KR> New wing skin idea or not so new....

2014-02-18 Thread Wayne Tokarz
Hi Gary, Many years ago a friend of mine acquired,(in a trade), a "stock" KR with trike gear and wood wings and turtle decks, even the canopy frame was wood. As I recall the builder, (completely unknown to me), used about a 3/32" or 3mm birch plywood, over wood ribs, bulkheads, stringers, etc. He

KR> New wing skin idea - Fuel tanks

2014-02-17 Thread Dene
-Original Message- From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of Ronald Wright Sent: 17 February, 2014 9:45 PM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> New wing skin idea - Fuel tanks Don't you have a concern about cold weather and the vinyl?cracking?? I would think a thin wall alumi

KR> New wing skin idea - Fuel tanks

2014-02-17 Thread jon kimmel
"I tested the PVC water pipes and found that the fuel would weep through the sealed pipe until it was all gone in about three months. I am also testing Vinyl fence posts. I brought the test items to the Gatherings at MVN several times" The proof is in the testing but it really begs the question

KR> New wing skin idea - Fuel tanks

2014-02-17 Thread smwood
I tested the PVC water pipes and found that the fuel would weep through the sealed pipe until it was all gone in about three months. I am also testing Vinyl fence posts. I brought the test items to the Gatherings at MVN several times. Larry always had me keep the gasoline outside the terminal

KR> New wing skin idea - Fuel tanks

2014-02-17 Thread Ronald Wright
Don't you have a concern about cold weather and the vinyl?cracking?? I would think a thin wall aluminum tube would be a much better choice.. From: smwood To: krnet at list.krnet.org Sent: Monday, February 17, 2014 1:08 PM Subject: Re: KR> New wing skin i

KR> New wing skin idea - Fuel tanks

2014-02-16 Thread Larry Flesner
At 02:15 PM 2/16/2014, you wrote: >How fuel resistant is PVC, ABS? Drain pipe ABS is really strong and >fairly light. Peter + Bill Clapp used PVC pipe for fuel tanks and found the fuel would slowly "weep" through the pipe.

KR> New wing skin idea - Fuel

2014-02-16 Thread peter
Nope. http://www.gilsoneng.com/reference/ChemRes.pdf peter One idea that occurred to me, was that a sufficiently large-diameter PVC pipe,

KR> New wing skin idea - Fuel

2014-02-16 Thread peter
How fuel resistant is PVC, ABS? Drain pipe ABS is really strong and fairly light. Peter One idea that occurred to me, was that a sufficiently large-diameter PVC pipe,

KR> New wing skin idea - Fuel

2014-02-16 Thread Dave_A
One idea that occurred to me, was that a sufficiently large-diameter PVC pipe, properly sealed & run through the space between the leading edge and the front spar would make an ideal fuel tank... However, since I got my KR project with the wings prebuilt and a large header tank in place, I'm

KR> New wing skin idea

2014-02-15 Thread Larry Flesner
At 08:27 AM 2/15/2014, you wrote: >How long is the fuel tank to get 12.5 gals. >Joe My tanks are the length of the spar http://myplace.frontier.com/~flesner/22.jpg less about 8 inches (baffles and end foam), 10 inches front to rear and average

KR> New wing skin idea

2014-02-15 Thread Mark Wegmet
at charter.net Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2014 8:28 AM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> New wing skin idea Larry How long is the fuel tank to get 12.5 gals. I was calculating mine in the same location and found 48 inches long and 10 inches wide would give me 12 gals. Joe On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 7:08

KR> New wing skin idea

2014-02-15 Thread joemalsack at charter.net
Larry How long is the fuel tank to get 12.5 gals. I was calculating mine in the same location and found 48 inches long and 10 inches wide would give me 12 gals. Joe On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 7:08 PM, Larry Flesner wrote: > At 01:41 PM 2/14/2014, you wrote: >> I might not make the >> tanks the

KR> New wing skin idea

2014-02-14 Thread Dene
Hi Sid I hear you but I have not done my final calcs yet, I might not make the tanks the full span between the spars but I would like to keep them full span for the stiffness it will give the wing being bonded to both the top and bottom skins. Regards Dene Collett Avlec Projects cc Builders of

KR> New wing skin idea

2014-02-14 Thread Larry Flesner
At 01:41 PM 2/14/2014, you wrote: >I might not make the >tanks the full span between the spars but I would like to keep them full >span for the stiffness it will give the wing being bonded to both the top >and bottom skins. >Dene Collett + A

KR> New wing skin idea

2014-02-14 Thread peter
Dene; Make sure that the airloads don't travel through the full-span box structure of the tanks, rather than through the box structure of the spars. Probably would delaminate from the skins over time. Thermal loads also concern me. Wood, aluminum, and fibreglass expand differentially with

KR> New wing skin idea

2014-02-14 Thread Dene
] On Behalf Of Wayne Tokarz Sent: 14 February, 2014 5:58 PM To: 'KRnet' Subject: Re: KR> New wing skin idea I think you will be compromising the torsional rigidity of the wings with three pieces and relying on a bonded joint, ( I could be wrong here

KR> New wing skin idea

2014-02-14 Thread smwood
I built in wing tanks per the Diehl plans between the forward and aft spars, and from the WAF out to the first wing rib. Turned out to be 10.8 gallons per side. That 21.6 gallons would provide over 6 hours endurance plus reserve. Way longer than I care to sit in my tiny cockpit for one

KR> New wing skin idea

2014-02-14 Thread Wayne Tokarz
humble two cents worth. Wayne -Original Message- From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of Dene Sent: February-13-14 10:48 PM To: 'KRnet' Subject: KR> New wing skin idea Hi guys It is my plan to put full length wing tanks inside my wings between the spars but beca

KR> New wing skin idea

2014-02-14 Thread Dene
Hi guys It is my plan to put full length wing tanks inside my wings between the spars but because it is common practice here to use polystyrene for a core and we all know what happens to poly foam when it even smells fuel, I have been trying to come up with a way to get rid of foam all together