subject: KR> more accurate distance of wheels above
vailable. One of us will have your post
>> translated, then repost it.
>>
>> Jeff Scott
>> N1213W
>>
>> On Mon, 7 Nov 2005 23:50:20 +0100 "Cris." <flyi...@gmail.com> writes:
>> > Oh, well, I forgot (kidding): saturday morning... my fir
Accurate as hell. Ask your local auto parts store who the local race car
builders are. Call one of them and borrow or rent from them. This is what I
did. The fellow was curious enough to bring the scales to me and help with
the weighing. One scale uinder each wheel. The process is so easy that
Roy
If it's stored in a dry area, don't do any thing to it. Wait until the plane
is assembled as you will be glassing so much to the fuselage, turtle deck,
wings, forward deck, etc. Perhaps in the interior, if it is complete, you
may varnishbefore installing upper parts. Just avoid
Ditto on Larrys comments. As soon as the snow flies, the plane goes back to
the shop for a speed brake. I have already had a mishap that ALMOST
convinced me to trade the darn thing for a sail boat.
- Original Message -
From: "Larry Flesner"
To: "KRnet"
Ron
Yes, yes , yes. Brush on a light coat of spar varnish on that spar area.
Next day or several hours later, sand lightly and brush on a second coat and
attach the WAFs' dipping each bolt in the can of spar varnish before sliding
into place. I assume the WAFs have been primed and painted. You
John
Right on. Been doing this for decades to get that solid deep finish on
furniture. On soft wood I generally do a 50-50 thinning for thr first coat,
a 25% cut on the second coat and then my full strenght coats atop this. On
hardwoods, a 50-50 coat then move directly to full strenght. For
Cris
Fir, pine and mahogany will work just fine in place of spruce on most of
the construction. I personally used all three of these woods on different
aircraft except the main spar. On the main spar I used good quality straight
grained spruce on my first two KR's, on the third KR, I used
Good point Peter. We were discussing the area directly under the WAF. For
sticking foam to wood, the wood must first be coated. My procedure is to
brush on a coat of resin where the foam will be attached, use your squeegee
to remove all but the lightest coat, putting the excess back into the
One LAST wordL-I-B-E-R-T-A-R-I-A-N!
- Original Message Libritarion
Who better to answer your questions than REVMASTER? It is their product,
reputation and they should know the best way to treat their engine. From us,
you'll get twenty different opinions.
- Original Message -
From: "Fred Lowerre"
To:
Sent: Friday,
Great info from both of you,...but whoa...are you equiped with speed brake
or flaps? I have neither. Can I still follow your advice. 1500 RPMs, my
plane wants to keep flying.
- Original Message -
From: "Ed Janssen"
To: "KRnet"
Sent: Friday,
D
Fuselage uncovered.
Pat
- Original Message -
From: "Dennis Mingear" <dennisming...@yahoo.com>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: KR> steel tube fuselages
> Was that covered or uncovered Pat?
&
I have forgotten what my KR fuselage weighed, but my son is building a
cassutt and the steel fuselage weighed in at 45 lbs.
- Original Message -
From: "Dennis Mingear"
To: "KRnet"
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 1:39 PM
Subject: Re: KR> steel
am interested as well. I do not have hangar space and my KR leaks a lot of
water into it via the elevator junction. Had to drill drain holes in each
bay at the belly of the plane.
- Original Message -
From: "Robert L. Stone"
To: "KRnet"
Sent:
Good lord Scott, I hav'nt used a steel blade in years! Carbide by all means.
Occasionally I will get a request for melamine or laminate (plastic and
plywood) cabinets. There are 80 tooth blades that are ground specifically
for different materialsand for the 60 tooth blades as well. A 60
Which brings to mind the editing of the archives. I suggested the use of a
certain tail wheel that I had modest success with on a grass strip. When I
moved to a paved runway, the wheel disintegrtated. I tried three more wheels
and they also broke. I am truly sorry if I influenced anyone else
Ya know Mark, some of us may finally use that info you researched on
tailwheels. But, initially there is that brush with creativity that all of
us builders get afflicted with. We love to EXPERIMENT. It may not always end
as we wish but it is always fun!
Pat
- Original Message -
From:
Dene
Can you share the how to build and tuck the nose wheel bit with us?
Pat
- Original Message -
> I will wimp out and fit mine with a "training wheel" but nobody will know
> anyway. It will be tucked away inside the fuz in flight with the mains.
>
Jeff
It may be a bit more than just "checking the tire pressure". It might mean
running much less pressure than is called for, sacrificing some tire
lifeand you may find that acceptable. I know of two instance where
reducing tire pressure immediately eliminated shimmy.
-Pat
Original
H, I'd second that one
- Original Message -
From: "Colin & Bev Rainey"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 12:04 AM
Subject: KR> Like Nascar and Football/Baseball
> Not to upset anyone, but I have been thinking for a while that we should
>
I think it best to keep the table as long as the fuselage sides How long are
the KRS sides? I have the old KR plans, don't recall how long my table was.
...but thought I did a 3'x12' table. Particle board is as durable as you
need and it is much cheaper. I remember putting two coats of white
Nix on the brad nailer! Put yours gussets in place. Have a bunch of tongue
depressers on hand, (cut a bunch up from any scrap wood), hold the gusset in
place by clamping (clothes pin type spring clamp) the depresser against
gusset and the longeron or upright. You will find these clamps at many
A
Have you considered a KR2 narrowed down to a single seat. I did that and
love the extra room.or even the KR2S
Pat
- Original Message -
From: "The Strattons"
To:
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 12:12 AM
Subject: KR> KR-1 Plans needed
>
Larry
That's a tough one. I think you are better off starting over.
Pat
- Original Message -
From: "L. D. Mueller"
To: "KRnet"
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 4:23 PM
Subject: KR> How to widen and KR2
> Help! I just bought the KR2S that was on
OOH la la those italians!! Cris, next time you are there, catch some detail
on the tail wheel. I need to redesign mine and am looking for ideas. Also,
there is a handle between the seatsI assume for a speed break as I see
no flaps.
Pat
- Original Message -
From: "Cris."
D plus,...well, maybe a C. You pass the test!
- Original Message -
From:
To:
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 10:46 AM
Subject: KR> TEST
>
> ___
> Search the KRnet Archives at
Tony
I would suggest that you read the plans and follow the building sequence as
printed. You do not have to build everything from scratch if you are willing
to pay more money for the pre molded parts or machined parts. If you build
all from scratch it will be easier to modify the airplane to
- Original Message -
From: "Brant Hollensbe"
To: "KRnet"
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 6:08 PM
Subject: Re: KR> Fly in coordinates
>
>
>> Could someone please post the lat/longs of the Mount Vernon Fly In. I'm
>> curious to find out how
My type 4 VW, single electronic ignition, ...184lbs...with starter and
acessory case. I'll bet that I am not getting more than 70 HP.
Pat
- Original Message -
From: "Cris."
To: "KRnet"
Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 9:37 AM
Subject: KR> Weight
>
Karl
What other KR web sites are there?
Your questions regarding wing dimensions have much to do with the type of
wing (airfoil) builders have opted for...and or changes to the RAF 48 called
for on the plans. (At least on my old plans). I could increase the lift on
my plane by increasing wing
Damn. I'm unable to attend. Can.t you just send me a pint of the rootbeer?
- Original Message -
From:
To:
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 11:45 AM
Subject: KR> beverage for gathering
> Netters
> I have planned on getting the beverage for the
I use a small piece of hardwood, cut to fit at the main spar wing attach
fitting so that it does not slide to or fro and it has a small indentation
to receive the end of my pump jack.
- Original Message -
From: "Carol & Weldon Jennings"
To: "KRnet"
Brian
There's a story there and I"m all ears, or eyes in this case!!
Pat
- You can disagree with me, but this is something
> that I know and I learned the hard way.
>
> Brian Kraut
> Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
Interesting. I have taken every flight report I could find, from 1980 to
present and where reported, CHT is averaging about 350 deg. They do not
mention the kind of sensor used or it's location which I am sure will have
some effect.
- Original Message -
From: "Dan Heath"
James
Many of the auto finishes are genoursely cut with thinner or reducers and
catalysts, so a gallon may go a lot further than you would imagine.
Especially if you are using an HVLP gun which is about 70-80% efficient as
opposed to compressor type guns operating at 35%. Hey, if you run out
Cris
Wow! A vacation in Italy!! Other important reading is every KR newsletter
and internet comment you can get hold of. Decide now on your landing gear
type, engine, air foil, any changes in width, lenght and canopy height and
especially access to the many things you may have to repair or
Dubi
You are correct on all counts. Other hints are: A-Using peel ply will leave
a smoother finish with less sanding later on. B-If you are using urethane
foam, wipe down the cured glass with a lightly dampened (with denatured
alcohol) cloth to remove the waxy residue that epoxy generates in
Cris
RAF 48,...stay with it. ..if that is still what the plans call for.
- Original Message -
From: "Cris."
What ever epoxy you are using to glass your parts will work. I use west
system epoxy. Mix up a bit in a cup, brush on a clear coat on the wood, then
mix the remaining epoxy left in the cup with micro spheres, brush that onto
the foam and join the parts. I have had little luck with hot melt
Colin
Great explanation, darn helpful knowledge, thanks!
Pat
- Original Message -
From: "Colin & Bev Rainey"
To:
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 10:08 PM
Subject: KR> Intake manifold
> Recently I have taken the position to allow others to comment
Sadly,...remove Pat Russo from the list. I am having so many minor mishaps
and necessary tweeking,..trying to fly off the initial time that I am not
quite bold enough to make the Vermont to Illinois flight. I shall be better
prepared next year, promise!
- Original Message -
From: "Mark
All
Torque values for prop bolts are what?
Pat
Pat
Yellow pages for marine grade plywoods. Many local lumber yards that supply
the marine, cabinet and furniture shops with supplies will have just what
you need or order it for you.
Pat
- Original Message -
From:
To: "KR Net"
Sent: Monday,
Whoa! I am one of those guys who finds the building experience as equally
exciting as the flying. And judging from the info in the archives and the
net pictures, I would bet that there are many of us who when finally
finishing our projects need to begin another. I am on my fifth!!
-
Hey guys, that's my daughter! Cut it out!
- Original Message -
From: "Dan Heath"
To:
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 3:41 PM
Subject: Re: KR> Oshkosh photo
>I doubt it. Where have you been? Too minnie daze.
>
> See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR
Harold
Have you tried using West system with the ratio pumps? So easy,.. you'll
never look back!
- Original Message -
From: "haroldwoods"
To:
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 1:22 PM
Subject: KR> epoxy pumps.
> Hi Netters.
> For those that measure
Sorry guys for the lenght of this answer and the delay. Had to discuss it
with my son as I stole the info from him (his book). Feel free to buy it!
Pat
>
> TIG and oxyacetylene are the methods used in certified aircraft repair and
> by homebuilders for a few reasons. Note that different
Pete
Gotta agree with larry on this one, but I have another question; why bother
to decrease the lenght of the outer panels? A little extra lift wont hurt.
Would the accompanying drag more than off set this?
Pat
- Original Message -
From: "larry flesner"
To:
Ron
Experimental is both an adjective and a verb in the KR building experience.
I CAN use materials just laying about if I am willing to experiment. My
spruce is home grown here in Vermont, not sitka. My foam is from the local
lumber yard, blue construction material, my plywood and resin came
Is the original message from Chris or Joe?
1.8 dacron over the plywood??? I don't get it. Wouldn't you still have to
seal and prime the plywood? Moisture could trap between dacron and plywood
otherwise developing rot. And doesn't dacron require several coats of
nitrate then several coats of
Lord. I've already forgotten the darn date, and I am still planning on being
there...if I can get the forty TROUBLE FREE hours flown off,
Pat
- Original Message -
From:
To: "KR Net"
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 9:13 AM
Subject: KR> Gathering
Don
Where are you? Sad tale indeed. It happened to me this year as well. Thanks
that it was just an engine, but with all the ascessories. Almost every part
was shot or very out dated. including engine. I purchased thru one of
the KR netters so thought that since he was one of the gang so
S
Not a problem! Drilling smalll holes thru the hollow section will not affect
the strenght measureably. I have my wing tank fuel lines going thru the
hollow section. See page 141 of the wicks catalog if you have one. I used
rubber grommets where the lines go thru the plywood,.less than 50
Serge
Had'nt thought of that one. I think it's a good idea
Pat
- Original Message -
From: "Serge VIDAL"
To: "KRnet"
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 12:51 PM
Subject: Réf. : KR> Having a washer under the head
> During an annual, my inpector insisted
Serge
I've got the same engine. I attached a small scoop over the cooler and it
did make a difference of about 10 degrees. It did however block some of the
air flow over the cylinders, but it didn't seem to affect my CHT noticeably.
It was an experiment and I removed the scoop later simply
Serge
I'm not sure what the right thing to do is. I simply set guide lines for
myself as regards to oil temp based on 20 years of reading the news letters
and what VW manuels dictate. My type 4 is stock, straight from the car,
single ignition. My question in reply to your statement is; what is
Steve
Staples, staple and staples. Want to be assued of a good bond, uniform
pressue on the glue lines?, staples are the way to go. It's a pain to remove
them later but ya get used to it!
Pat
- Original Message -
From: "Steven Phillabaum"
To:
Gav
A clue?? Think about the principal of the lever. The longer it is, the
easier to move that obstacle or the shorter it is, the more effort will be
required. The lycs and the continentals have a larger lever!
Pat R
- Original Message -
From: "Gavin and Louise"
et" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: KR> (no subject)
> doyou have the ign coils or the generater at all
> p
> ----- Original Message -
> From: "patrusso" <patru...@sover.net>
> To: "KRnet" <kr.
Jeff
When I do my next KR (my 4th) I will extend my canopy frame rearwards14-18
inches so that when I opened the canopy,... part of the turtle deck would
come up with it, laying visible a built in luggage area and easy access to
the battery which in my case is behind the seatand the turn
Welcome to the sanitorium!
If you're short on cash, I would recomend VW for power, build it up yourself
with parts and advice from GPAS. The type 4 was an easy conversion for me, a
relatively inexperienced mechanic. Before starting anything, give Steve at
GPAS a call and see what his experience
Netters
Looking for a sonerai 2 canopy, used if possible, light defects okay. Punched
in used aircraft parts on Google, got a list of 3,200,000
possibilities,...don't wanna go there!
Pat at patru...@sover.net
Jeff
Sounds okay. If in doubt, add a couple of 1/4 by 1 inch stringers or 1/8 by
3/4 hardware store aluminum on the inside and run a 2" wide carbon strip
(tape) over those. You
could also use insulation foam as your mold, with stringers imbedded in,
glass over and then melt the foam out with a
These are all real simple problems that many of us have dealt with and
answers will be found in the archives. Good luck on the project and if you
fail to get the info you need, post again and we'll help deal with the
issues as they arise. Are you new to this plane and is it or has it flown?
Joe
How much did that staples scale cost?
Pat
- Original Message -
From: "Joseph H Horton"
To:
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 8:34 AM
Subject: KR> Re:N357CJ update
> Guy's
>I finally got the plane to the airport this week, which is a
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