KR> Electric Artificial Horizon

[laser...@juno.com]

> Maybe it's time for a little glass in my cockpit...

There's still no bids on the TruTrak ADI below.  It's well worth $600 or
a bit more.  I'd go as high as $800 for one that's been treated as nicely
as this one appears to have been treated.  Actually, I don't think anyone
buys expensive electronics and abuses them.  

This one is 3 1/8" and will exactly fit your T empty space.

Item number:  260773310655

Mike
KSEE

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KR> kr props inc 52x48 for sale

[laser...@juno.com]

> this is great cruise prop 

I know prop numbers don't exactly correspond between differing
manufacturers but it's hard to imagine someone's numbers are so far off
that 48" pitch would be considered a good cruise prop.  The Sterba 52 x
52 I just sent back to Ed for refinshing will turn a 2180 at 3550 RPM
WOT.  That's hardly cruise.  I'd think with a 52 x 48 you'd be turning
that same engine somewhere near 4000 RPM.  That would be excellent for
getting out of a 300 foot grass strip with trees at the end, but not so
good for going anywhere.  

Mike
KSEE





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KR> question about landing

[Vaughan Thomas]

an interesting question Noah. I'v wondered what the length of strip is 
needed for landing upwind & downwind (if necesary) with no braking 
available? any answers team?
- Original Message - 
From: "Noah Visel" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 2:38 PM
Subject: KR> question about landing


Hey guys new to the group/flying/kr's Haven t even built my plane yet so I'm
years off from this, but I have decided to take the plunge. the question I
have is this. Don't get me wrong here, I am WELL aware that I am nowhere
near even thinking about landing right now none the less in a smaller field.
I had however want to fly the plane from, and land at my home. The only
problem is that I only have 875 ft usable field with trees at one side, and
a fence at the other. Is this ling enough to land in? I don't want to get
myself into a situation where If I had something happen, I have no outs, but
I also cant talk the neighbor out of his land quite yet :).  Thanks for the
help ahead of time
Noah
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KR> question about landing

[Ronald Wright]

Wrong airplane for your field.  Way to short.  You will need an ultralight 
to take off and land in this field.
 
Ron

--- On Mon, 4/25/11, Noah Visel  wrote:


From: Noah Visel 
Subject: KR> question about landing
To: "KRnet" 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Monday, April 25, 2011, 9:38 PM


Hey guys new to the group/flying/kr's Haven t even built my plane yet so I'm
years off from this, but I have decided to take the plunge. the question I
have is this. Don't get me wrong here, I am WELL aware that I am nowhere
near even thinking about landing right now none the less in a smaller field.
I had however want to fly the plane from, and land at my home. The only
problem is that I only have 875 ft usable field with trees at one side, and
a fence at the other. Is this ling enough to land in? I don't want to get
myself into a situation where If I had something happen, I have no outs, but
I also cant talk the neighbor out of his land quite yet :).  Thanks for the
help ahead of time
Noah
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KR> KR-2S for sale

[RUSS HOUCK]

What is your off list contact info?Pappy

--- On Mon, 4/25/11, John Godwin  wrote:

From: John Godwin 
Subject: KR> KR-2S for sale
To: "KRnet" 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Monday, April 25, 2011, 8:34 AM

Just to let everyone know, the pictures on my web site are out of date if 
anyone needs updated photos email me off list 
 John Godwin

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KR> question about landing

[Noah Visel]

Hey guys new to the group/flying/kr's Haven t even built my plane yet so I'm
years off from this, but I have decided to take the plunge. the question I
have is this. Don't get me wrong here, I am WELL aware that I am nowhere
near even thinking about landing right now none the less in a smaller field.
I had however want to fly the plane from, and land at my home. The only
problem is that I only have 875 ft usable field with trees at one side, and
a fence at the other. Is this ling enough to land in? I don't want to get
myself into a situation where If I had something happen, I have no outs, but
I also cant talk the neighbor out of his land quite yet :).  Thanks for the
help ahead of time
Noah

KR> elect. artificial horizon

[Mark Langford]

Speaking of artificial horizons, my turn and bank indicator has been making 
lots of bearing noise lately, and yesterday while flying I noticed it wasn't 
working anymore.  A little later it started fogging up, which didn't make 
any sense...and then it got REALLY fogged up.  I thought "gee it's probably 
getting hot if the motor's locked up", so I felt the back of it and it 
burned my hand!  I thought I'd land real quick and unplug it, and then it 
occurred to me that I could just unplug it in about five seconds, so I did 
that and went on about my merry way.  It was still warm when I landed an 
hour later, but I did manage to get in 8 landings at four airports in the 
meantime.  I guess I'm looking for a T alternative now.  Maybe it's time 
for a little glass in my cockpit...

Mark Langford
ML at N56ML.com
website at http://www.N56ML.com
 

KR> elect. artificial horizon

[Randy Smith]

You will have to send it to a shop and have them reset the Angle. I had one 
rebuilt and they set the wrong angle and it started to wear the face off .It 
was rubbing on the glass.

--- On Mon, 4/25/11, Larry Flesner  wrote:


From: Larry Flesner 
Subject: Re: KR> elect. artificial horizon
To: "KRnet" 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Monday, April 25, 2011, 5:01 PM


At 12:20 PM 4/25/2011, you wrote:
>In an 8 degree instrument, the gyro is mounted 8 degrees off the 
>horizon and the horizon is centered in the instrument at an 8 degree 
>tilt to compensate for the tilt of the panel.
++

Now I'm wondering if the 8 degree tilt and the face alignment wasn't 
what the owner was noticing and thought it was acting funny.  I've 
been in that RV twice and don't recall the panel being tilted.  If it 
will function o.k. in a vertical panel that's all I need.  I'm really 
just looking for a "wings level" indicator or something to help me 
make a shallow 180 degree turn if I ever need it  I already have an 
electric T and only run it maybe 5 percent of my flight time.

Thanks

Larry Flesner


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KR> elect. artificial horizon

[Larry Flesner]

At 12:20 PM 4/25/2011, you wrote:
>. In an 8 degree instrument, the gyro is mounted 8 degrees off the 
>horizon and the horizon is centered in the instrument at an 8 degree 
>tilt to compensate for the tilt of the panel.


After reading several of your posts I stopped by the airport and 
checked out the AH.  I now see what's going on.  The instrument ( 
inner / outer scale) are indeed offset.  This one reads best with the 
tail on the ground.  That would indicate I would have to tip the top 
of the instrument toward the pilot to read more correctly.  I think I 
could live with the offset if the gyro works o.k. and the price is 
right. Can this be reset by an instrument shop?

Thanks for all you input.

Larry Flesner

KR> Tail Plane counter weights

[Gavin Magill]

Hey Phil

I am working on my HS at the moment as well.
This is the link to my construction page (which will be updated in the
coming week) which shows how I set up the rib and spars.

http://www.kiwikr.co.nz/221horistab2.html

And if you look at the seventh photo down in the page link below you will
see an example of how a weight can be attached to the HS as per an RV-6A.

http://www.kiwikr.co.nz/085_02_sportavex1.html
Also Darren Crompton's elevator page is definately worth a look.

http://www.kr-2s.com/elevator.html

Hopefully these might be of some use.

Cheers
Gavin


On 26 April 2011 09:50, phillip matheson wrote:

> Hi guys.
> I am about to finally sand the foam on my KR2SS H/S and elevator.
> But considering a slight change and place weights on the elevator tips this
> time and not internal as I did last time as per Mark Langford design.
>
> Any photo's out there of the rib spar design on web pages etc,  I can find
> would be a great help.
>
> Very quiet on the net, or am I not getting all emails again.
>
> Only received 1 email, Larry Flesner re EAH over night here down under.
> strange.
> Phil Matheson
> SAAA Ch 37
> http://www.philskr2.50megs.com/
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KR> elect. artificial horizon

[Larry Flesner]

At 12:20 PM 4/25/2011, you wrote:
>In an 8 degree instrument, the gyro is mounted 8 degrees off the 
>horizon and the horizon is centered in the instrument at an 8 degree 
>tilt to compensate for the tilt of the panel.
++

Now I'm wondering if the 8 degree tilt and the face alignment wasn't 
what the owner was noticing and thought it was acting funny.  I've 
been in that RV twice and don't recall the panel being tilted.  If it 
will function o.k. in a vertical panel that's all I need.  I'm really 
just looking for a "wings level" indicator or something to help me 
make a shallow 180 degree turn if I ever need it  I already have an 
electric T and only run it maybe 5 percent of my flight time.

Thanks

Larry Flesner

KR> Tail Plane counter weights

[phillip matheson]

Hi guys.
I am about to finally sand the foam on my KR2SS H/S and elevator.
But considering a slight change and place weights on the elevator tips this 
time and not internal as I did last time as per Mark Langford design.

Any photo's out there of the rib spar design on web pages etc,  I can find 
would be a great help.

Very quiet on the net, or am I not getting all emails again.

Only received 1 email, Larry Flesner re EAH over night here down under. 
strange.
Phil Matheson
SAAA Ch 37
http://www.philskr2.50megs.com/
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KR> kr props inc 52x48 for sale

[phil brookman]

for sale this is virtualy unused props inc  52 x 48  good condition drilled for 
a vw hub with 100mm centres 

this is great cruise prop but i need something more suited to short field 
operation.
located in uk but will ship.
phil brookman

KR> elect. artificial horizon

[Jeff Scott]

It should work OK as a VFR reference, but there is a definite difference 
between a stock instrument and an 8 degree instrument. In an 8 degree 
instrument, the gyro is mounted 8 degrees off the horizon and the horizon is 
centered in the instrument at an 8 degree tilt to compensate for the tilt of 
the panel. To mount it properly in a vertical panel, you might want to put an 8 
degree tilt to the gyro's mount. That's pretty simple to do and would actually 
tilt the face of the instrument up towards the pilot somewhat. If you do a 
search for "electric gyro" on the Aircraft Spruce web site, you'll note under 
the RC Allen electric gyro that they ask you to specify the tilt of the panel 
when you order the gyro. 

 Hey, if the price is right and it's what you want, then it's a good buy.

 Jeff Scott
 Los Alamos, NM
 http://jscott.comlu.com

- Original Message -

 I haven't spent any money yet. The seller said to install it and see if it 
works. I don't think their RV had an 8 degree panel. Could that cause it to not 
work properly? I'm sure it sees more than 8 degrees pitch change in use. If it 
works I'm sure I'll get a deal. The seller is my part time boss. :-) Larry 
Flesner

KR> elect. artificial horizon

[jmelvin...@aol.com]

Larry,

You might talk to a reputable instrument shop. Some old brain cells tell me 
 there is significance to the mounting position. Some Army aircraft I 
worked on  had a tilted platform built between the instrument face and panel 
for 
proper  positioning in the panel. 

John
El Paso


In a message dated 4/24/2011 8:06:25 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,  
fles...@frontier.com writes:

At 08:05  PM 4/24/2011, you wrote:
>The 8 degree means that the user had a panel  that was 8 degrees off  of
>vertical.
+++

I  haven't spent any money yet.  The seller said to install it and see  
if it works.  I don't think their RV had an 8 degree panel.   Could 
that cause it to not work properly?  I'm sure it sees more than  8 
degrees pitch change in use.  If it works I'm sure I'll get a  
deal.  The seller is my part time boss. :-)

Larry  Flesner


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KR> KR-2S for sale

[John Godwin]

Just to let everyone know, the pictures on my web site are out of date if 
anyone needs updated photos email me off list 
 John Godwin

KR> Electric Artificial Horizon

[J35bob]

If it is labeled "Falcon" it is direct from China. They are imported by 
Wultrad. Their instruments have a history of poor performance and reliability.


Bob Lasecki





-Original Message-
From: Larry Flesner 
To: KRnet 
Sent: Mon, Apr 25, 2011 7:10 am
Subject: Re: KR> Electric Artificial Horizon


At 11:41 PM 4/24/2011, you wrote:
>but an AI is something you want to be able to implicitly trust.  I
>wouldn't want something that occasionally "does something funny."
>+++


The seller couldn't really pinpoint what he thought the "occasionally 
does something funny" feature is all about.  I plan to give it a good 
VFR checkout before putting any money down.  I only want one in the 
panel to get me out of a spot where I got a bit stupid or maybe on 
those days flying high when it's hazy and no horizon.  I don't want 
those times to be  the time it "does something funny".

Larry Flesner




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KR> Electric Artificial Horizon

[Larry Flesner]

At 11:41 PM 4/24/2011, you wrote:
>but an AI is something you want to be able to implicitly trust.  I
>wouldn't want something that occasionally "does something funny."
>+++


The seller couldn't really pinpoint what he thought the "occasionally 
does something funny" feature is all about.  I plan to give it a good 
VFR checkout before putting any money down.  I only want one in the 
panel to get me out of a spot where I got a bit stupid or maybe on 
those days flying high when it's hazy and no horizon.  I don't want 
those times to be  the time it "does something funny".

Larry Flesner