KR> FREE Food

[Steven Eberhart]

I thought that would get your attention :-)

Our EAA Chapter is pleased to announce the opening of EAA 21 Club.  We 
will be preparing Hamburgers, Brats and Hot Dogs for all that fly-in.  
Just as New York's 21 Club has become known as the HAPPENING PLACE to be 
and be seen,  EAA 21 Club is the place to be on the first Saturday (with 
a couple of exceptions) each month.

When:   April 3, May 1, June 5, July 10, August 14, September 4, October 2

 10:00 AM till 2:00 PM Central time

Where:  Henderson Kentucky City-County Airport (KEHR)

If KEHR is VFR then we are grilling the best gourmet hamburgers, brats 
and hot dogs this side of Sporty's for all that fly or drive in..

Steve Eberhart
Program Chairman
EAA Chapter 21
Evansvile, IN

KR> Sun N Fun

[jg7...@mindspring.com]

Mike,
 Ill be there from Sunday - Saturday I would love for the KR net heads to
get together for some liquid libation. We will be camping on the field. 
I'll give you a call or you and anyone else there can call me . My cell is
803-308-0791.
John Godwin

> Subject: KR> Sun N Fun
>
>
> Well guys, It's that time of year again. It looks like I'll be spending
the whole week at Sun N Fun. We will arrive around lunch on Monday the 12th
and leave Saturday mourning for the drive home. Will there be any KRnet
guys making the trek this year and if so will there be an after hours
meeting at one of the finer establishments(watering hole)  ? Would be nice
to see some familiar faces.

KR> tri gear and taildragger

[phillip matheson]

Well said Mark,
I fly a nose dragger, as I do not have a tail wheel endorsement as yet.
But I have been in some bad ( strong) X wind landing in the KR, as my home 
strip has only one runway.
The nose wheel set up handles them very well.


Phil Matheson
SAAA Ch 20
www.phils...@50megs.com
- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Langford" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 2:01 AM
Subject: Re: KR> tri gear and taildragger


KRnetHeads,

Just because there has to be one in every crowd, almost all of my landings
are 3 point.  That's mainly because of my short strip, and I can't afford to
touch down 10 mph faster and burn up all that runway, even with my split
flaps.  No, the KR can't do a full stall landing, but it really doesn't have
to.  When you slow it down, it drops.  You just have to time it so it isn't
dropping really fast when you arrive at the touchdown point.   Whether the
nose is way up in the air or not is immaterial, and the speed difference
between "almost stalled" and "full stall" is not large.  I like to three
point mine because when you hit the ground, you're done flying.  No more
excursions back into the air with reduced control effectiveness...all you
have to do is steer, which is easy.  Maybe I'm just thick, but I've not seen
any of the scary stuff that I keep hearing about tailwheel airplanes.  Troy
Petteway once told me that the KR is the best behaved tailwheel plane on the
planet, and although I've only flown a few others, I suspect he's right
about that.

The main reason I built a tailwheel version is because I fly to my father's
grass strip often, and I wanted that extra 10-12 mph speed, the improved
efficiency that goes with that, the special (and often restrictive) engine
mount, and the $400 savings  (and maintenance hassles) over the nose wheel.
I can't argue that the tri-gear isn't easier to land (purely from the
physics of a self-stabilizing design), improved taxi visibility, and I think
they even look a more substantial airplane (which might help to get your
wife in there).  I'm not going to give anybody a hard time about deciding to
go with tri-gear.  It's like most things in life, a trade-off situation
where intelligent decisions are deliberated based on one's personal
preferences and situation.  Having said that, when I build another one it'll
definitely be a taildragger...

Mark Langford
N56ML "at" hiwaay.net
website at http://www.N56ML.com
 


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KR> tri gear and taildragger

[mark wood]

Well guys, I'm going to sign off from this forum. It is nice but I'm  
not sure this is the place for me.


On Mar 28, 2010, at 11:49 AM, Dj Merrill wrote:

> On 3/28/2010 8:50 AM, Randy Smith wrote:
>> And I bet it made him feel good too.  Answer 1 question why put a  
>> nosegear on it?
>
>   Easier, safer, cheaper insurance, and increased sale opportunities
> (there are more younger standard tricycle gear pilots than there are
> taildragger pilots these days, which is who would be buying it if you
> had to sell it).
>
>   The only downside I can see to a tricycle gear setup is a very slight
> decrease in the top end speed (maybe 5 kts?).
>
>   Overall, the pros of the tricycle gear setup outweigh the cons.  I
> think most people go with a taildragger simply because they want  
> to, not
> because it makes any sense to do so.  Nothing wrong with that, as  
> it is
> one of the reasons why we are involved in experimental aviation.
>
>   The simple fact is, you only spend a very small fraction of each  
> flight
> on the ground, which is where there is any real substantial difference
> between a tricycle and a taildragger.  Once you are in the air,  
> there is
> effectively no difference between the two.
>
>   If only a small fraction of the time it makes any difference (when in
> the flare and on the ground), from my perspective, why wouldn't you  
> want
> to have the safest KR that you can, which implies tricycle gear?
>
> -Dj
>
> -- 
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> sportsman/
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KR> Sun N Fun

[MICHAEL SYLVESTER]

Well guys, It's that time of year again. It looks like I'll be spending the 
whole week at Sun N Fun. We will arrive around lunch on Monday the 12th and 
leave Saturday mourning for the drive home. Will there be any KRnet guys making 
the trek this year and if so will there be an after hours meeting at one of the 
finer establishments(watering hole)  ? Would be nice to see some familiar faces.

Mike Sylvester 
kr2s builder 
Birmingham,AL.

Cell no.205-966-3854


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KR> tri gear and taildragger

[Dj Merrill]

On 3/28/2010 8:50 AM, Randy Smith wrote:
> And I bet it made him feel good too.  Answer 1 question why put a nosegear on 
> it?   

Easier, safer, cheaper insurance, and increased sale opportunities
(there are more younger standard tricycle gear pilots than there are
taildragger pilots these days, which is who would be buying it if you
had to sell it).

The only downside I can see to a tricycle gear setup is a very slight
decrease in the top end speed (maybe 5 kts?).

Overall, the pros of the tricycle gear setup outweigh the cons.  I
think most people go with a taildragger simply because they want to, not
because it makes any sense to do so.  Nothing wrong with that, as it is
one of the reasons why we are involved in experimental aviation.

The simple fact is, you only spend a very small fraction of each flight
on the ground, which is where there is any real substantial difference
between a tricycle and a taildragger.  Once you are in the air, there is
effectively no difference between the two.

If only a small fraction of the time it makes any difference (when in
the flare and on the ground), from my perspective, why wouldn't you want
to have the safest KR that you can, which implies tricycle gear?

-Dj

-- 
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Grumman Yankee Driver N9870L - http://deej.net/yankee/

KR> (no subject)

[Patrick Driscoll]

To  end this argument over TD and NG, I'd like to point out that almost all 
of the NG drivers I have seen, land their aircraft with a very nose high 
attitude. My last bi-annual was very good with the exception that my 
instructor made me go around again and land with the nose much higher than 
on the first one. (this was in a Piper Cherokee). I am a pilot with 53 years 
of flying and did most of it in TD'ers. Even the NG people land the same as 
TD'ers
Patrick Driscoll
Saint Paul, MN
patric...@usfamily.net

If you can read this, Thank a teacher
If you are reading this in English, thank a veteran 

KR> (no subject)

[Bobby Murty]

Thank you Mark.. It doesn't matter whether it's a KR, A bellanca 
Viking, or a DC8, it needs to be  "done flying" at touch down.   Bobby

KR> tri gear and taildragger

[Mark Langford]

KRnetHeads,

Just because there has to be one in every crowd, almost all of my landings 
are 3 point.  That's mainly because of my short strip, and I can't afford to 
touch down 10 mph faster and burn up all that runway, even with my split 
flaps.  No, the KR can't do a full stall landing, but it really doesn't have 
to.  When you slow it down, it drops.  You just have to time it so it isn't 
dropping really fast when you arrive at the touchdown point.   Whether the 
nose is way up in the air or not is immaterial, and the speed difference 
between "almost stalled" and "full stall" is not large.  I like to three 
point mine because when you hit the ground, you're done flying.  No more 
excursions back into the air with reduced control effectiveness...all you 
have to do is steer, which is easy.  Maybe I'm just thick, but I've not seen 
any of the scary stuff that I keep hearing about tailwheel airplanes.  Troy 
Petteway once told me that the KR is the best behaved tailwheel plane on the 
planet, and although I've only flown a few others, I suspect he's right 
about that.

The main reason I built a tailwheel version is because I fly to my father's 
grass strip often, and I wanted that extra 10-12 mph speed, the improved 
efficiency that goes with that, the special (and often restrictive) engine 
mount, and the $400 savings  (and maintenance hassles) over the nose wheel. 
I can't argue that the tri-gear isn't easier to land (purely from the 
physics of a self-stabilizing design), improved taxi visibility, and I think 
they even look a more substantial airplane (which might help to get your 
wife in there).  I'm not going to give anybody a hard time about deciding to 
go with tri-gear.  It's like most things in life, a trade-off situation 
where intelligent decisions are deliberated based on one's personal 
preferences and situation.  Having said that, when I build another one it'll 
definitely be a taildragger...

Mark Langford
N56ML "at" hiwaay.net
website at http://www.N56ML.com
 

KR> tri gear and taildragger

[Dan Heath]

I have a fairly stock KR2 with a Diehl fixed conventional gear, and will not
say that it is "impossible", just not "predictable".  I have done it once,
but could never repeat it.  Wheel landings feel more safe anyway.  The stall
speed seems to vary on each KR, as you would expect with the weight and wing
variances.

See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics 
See you at the 2010 - KR Gathering in Richmond, Ky - I39
There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for Flying
has begun.
Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC


-Original Message-

I have the impression it is not possible to achieve a full stall landing in
a TD KR2 
(remember, mine is not a S version). Can anyone elaborate on this? Thanks.

KR> tri gear and taildragger

[Glenn Martin]

I have been reading the Tri vs TD posts. I am particularly interested in 
knowing more about the stall speed and behavior of the KR2 and KR2S in 
this configuration. From what I have read so far , I have the impression 
it is not possible to achieve a full stall landing in a TD KR2 
(remember, mine is not a S version). Can anyone elaborate on this? Thanks.

-- 
Glenn Martin
Owner
KR2 N1333A
Biloxi, MS, 39532
rep...@martekmississippi.com

KR> tri gear and taildragger update.......

[Dan Heath]

Randy,

Your KR may have been different than most.  Wheel landings are the preferred
method for landing a KR, and that may be because the fixed gear puts the
angle of attack a bit higher than it would be on the retract gear, for which
the plane was designed.  I hope that new pilots don't read this and think
that 3 point is the way to go, because it is the exception rather than the
rule.

Please read this from Jim Faughn.

http://www.jfaughn.com/other/kr/uniquepartsofmykr/kr_landing.html


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See you at the 2010 - KR Gathering in Richmond, Ky - I39
There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for Flying
has begun.
Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC


-Original Message-
From: krnet-bounces+danrh=windstream@mylist.net
[mailto:krnet-bounces+danrh=windstream@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Randy
Smith
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 9:02 AM
To: KRnet
Subject: Re: KR> tri gear and taildragger update...

It is surprising how many people do not land 3 point I had over 600 hrs on
my KR before I sold it and I bet 95% of the landings where 3 point. I have a
47 Bellanca that all my landings are 3 point.
I believe it is what you are comfortable with. 

KR> tri gear and taildragger update.......

[mark wood]

All kidding aside. This is a true statement. I've made a good living  
teaching tailwheel to guys and it boils down to what you are  
comfortable with. The reality is that most tailwheel airplanes aren't  
really harder than nose gear planes but are terribly unforgiving of  
error and neglect. I can't personally attest for the KR however most  
TW equipped airplanes are better behaved with the TW firm to the  
ground. Especially high powered short coupled ones light the Pitts.  
The biggest issues I see here are your comfort level and the drag  
benefit. If you aren't comfortable with a TW no amount of convincing  
or training is going to work. However, if you can get over that then  
the drag benefit you get using a TW is probably worth it.

On Mar 28, 2010, at 8:02 AM, Randy Smith wrote:

> It is surprising how many people do not land 3 point I had over 600  
> hrs on my KR before I sold it and I bet 95% of the landings where 3  
> point. I have a 47 Bellanca that all my landings are 3 point.
> I believe it is what you are comfortable with.
> --- On Sat, 3/27/10, Lee Van Dyke  wrote:
>
>
> From: Lee Van Dyke 
> Subject: Re: KR> tri gear and taildragger update...
> To: "KRnet" 
> Date: Saturday, March 27, 2010, 7:37 PM
>
>
> I have a taildragger, and I have landed in a 3 point twice, I said  
> that I
> would never do that again until last SAT,,, I will say it  
> again, I will
> never do that again.  period.  I have to fly a tric gear tommorow  
> and I just
> wanted to know what to look for.  THANK YOU JIM SELLERS.  and Mark  
> Jones you
> are just wrong on so many levels.  The biggest thing that I have  
> noticed is
> taxiing.  with a tail wheel you can steer.  Now that the brakes  
> have been
> bled and work better, so is my taxiing.  I have to learn how to T/O  
> and land
> this plane and deliver it to MN.  all in that same weekend.
>
> Thank you for all the input.
>
> Lee Van Dyke
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 10:42 PM
> Subject: KR> tri gear and taildragger
>
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KR> tri gear and taildragger update.......

[Randy Smith]

It is surprising how many people do not land 3 point I had over 600 hrs on my 
KR before I sold it and I bet 95% of the landings where 3 point. I have a 47 
Bellanca that all my landings are 3 point.
I believe it is what you are comfortable with. 
--- On Sat, 3/27/10, Lee Van Dyke  wrote:


From: Lee Van Dyke 
Subject: Re: KR> tri gear and taildragger update...
To: "KRnet" 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Saturday, March 27, 2010, 7:37 PM


I have a taildragger, and I have landed in a 3 point twice, I said that I 
would never do that again until last SAT,,, I will say it again, I will 
never do that again.  period.  I have to fly a tric gear tommorow and I just 
wanted to know what to look for.  THANK YOU JIM SELLERS.  and Mark Jones you 
are just wrong on so many levels.  The biggest thing that I have noticed is 
taxiing.  with a tail wheel you can steer.  Now that the brakes have been 
bled and work better, so is my taxiing.  I have to learn how to T/O and land 
this plane and deliver it to MN.  all in that same weekend.

Thank you for all the input.

Lee Van Dyke


- Original Message - 
From: 
To: 
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 10:42 PM
Subject: KR> tri gear and taildragger

KR> tri gear and taildragger

[Randy Smith]

And I bet it made him feel good too.  Answer 1 question why put a nosegear on 
it?   (makes it easier to land , A Kids plane)

--- On Sat, 3/27/10, Mark Jones  wrote:


From: Mark Jones 
Subject: Re: KR> tri gear and taildragger
To: "KRnet" 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Saturday, March 27, 2010, 9:50 AM


>One's a "real man's" airplane and the other has a training wheel on
>the front..

Bullcrap ! You guys crack me up. I seen a dog doing a little 
taildragging the other day.


Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Stevens Point, WI
E-mail: flyk...@charter.net
Web: www.flykr2s.com



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