Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Pootle searching fails - again

2015-01-06 Thread Leif Lodahl
I think this problem is escalating.

My hope was that the holiday period could give us time to finish the
translation of 4.4 but it didn't happen.

Translating with Pootle is PITA. And for the Danish translation I can say
that we have more or less given up on it. At least two of our regular
translators has left the project (temporarily I hope) because of this
situation.

I think the issue should be raised to management level or at least be
prioritized.


Cheers,
Leif

2015-01-02 9:46 GMT+01:00 Sophie gautier.sop...@gmail.com:

 Hi,
 Le 01/01/2015 21:36, Florian Effenberger a écrit :
  Hi,
 
  Cor Nouws wrote on 2015-01-01 at 21:30:
  I added 'details'
  But can't reopen.
 
  Now displayinghttps://translations.documentfoundation.org/translate/
  does not work. Well at least not within the last 10 minutes.
 
  same here. :-( Pootle is out of TDF infra, hosted on a separate machine,
  and Cloph (who might know what to do) is on vacation.
 
  If it doesn't automagically heal itself by tomorrow, can you maybe poke
  Andras and Sophie? IMHO at least Andras also knows some details about
  the Pootle setup, and Sophie might know who else could help out...

 I've added Rimas in copy of this mail, Pootle seems to be down
 currently. Rimas is it possible for you to help here?
 Cheers
 Sophie



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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Pootle searching fails - again

2015-01-06 Thread Cor Nouws
Leif Lodahl wrote on 06-01-15 10:43:
 I think the issue should be raised to management level or at least be
 prioritized.

It has been 'managed' already. Now only needs to be fixed..

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Pootle searching fails - again

2015-01-06 Thread Zeki Bildirici
Hi,

I've missed the topic for second time. Sorry for that.

I want to ask that if something said about the new accelerator sign '_'
when placed inside the word, seperates the word and prevents having a
search match.

Best regards,
Zeki

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Pootle searching fails - again

2015-01-06 Thread Sophie
Hi Leif, all,
Le 06/01/2015 10:43, Leif Lodahl a écrit :
 I think this problem is escalating.
 
 My hope was that the holiday period could give us time to finish the
 translation of 4.4 but it didn't happen.
 
 Translating with Pootle is PITA. And for the Danish translation I can say
 that we have more or less given up on it. At least two of our regular
 translators has left the project (temporarily I hope) because of this
 situation.

Maybe a temporary solution for them is to use Virtaal, until we try to
see where we can enhance things here. I'm not sure of what can be
exactly done, but this is something I would like to discuss during
Fosdem (in the light of Cloph answer here
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice-l10n-Pootle-server-speed-tt4128467.html)
 
 I think the issue should be raised to management level or at least be
 prioritized.

I would like first to give a try to the new workflow and see how things
improve here. I've also contacted Dwayne (Pootle developer) multiple
times but his availability is very low, I'll write him again today.
LibreOffice is a very large project and we have few comparison elements
with other projects. However, if we need to test other software in
replacement, we will do it. I still have Weblate to test
(https://weblate.org/en/features/) in mind, but well before replacing a
full installation, I think trying to enhance it is better, again due to
the large project we have.

Cheers
Sophie

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Pootle searching fails - again

2015-01-06 Thread Florian Effenberger

Hi,

Leif Lodahl wrote on 2015-01-06 at 10:43:

I think this problem is escalating.

My hope was that the holiday period could give us time to finish the
translation of 4.4 but it didn't happen.

Translating with Pootle is PITA. And for the Danish translation I can say
that we have more or less given up on it. At least two of our regular
translators has left the project (temporarily I hope) because of this
situation.

I think the issue should be raised to management level or at least be
prioritized.


sorry to hear about those issues. :-( The whole Pootle issue is a long 
story, and things so far did not work out as expected, despite various 
approaches by Sophie and me. From what I remember, this is nothing 
fixable from the infra side, but only in the program's code, which we 
tried to get, but...


Sophie, Cloph, can we maybe have a call on this on Thursday or Friday so 
you can update me what the story is and we can evaluate our options here?


Thanks,
Florian

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Pootle searching fails - again

2015-01-06 Thread Sophie
Hi Flo, all,
Le 06/01/2015 12:07, Florian Effenberger a écrit :
 Hi,
 
 Leif Lodahl wrote on 2015-01-06 at 10:43:
 I think this problem is escalating.

 My hope was that the holiday period could give us time to finish the
 translation of 4.4 but it didn't happen.

 Translating with Pootle is PITA. And for the Danish translation I can say
 that we have more or less given up on it. At least two of our regular
 translators has left the project (temporarily I hope) because of this
 situation.

 I think the issue should be raised to management level or at least be
 prioritized.
 
 sorry to hear about those issues. :-( The whole Pootle issue is a long
 story, and things so far did not work out as expected, despite various
 approaches by Sophie and me. From what I remember, this is nothing
 fixable from the infra side, but only in the program's code, which we
 tried to get, but...
 
 Sophie, Cloph, can we maybe have a call on this on Thursday or Friday so
 you can update me what the story is and we can evaluate our options here?

Both days are ok for me. I've sent a mail to Dwayne with you in copy so
you'll know where we are here.
Cheers
Sophie
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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Pootle searching fails - again

2015-01-06 Thread Florian Effenberger

Hi,

Sophie wrote on 2015-01-06 at 15:56:

Both days are ok for me. I've sent a mail to Dwayne with you in copy so
you'll know where we are here.


thanks a lot!

I will follow-up with you and Cloph offlist first, and then get back to 
this list.


Sorry again for the inconveniences,
Florian

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Pootle searching fails - again

2015-01-06 Thread Cor Nouws
Adolfo Jayme Barrientos wrote on 06-01-15 18:21:

 His attitude sucks, this is not the only list in which he is being
 harsh lately (also received some of his niceness in
 ubuntu-translators). Michael, you should take a break, dude.

It may well be that his style is different and some harsh to others,
while he does not intend or experience it that way? Of course, it might
help if he can adjust a bit to avoid misunderstanding and other
feelings, but I often try to take into account that we all have a
different background before taking offense ;)


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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Pootle searching fails - again

2015-01-06 Thread Adolfo Jayme Barrientos
2015-01-06 10:16 GMT-06:00 Leif Lodahl leiflod...@gmail.com:
 May I suggest a more positive approach to people who comes with positive
 suggestions? Your attitude doesn't exactly attract new contributor.

His attitude sucks, this is not the only list in which he is being
harsh lately (also received some of his niceness in
ubuntu-translators). Michael, you should take a break, dude.

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Pootle searching fails - again

2015-01-06 Thread Adolfo Jayme Barrientos
2015-01-06 11:31 GMT-06:00 Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl:
 It may well be that his style is different and some harsh to others,
 while he does not intend or experience it that way?

You are right, it is most likely that we have different cultural
backgrounds and education. But I still believe we can all try to
behave a bit more professionally.

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Pootle searching fails - again

2015-01-06 Thread Michael Bauer
Yeah... have you ever tried exporting a po file from Crowdin? Totally 
bonkers.


Michael

Sgrìobh Jan Møgelbjerg na leanas 06/01/2015 aig 15:34:

Besides Danish LibreOffice translation I am also working at a translation
of the 'OpenProject' software. The platform used for this is the Crowdin
Localization Management Platform whith which I have only positive and
recommendable experience (also from a couple of older projects).
Crowdin has a standing offer to give free acces for OpenSource software -
read more athttps://crowdin.com/pricing

Just a suggestion - It really would be nice to work with LO at a platform
without all these errors and interruptions.

med venlig hilsen

Jan M


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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Pootle searching fails - again

2015-01-02 Thread Florian Effenberger

Hi,

Cor Nouws wrote on 2015-01-01 at 21:30:

I added 'details'
But can't reopen.

Now displayinghttps://translations.documentfoundation.org/translate/
does not work. Well at least not within the last 10 minutes.


same here. :-( Pootle is out of TDF infra, hosted on a separate machine, 
and Cloph (who might know what to do) is on vacation.


If it doesn't automagically heal itself by tomorrow, can you maybe poke 
Andras and Sophie? IMHO at least Andras also knows some details about 
the Pootle setup, and Sophie might know who else could help out...


Florian

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Pootle searching fails - again

2015-01-01 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Florian,

Florian Effenberger wrote on 30-12-14 09:47:
 can you add details to Redmine ticket #707 and re-open it?

I added 'details'
But can't reopen.

Now displaying https://translations.documentfoundation.org/translate/
does not work. Well at least not within the last 10 minutes.


Ciao,
Cor

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Pootle searching fails - again

2014-12-30 Thread Florian Effenberger

Hi Cor,

Cor Nouws wrote on 2014-12-28 at 23:37:


Apparently dumb user error since I picked up 4.2 from the browsers
memory.. Apols!


Not that working in 4.4. is a pleasure :(


can you add details to Redmine ticket #707 and re-open it?
Maybe Sophie can then have a look and if it's really an issue, raise it 
with the Pootle folks.


Thanks,
Florian

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[libreoffice-l10n] Pootle searching fails - again

2014-12-28 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi,

For the statistics:
Searching for a string in
https://translations.documentfoundation.org/nl/libo42_ui/ fails.
Tried about five times during last four/five hours.


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Pootle searching fails - again

2014-12-28 Thread Cor Nouws

Cor Nouws wrote on 28-12-14 20:40:

 https://translations.documentfoundation.org/nl/libo42_ui/ fails.

Apparently dumb user error since I picked up 4.2 from the browsers
memory.. Apols!
Cor


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Pootle searching fails - again

2014-12-28 Thread Cor Nouws
Cor Nouws wrote on 28-12-14 21:48:

 Apparently dumb user error since I picked up 4.2 from the browsers
 memory.. Apols!

Not that working in 4.4. is a pleasure :(


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