Re: [lace] Lace grounds with symmetry

2016-05-15 Thread Veronika Irvine
Hi Beth, You raise a very good point. Any pattern that can be reflected in two mirrors at right angles can also be rotated 180 degrees and still look the same. The type of patterns that I am looking for can be rotated and look the same but do not have any mirror reflections - like a

Re: [lace] Lace grounds with symmetry

2016-05-15 Thread Veronika Irvine
Thank you Brenda for your detailed and comprehensive reply. It is very much appreciated. In my description of what I am looking for, I left out an important detail. I am ignoring the over and under crossing of the threads when looking for symmetry. You can think of it as looking for symmetry

Re: [lace] Lace grounds with symmetry

2016-05-15 Thread Brenda Paternoster
Hello Veronika In bobbin lace, cloth stitch (CTC) has 90 degree rotational symmetry, but not mirror symmetry. Additional twists added to each of the pairs, in the same numbers, both before and after the cloth stitch will retain the rotational symmetry. A single half stitch (CT) does not have

Re: [lace] Lace grounds with symmetry

2016-05-15 Thread Beth Marshall
Hi Veronika I think most rosegrounds are a good examples of an object with rotational symmetry as well as mirror symmetry - you can rotate the the lace a quarter or a half turn & the ground still looks exactly the same Beth In a sunny but quite cold Cheshire, England Veronika wrote: I