Re: Virtualization Performance: Intel vs. AMD

2009-11-17 Thread Thomas Treutner
On Monday 16 November 2009 11:12:19 Avi Kivity wrote: Anyways, I'm just curious, as this feature is primarily interesting for development, IMHO. No, it's primarily interesting for performance. I think I confused NPT with support for nested virtualization (which I think no one except devs

Re: Virtualization Performance: Intel vs. AMD

2009-11-16 Thread Avi Kivity
On 11/15/2009 05:55 PM, Thomas Treutner wrote: On Sunday 15 November 2009 14:05:52 Neil Aggarwal wrote: I prefer AMD CPUs, they give you a better bang for the buck. Besides that, I don't think they would be any technical differences, they are supposed to be completely compatible. I have

Re: Virtualization Performance: Intel vs. AMD

2009-11-16 Thread Andi Kleen
Thomas Fjellstrom tfjellst...@shaw.ca writes: Hardware context switches aren't free either. FWIW, SMT has no hardware context switches, the 'S' stands for simultaneous: the operations from the different threads are travelling simultaneously through the CPU's pipeline. You seem to confuse it

Re: Virtualization Performance: Intel vs. AMD

2009-11-16 Thread Avi Kivity
On 11/16/2009 12:29 AM, Gordan Bobic wrote: Thomas Fjellstrom wrote: On Sun November 15 2009, Neil Aggarwal wrote: The Core i7 has hyperthreading, so you see 8 logical CPUs. Are you saying the AMD processors do not have hyperthreading? Course not. Hyperthreading is dubious at best. That's

Virtualization Performance: Intel vs. AMD

2009-11-15 Thread Andreas Winkelbauer
Hi, I am currently in the process of setting up the configuration for some new workstations. I don't yet know if I'll use an Intel or an AMD plattform. Now my question is: Are there any important differences in terms of virtualization performance and/or features between the current Intel/AMD

RE: Virtualization Performance: Intel vs. AMD

2009-11-15 Thread Neil Aggarwal
Andreas: Now my question is: Are there any important differences in terms of virtualization performance and/or features between the current Intel/AMD CPUs I prefer AMD CPUs, they give you a better bang for the buck. Besides that, I don't think they would be any technical differences, they

Re: Virtualization Performance: Intel vs. AMD

2009-11-15 Thread Thomas Treutner
On Sunday 15 November 2009 14:05:52 Neil Aggarwal wrote: I prefer AMD CPUs, they give you a better bang for the buck. Besides that, I don't think they would be any technical differences, they are supposed to be completely compatible. I have seen no evidence to the contrary. Isn't AMD the only

Re: Virtualization Performance: Intel vs. AMD

2009-11-15 Thread Thomas Treutner
On Sunday 15 November 2009 13:22:36 Andreas Winkelbauer wrote: Now my question is: Are there any important differences in terms of virtualization performance and/or features between the current Intel/AMD CPUs (e.g. Core i7 Lynnfield and Phenom II X4 Deneb)? The Core i7 has hyperthreading, so

RE: Virtualization Performance: Intel vs. AMD

2009-11-15 Thread Neil Aggarwal
The Core i7 has hyperthreading, so you see 8 logical CPUs. Are you saying the AMD processors do not have hyperthreading? I have a machine with two six-core AMD Opterons. top shows me 12 logical CPUs. Neil -- Neil Aggarwal, (281)846-8957, http://UnmeteredVPS.net CentOS 5.4 VPS with

Re: Virtualization Performance: Intel vs. AMD

2009-11-15 Thread Thomas Fjellstrom
On Sun November 15 2009, Neil Aggarwal wrote: The Core i7 has hyperthreading, so you see 8 logical CPUs. Are you saying the AMD processors do not have hyperthreading? Course not. Hyperthreading is dubious at best. I have a machine with two six-core AMD Opterons. top shows me 12 logical

RE: Virtualization Performance: Intel vs. AMD

2009-11-15 Thread Neil Aggarwal
Those six cores in each cpu are actual physcial cores. Not fake logical cores. OK, I see what you are saying now. Thanks for the clarification. Neil -- Neil Aggarwal, (281)846-8957, http://UnmeteredVPS.net CentOS 5.4 VPS with unmetered bandwidth only $25/month! 7 day no risk trial,

Re: Virtualization Performance: Intel vs. AMD

2009-11-15 Thread Gordan Bobic
Thomas Fjellstrom wrote: On Sun November 15 2009, Neil Aggarwal wrote: The Core i7 has hyperthreading, so you see 8 logical CPUs. Are you saying the AMD processors do not have hyperthreading? Course not. Hyperthreading is dubious at best. That's a rather questionable answer to a rather

Re: Virtualization Performance: Intel vs. AMD

2009-11-15 Thread Thomas Fjellstrom
On Sun November 15 2009, Gordan Bobic wrote: Thomas Fjellstrom wrote: On Sun November 15 2009, Neil Aggarwal wrote: The Core i7 has hyperthreading, so you see 8 logical CPUs. Are you saying the AMD processors do not have hyperthreading? Course not. Hyperthreading is dubious at best.

Re: Virtualization Performance: Intel vs. AMD

2009-11-15 Thread Gordan Bobic
Thomas Fjellstrom wrote: The Core i7 has hyperthreading, so you see 8 logical CPUs. Are you saying the AMD processors do not have hyperthreading? Course not. Hyperthreading is dubious at best. That's a rather questionable answer to a rather broad issue. SMT is useful, especially on