[lace] Ethics and the internet
You will know that I am passionate about lace bobbins. I started with the East Midland genre, then moved on to East Devon bobbins and for some years i have been urged to turn my mind to the bobbins of the âEuropeanâ continent. Over the years some people have kindly sent me some bobbins either in reality or in pictures. I have done nothing with them and i am feeling quite guilty about that (I can give you a list of excuses why I have done nothing!... cant we all?) I decided that one way of meeting what might be a start is a web page devoted to the bobbins of other countries. Over the years i have collected various information and pictures from various publications to help me identify the countries from which these bobbins came. I think it is quite a resource... so what is my problem? For a number of countries I have say just one picture that i can legitimately publish but a lot of drawings/pictures that i have collected for my personal use in the process of Continental bobbin identification. Some countries i have a number of legitimate pictures to publish, but not examples of all the bobbins from that country. To be honest, i have no idea where i got the illustrations etc from, but i am guessing that most have come from very old a possibly out of print books or catalogues. (for the most part.) What should i do? I do not think i would ever be sued for what i may publish. I would avoid the sources in the few books in current publication that i know of. Deep down i know the answer, but do not want to acknowledge it for the sake of academia (I hate to tell you but i did my Masters in Ethics oh I should not have told you that!) IF I can get enough people on side that have a reasonable collection of Continental bobbins and who are reasonably knowledgeable about them, I was wondering if we could have a collaborative web page? I would put up a web page of all that i have got (including dubious sourced stuff!) you guys would look at it, see if you have got a real picture you could take and send me of a bobbin that is illustrated from a book source etc, I would then replace the book illustration with your real picture . There seems to be nothing out there that enables bobbin collectors to ID their continental bobbins. I have a private resource that goes a long way to rectifying that (not all the way for sure) Is there a reasonable way i can get that out there for collectors and interested people to use? I need to say that this would be a âpictureâonly resource, there is no way I could write articles about them... I would just be out of my depth completely. Other than for a few rude word i only speak English! What do you think? Maybe there is not need for it? Maybe i should just publish my legit stuff (that would leave a lot of blanks) Over to you. Brian - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Ethics and the internet
Hi Brian and fellow Arachnids, A very good idea. I would certainly take photos of my continental bobbins and let you have them with what info I have. Hope you have all found some time to make lace this Easter. Happy lace making, Joepie, sunny East Sussex, UK -Original Message- From: Brian Lemin You will know that I am passionate about lace bobbins. I started with the East Midland genre, then moved on to East Devon bobbins and for some years i have been urged to turn my mind to the bobbins of the European continent... ...IF I can get enough people on side that have a reasonable collection of Continental bobbins and who are reasonably knowledgeable about them, I was wondering if we could have a collaborative web page? I would put up a web page of all that i have got (including dubious sourced stuff!) you guys would look at it, see if you have got a real picture you could take and send me of a bobbin that is illustrated from a book source etc, I would then replace the book illustration with your real picture . There seems to be nothing out there that enables bobbin collectors to ID their continental bobbins. I have a private resource that goes a long way to rectifying that (not all the way for sure). Brian - - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Ethics and the internet
Dear Brian, as we all on Arachne know, the copyright rules are different in each country. It seems to me you can avoid a lot of problems by acknowledging the problem on the website, asking permission to post any copyrighted pictures, and expressing a willingness to delete any photos as the copyright holder may request. In my American opinion, the fact that you are not making a profit on the enterprise would make a difference, but then that's just my opinion. I think the idea of a website for Continental bobbin identification would be a great thing for lacemakers. Personally I fail to see why the owners of Midlands bobbins should have all the fun. Lyn in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, USA where it's still a bit chilly for this time of year. 28F -2C at 6 a.m Over the years some people have kindly sent me some bobbins either in reality or in pictures. I have done nothing with them and i am feeling quite guilty about that (I can give you a list of excuses why I have done nothing!... cant we all?) I decided that one way of meeting what might be a start is a web page devoted to the bobbins of other countries. Over the years i have collected various information and pictures from various publications to help me identify the countries from which these bobbins came. I think it is quite a resource... so what is my problem? For a number of countries I have say just one picture that i can legitimately publish but a lot of drawings/pictures that i have collected for my personal use in the process of Continental bobbin identification. Some countries i have a number of legitimate pictures to publish, but not examples of all the bobbins from that country. To be honest, i have no idea where i got the illustrations etc from, but i am guessing that most have come from very old a possibly out of print books or catalogues. (for the most part.) What should i do? I do not think i would ever be sued for what i may publish. I would avoid the sources in the few books in current publication that i know of. My email sends out an automatic message. Arachne members, please ignore it. I read your emails. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Janice Blair's Poppy
Janice, I've now assembled the 2 poppies I made and thought I'd tell folks what I did. Having drawn the black stamens on each of the 4 petals, I selected the 4 longest threads on each and made a Beds plait for about 4cm. Then I stitched the 4 petals together up the lower half of each side, and cut the remaining threads to about 1cm long. After that I took some acid free craft glue and thoroughly glued all those 1cm ends together to make a mat for the hole between the petals. As soon as it was dry I used 3 strands of DMC black thread and using that mat as a base, fill the area with bullion stitches. Lastly I took the 4 plaits and tied them into 2 reef knots forming 2 arches about 1cm high, glued that knot and trimmed off the remainder of the plaits. The poppy is now easily attached to my suit jacket with a safety pin from the back through the 2 U shaped arches. Thanks again Janice. David in Ballarat, AUS. Off to Adelaide, South Australia in about 5 hours!! - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Janice Blair's poppy
I am getting the same message as everyone else. I will ask my DD to look into it as it was working on Sunday. Thanks to all who emailed me about it. Janice Janice Blair Crystal Lake, 50 miles northwest of Chicago, Illinois, USA www.jblace.com http://www.lacemakersofillinois.org From: Rosemary Hemmett rosemary.hemm...@virgin.net To: Janice Blair jbl...@sbcglobal.net Sent: Monday, April 21, 2014 11:21 AM Subject: Re: [lace] Janice Blair's poppy Dear Janice I have tried to access your website but I kep getting the message that the domain is unknown I clicked on jblace.com please am I using the correct web address Kind regards Rosemary Hemmett On 19/04/2014 01:30, Janice Blair wrote: Dave wrote: Dear Janice and other Friends, April 25th is ANZAC Day here in Australia and so I've spent today making one of your red Remembrance Day Poppies. It's really come out well, so tomorrow I shall make another for my best mate Des which we can then wear as we march in Adelaide, South Australia where our entire Battalion is having its first ever reunion since Vietnam in 1970. I will be very proud to think of you and your made wearing a poppy design by me as you march in the parade. I have to say though, that as I worked it, I couldn't help but think what a great project this would make for a beginner!! You can easily finish one in a day; you'd learn hanging on and throwing out pairs; cloth stitch and twists and end up with a useful object. Plus, for me, it finally got rid of some thick old red crochet cotton I'd been hanging on to for years awaiting the right project. :) The website you quoted is for one of the guilds I belong to. Mine is www.jblace.com but I don't think I have ever posted the design on that site. I will ask my DD to put it on but it might be a while to her doing it. In the meantime, I have asked the webmistress of the IOLI site to put it on their pattern page if possible. When I hear back from Pam, I will post the link so you can find it. I made dozens of those flowers and others for our convention in 2008 so haven't done any since. You are right, it is a simple pattern for a beginner and you can make as many petals as you want. I must say I always get a little thrill when my name pops up on Arachne. DH always says that now I am famous :-) David, thanks for posting your comments. Janice Janice Blair Crystal Lake, 50 miles northwest of Chicago, Illinois, USA www.jblace.com http://www.lacemakersofillinois.org - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ -- Kind Regards Rosemary Hemmett mailto:rosemary.hemm...@virgin.net - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Janice Blair's Site
It appears that my website host is having problems and is working on it. I will let you know when I find out that it is okay and will post again. Janice Janice Blair Crystal Lake, 50 miles northwest of Chicago, Illinois, USA www.jblace.com http://www.lacemakersofillinois.org - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Brian's bobbins
Brian One thing you could do, that wouldn't cost any money, would be to start a pinboard on pinterest. Since pinterest now includes the source website for every photo, you could take photos off the internet. And you would be surprised how many photos of bobbins there are. Pinterest does allow you to specify whether only you, or anybody, can post photos to your pinboard. Of course, if you specify that anybody can put a pin there, it means only people who already have pinterest accounts. Pinterest allows you to pin photos from anywhere on the internet, or from your own computer. I think the drawings you have made yourself are yours to post, even if you were looking at somebody else's photo when you made them. Posting photos given by somebody else, when you don't remember the donor, well, that is another issue. If you have a list of all your donors, but don't know which donor goes with which photo, you could just post the list and explain your problem, inviting anyone who recognizes a photo to contact you. Presumably if they sent you a photo they expected you to use it in a lecture or article. Otherwise, why send it? I do understand the problem you are trying to solve. I have started a set of my own pinboards, collecting photos of laces by categories. The reason is that I am always wanting good examples of antique laces when I am trying to explain why I identify a particular lace as this or that. Photos I can use from my own website are limited in their scope. laceioli and needlelacetalk provide more, but still not enough. Too many gaps in the historical record, and some forms nobody is making. So my pinterest boards fill in the gaps. They are illustrations I can use by creating links. If you were to do this by creating a webpage you could just post links to pre-existing online photos, instead of posting the photos. Of course that still leaves the problem of photos you have without certainty about who the photographer was. I already have a pinboard for bobbins and equipment, but it is haphazard, not systematic, and I didn't bother to identify the geographic location of every one. If you were to do it we could reasonably expect systematic thoroughness. http://www.pinterest.com/lynxlacelady/bobbin-lace-tools/ Lorelei - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Ethics and the internet
Legally, Heaven only knows. There's probably a law against crossing the street. Morally, if you give as much provenance as you've got, and state that it's incomplete and open to correction, that's all any reasonable person could expect. -- Joy Beeson http://joybeeson.home.comcast.net/ http://roughsewing.home.comcast.net/ west of Fort Wayne, Indiana, U.S.A. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
