Re: [lace] Fwd: Finca threads

[Lin Hudren]

Holly Van Sciver (vansciverbobbinlace.com) also carries Finca threads.


No
threats detected. www.avast.com

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Hugs, Lin and the Mali

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John
Wayne*

On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 11:13 AM, J-D Hammett  wrote:

> Hi fellow Arachnids,
>
> Do not worry too much about the Finca threads in the UK. I am sure that
> some
> of the general lace traders will take up the slack. Try Claires Lace,
> Roseground (has already stocked some Finca) or SMP Lace.
>
> Happy lace making,
>
> Joepie, East Sussex, UK
>
>
>
>
> From: Susan
> Sent: 23 March 2016 17:41
> To: lace@arachne.com
> Subject: [lace] Fwd: Finca threads
>
> Hello All!  Just sending this along because a friend sells Finca thread at
> her
> shop in Ohio & I was concerned about losing access to 16 perle.  While it
> eased my mind to know there is plenty of inventory in the US, I wonder
> what's
> causing a problem in the UK.  Obviously I would be happy to help facilitate
> if
> anyone on Arachne needs Finca threads.  Please contact me off list.
> Sincerely, Susan Hottle, Palm Beach Gardens, FL USA
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> >
> > Hi Susan -
> > I just got off the phone with Colonial and am pleased to say that your
> information is incorrect.  Presencia changed hands many years ago, but is
> going strong in full production.
> >
> > They may have mistaken the part of the world (Spain) where Presencia is
> based with the Turkish company Altin Basak which makes threads, perles and
> metallic/perle cotton combination.  They have closed.  I am looking for a
> substitute for a designer and she is going to audition Rainbow Gallery
> "Highlights" and "Silk Lame Braid" for a class kit.
> >
> > To quote Colonial "we have a whole tracker trailer full of thread".
> >
> >
>
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Re: [lace] Fwd: Finca threads

[Brenda Paternoster]

It’s Presencia UK that have gone into voluntary liquidation.
Presencia Spain (where the threads are produced) are still trading but they
are in administration.

AFAIK the USA outlet for Presencia (Finca) thread is still trading as usual.

Brenda

> On 23 Mar 2016, at 17:32, Susan  wrote:
>
> Hello All!  Just sending this along because a friend sells Finca thread at
her
> shop in Ohio & I was concerned about losing access to 16 perle.  While it
> eased my mind to know there is plenty of inventory in the US, I wonder
what's
> causing a problem in the UK.  Obviously I would be happy to help facilitate
if
> anyone on Arachne needs Finca threads.  Please contact me off list.
> Sincerely, Susan Hottle, Palm Beach Gardens, FL USA
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>>
>> Hi Susan -
>> I just got off the phone with Colonial and am pleased to say that your
> information is incorrect.  Presencia changed hands many years ago, but is
> going strong in full production.
>>
>> They may have mistaken the part of the world (Spain) where Presencia is
> based with the Turkish company Altin Basak which makes threads, perles and
> metallic/perle cotton combination.  They have closed.  I am looking for a
> substitute for a designer and she is going to audition Rainbow Gallery
> "Highlights" and "Silk Lame Braid" for a class kit.
>>
>> To quote Colonial "we have a whole tracker trailer full of thread".
>>
>>
>
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RE: [lace] Fwd: Finca threads

[J-D Hammett]

Hi fellow Arachnids,

Do not worry too much about the Finca threads in the UK. I am sure that some
of the general lace traders will take up the slack. Try Claires Lace,
Roseground (has already stocked some Finca) or SMP Lace.

Happy lace making,

Joepie, East Sussex, UK




From: Susan
Sent: 23 March 2016 17:41
To: lace@arachne.com
Subject: [lace] Fwd: Finca threads

Hello All!  Just sending this along because a friend sells Finca thread at
her
shop in Ohio & I was concerned about losing access to 16 perle.  While it
eased my mind to know there is plenty of inventory in the US, I wonder what's
causing a problem in the UK.  Obviously I would be happy to help facilitate
if
anyone on Arachne needs Finca threads.  Please contact me off list.
Sincerely, Susan Hottle, Palm Beach Gardens, FL USA

Sent from my iPad

Begin forwarded message:

>
> Hi Susan -
> I just got off the phone with Colonial and am pleased to say that your
information is incorrect.  Presencia changed hands many years ago, but is
going strong in full production.
>
> They may have mistaken the part of the world (Spain) where Presencia is
based with the Turkish company Altin Basak which makes threads, perles and
metallic/perle cotton combination.  They have closed.  I am looking for a
substitute for a designer and she is going to audition Rainbow Gallery
"Highlights" and "Silk Lame Braid" for a class kit.
>
> To quote Colonial "we have a whole tracker trailer full of thread".
>
>

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[lace] Fwd: Finca threads

[Susan]

Hello All!  Just sending this along because a friend sells Finca thread at her
shop in Ohio & I was concerned about losing access to 16 perle.  While it
eased my mind to know there is plenty of inventory in the US, I wonder what's
causing a problem in the UK.  Obviously I would be happy to help facilitate if
anyone on Arachne needs Finca threads.  Please contact me off list.
Sincerely, Susan Hottle, Palm Beach Gardens, FL USA

Sent from my iPad

Begin forwarded message:

>
> Hi Susan -
> I just got off the phone with Colonial and am pleased to say that your
information is incorrect.  Presencia changed hands many years ago, but is
going strong in full production.
>
> They may have mistaken the part of the world (Spain) where Presencia is
based with the Turkish company Altin Basak which makes threads, perles and
metallic/perle cotton combination.  They have closed.  I am looking for a
substitute for a designer and she is going to audition Rainbow Gallery
"Highlights" and "Silk Lame Braid" for a class kit.
>
> To quote Colonial "we have a whole tracker trailer full of thread".
>
>

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[lace] Lace messages

[Janice Blair]

Hi Catherine,Just wanted to let you know that I received the whole of your
first message in the Digest form of Lace, then I got your apologies.  I have
no idea why some parts of messages do not appear but it has happened to others
also, and in their cases, I have received the whole messages.Janice Janice
Blair Murrieta, CA, www.jblace.com 

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[lace] one liner

[Witchy Woman]

How about these...
Old lacemakers never die...they just keep bobbin' along.
Armed with pins and I know how to use them.
Pegin sunny Cleveland Ohio

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[lace] one-liner

[Alex Stillwell]

Hi Arachnids

How about this for a one-liner?

Lacemakers do it on pillows, and another -

Blow the dust, let s make lace.

Alex

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Re: [lace] Help

[catherinebar...@btinternet.com]

Thank you everyone, I've received eleven replies so far and delighted to know
that I am not loosing my marbles, just totally stressed out with this new
computer.  I'm so sorry about them having come through three times and have no
idea why some came through yahoo as I do not have an account with them!

Grateful thanks once again.

Catherine

Sent from my iPad

Catherine Barley Needlelace
www.catherinebarley.com

> On 23 Mar 2016, at 10:57, Jean Nathan  wrote:
>
> Hello Catherine - they all arrived in my in box, but they show the sender as
Yahoo! - no mention of your name or email address until I put my mouse pointer
ovr Yahoo! and your email address appears in pointed brackets.
>
> Jean Nathan in Pool, Dorset, UK
>
>

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Re: [lace] Help

[Brenda Paternoster]

Yes Cathy , they have come through three times!

Maybe this is another example of the problems with some ISPs and the Arachne
list.

Brenda


> On 23 Mar 2016, at 09:36, Yahoo!  wrote:
>
> Please can someone tell me if the last THREE emails I have sent to Arachne
have come through, as they have not appeared in my mailbox, only my 'Sent'
box?  If they have appeared 3 times, please accept my sincere apologies as I
think I'm losing my marbles!

Brenda in Allhallows
paternos...@appleshack.com
www.brendapaternoster.co.uk

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[lace] Help

[Yahoo!]

Please can someone tell me if the last THREE emails I have sent to Arachne have 
come through, as they have not appeared in my mailbox, only my 'Sent' box?  If 
they have appeared 3 times, please accept my sincere apologies as I think I'm 
losing my marbles!
Catherine Barley Needlelace
www.catherinebarley.com

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RE: [lace] Biggins / Presencia

[The Craft Corner]

Just to let you know that there are suppliers in the UK who will be able to
supply Finca thread so you don't need to worry, it will be available.
Louise

The Craft CornerWhat's New at The Craft Corner
This Month's Project07932 747881

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[lace] APOLOGIES!!! THREADS FOR HOLLIE POINT

[Yahoo!]

PLEASE ACCEPT MY SINCERE APOLOGIES FOR THE PREVIOUS EMAIL WHICH APPEARED WITH
ONLY HALF OF MY REPLY.  I DID DELETE THE WHOLE OF JULIE'S LENGTHY EMAIL SO
DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED THERE.  I'VE GOT A NEW LAPTOP AND AM STILL LEARNING
HOW TO HAVIGATE MY WAY AROUND WINDOWS 10!  I CAN ONLY APLOGISE ONCE AGAIN FOR
MY INCOMPETENCE.
Original message
>From : catherinebar...@btinternet.com
Date :
To : jsyz...@comcast.net, lace@arachne.com
Subject : Re: [lace] thread for Hollie Point
Hi Julie
Well as you've already discovered, choice of thread for any type/style of lace
is very personal and what suits one person is no necessarily the choice of
another. Brenda Paternoster is the accepted expert on threads and if you don't
already have a copy of her invaluable little book 'Threads for Lace', I would
recommend that you get hold of a copy as soon as you can. Threads are
continually going out of production and as I worked the sample in my book with
a No 120 Copley Marshall thread that was no longer available by the time my
book was published, I suggested either a Brok cotton 160 or Egyptian cotton
120 which would give a similar result. Bearing in mind that my book was first
published in 1993, I have recently been informed by several UK lace suppliers
that Brok cotton is no longer being manufactured, so Egyptian cotton No 120 is
the recommended thread for this particular sample.
Hollie point was usually only found in baby clothing i.e bonnets or 'vests'
which presumably is why it was worked in such fine thread, as a thicker gauge
of thread would have produced a larger sample, too big to incorporate into the
crown or back of a baby bonnet or shoulders of a 'vest'. Dates were also
frequently incorporated into these works and you will notice that my pattern
No 3 also includes the date 1991! I worked this piece of Hollie Point 25 years
ago and even then I needed magnification to work it. For this very reason, I
agree with Devon that whilst most forms of needlelace are portable, Hollie
Point is not one that I would like to carry in my handbag as one needs
absolute concentration to work this very fine exacting type of lace, enabling
the worker to continually count the number of stitches required to make the
pattern work correctly and probably magnification of some kind. I would
compare it more towards the working of Filet crochet lace where the pattern is
formed by voiding (holes), rather than cross stitch, where the pattern is
formed by changes in colour of threads.
Cotton is also the most practical thread to use, rather than silk, because we
all know that baby clothes need frequent washing (sometimes boiling), as they
are naturally messy little souls and of course Gutermann 100/3 silk thread or
any other silk thread, would not be a wise choice for Hollie Point. The
Freesia No 15 needles of course are no longer available either but I use a
Sharps No 10 or No 12 for the fine net background in my Point de Gaze, which
incidentally is worked using the same twisted buttonhole stitch as the Hollie
Point and I use both Brok and Egyptian cotton for this purpose.
Hollie Point is not quite as simple as it might first appear, which is why
pattern No 1 is just a diamond within a diamond, within a diamond and worked
in a No 20 crochet cotton, making it easy for the worker to see what she is
doing by using a thicker thread and also to hopefully understand the necessity
to count the stitches required to produce the holes/voids in the correct
position. I know that most workers new to Hollie Point think that its easy
because one just makes a hole to either the left or right of the hole in the
previous row, but if one doesn't count the number of stitches between these
holes/voids, it is easy to have made a mistake by not working sufficient
STITCHES, resulting in too few LOOPS in the following row! Not all patterns
are diamonds, some are flowers in pots etc and one doesn't simply work a hole
to either the left or right of the one above, but needs to know how to work
these more complicated patterns and one can't do that if one doesn't
understand that it is necessary to make TWO STICHES into a void to form a LOOP
for the following row. Having worked this sample all those years ago, I have
never had the desire to work another!
Happy stitching
Catherine
www.catherinebarley.com
Catherine Barley Needlelace
www.catherinebarley.com

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[lace] APOLOGIES!!! Threads for Hollie Point?

[Yahoo!]

PLEASE ACCEPT MY SINCERE APOLGIES FOR THE PREVIOUS EMAIL WHICH WAS ONLY HALF
COMPLETE AND I DID DELETE ALL OF JULIE'S LENGTHY EMAIL BUT DON'T KNOW WHAT
HAPPENED THERE!  I HAVE COPIED AND PASTED MY REPLY FROM MY 'SENT' BOX' WHICH
IS HOW I EXPECTD IT TO ARRIVE ON ARACHNE.  I CAN ONLY APOLOGISE ONCE AGAIN.
Catherine
Original message
>From : catherinebar...@btinternet.com
Date :
To : jsyz...@comcast.net, lace@arachne.com
Subject : Re: [lace] thread for Hollie Point
Hi Julie
Well as you've already discovered, choice of thread for any type/style of lace
is very personal and what suits one person is no necessarily the choice of
another. Brenda Paternoster is the accepted expert on threads and if you don't
already have a copy of her invaluable little book 'Threads for Lace', I would
recommend that you get hold of a copy as soon as you can. Threads are
continually going out of production and as I worked the sample in my book with
a No 120 Copley Marshall thread that was no longer available by the time my
book was published, I suggested either a Brok cotton 160 or Egyptian cotton
120 which would give a similar result. Bearing in mind that my book was first
published in 1993, I have recently been informed by several UK lace suppliers
that Brok cotton is no longer being manufactured, so Egyptian cotton No 120 is
the recommended thread for this particular sample.
Hollie point was usually only found in baby clothing i.e bonnets or 'vests'
which presumably is why it was worked in such fine thread, as a thicker gauge
of thread would have produced a larger sample, too big to incorporate into the
crown or back of a baby bonnet or shoulders of a 'vest'. Dates were also
frequently incorporated into these works and you will notice that my pattern
No 3 also includes the date 1991! I worked this piece of Hollie Point 25 years
ago and even then I needed magnification to work it. For this very reason, I
agree with Devon that whilst most forms of needlelace are portable, Hollie
Point is not one that I would like to carry in my handbag as one needs
absolute concentration to work this very fine exacting type of lace, enabling
the worker to continually count the number of stitches required to make the
pattern work correctly and probably magnification of some kind. I would
compare it more towards the working of Filet crochet lace where the pattern is
formed by voiding (holes), rather than cross stitch, where the pattern is
formed by changes in colour of threads.
Cotton is also the most practical thread to use, rather than silk, because we
all know that baby clothes need frequent washing (sometimes boiling), as they
are naturally messy little souls and of course Gutermann 100/3 silk thread or
any other silk thread, would not be a wise choice for Hollie Point. The
Freesia No 15 needles of course are no longer available either but I use a
Sharps No 10 or No 12 for the fine net background in my Point de Gaze, which
incidentally is worked using the same twisted buttonhole stitch as the Hollie
Point and I use both Brok and Egyptian cotton for this purpose.
Hollie Point is not quite as simple as it might first appear, which is why
pattern No 1 is just a diamond within a diamond, within a diamond and worked
in a No 20 crochet cotton, making it easy for the worker to see what she is
doing by using a thicker thread and also to hopefully understand the necessity
to count the stitches required to produce the holes/voids in the correct
position. I know that most workers new to Hollie Point think that its easy
because one just makes a hole to either the left or right of the hole in the
previous row, but if one doesn't count the number of stitches between these
holes/voids, it is easy to have made a mistake by not working sufficient
STITCHES, resulting in too few LOOPS in the following row! Not all patterns
are diamonds, some are flowers in pots etc and one doesn't simply work a hole
to either the left or right of the one above, but needs to know how to work
these more complicated patterns and one can't do that if one doesn't
understand that it is necessary to make TWO STICHES into a void to form a LOOP
for the following row. Having worked this sample all those years ago, I have
never had the desire to work another!
Happy stitching
Catherine
www.catherinebarley.com


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[lace] APOLOGIES!!!!! Threads for Hollie Point

[Yahoo!]

PLEASE ACCEPT MY SINCERE APOLGIES AS I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED HERE  I
DID DELETE THE WHOLE OF JULIE'S LENGHTY EMAIL AND ONLY PART OF MY REPLY
APPEARED TOO, SO AM SENDING AGAIN AS IT APPEARS IN MY 'sent items' BOX.  I CAN
ONLY APOLOGISE ONCE AGAIN AND HOPE THAT THIS TIME IT WILL ARRIV AS INTEDED!
Catherine
Original message
>From : catherinebar...@btinternet.com
Date :
To : jsyz...@comcast.net, lace@arachne.com
Subject : Re: [lace] thread for Hollie Point
Hi Julie
Well as you've already discovered, choice of thread for any type/style of lace
is very personal and what suits one person is no necessarily the choice of
another. Brenda Paternoster is the accepted expert on threads and if you don't
already have a copy of her invaluable little book 'Threads for Lace', I would
recommend that you get hold of a copy as soon as you can. Threads are
continually going out of production and as I worked the sample in my book with
a No 120 Copley Marshall thread that was no longer available by the time my
book was published, I suggested either a Brok cotton 160 or Egyptian cotton
120 which would give a similar result. Bearing in mind that my book was first
published in 1993, I have recently been informed by several UK lace suppliers
that Brok cotton is no longer being manufactured, so Egyptian cotton No 120 is
the recommended thread for this particular sample.
Hollie point was usually only found in baby clothing i.e bonnets or 'vests'
which presumably is why it was worked in such fine thread, as a thicker gauge
of thread would have produced a larger sample, too big to incorporate into the
crown or back of a baby bonnet or shoulders of a 'vest'. Dates were also
frequently incorporated into these works and you will notice that my pattern
No 3 also includes the date 1991! I worked this piece of Hollie Point 25 years
ago and even then I needed magnification to work it. For this very reason, I
agree with Devon that whilst most forms of needlelace are portable, Hollie
Point is not one that I would like to carry in my handbag as one needs
absolute concentration to work this very fine exacting type of lace, enabling
the worker to continually count the number of stitches required to make the
pattern work correctly and probably magnification of some kind. I would
compare it more towards the working of Filet crochet lace where the pattern is
formed by voiding (holes), rather than cross stitch, where the pattern is
formed by changes in colour of threads.
Cotton is also the most practical thread to use, rather than silk, because we
all know that baby clothes need frequent washing (sometimes boiling), as they
are naturally messy little souls and of course Gutermann 100/3 silk thread or
any other silk thread, would not be a wise choice for Hollie Point. The
Freesia No 15 needles of course are no longer available either but I use a
Sharps No 10 or No 12 for the fine net background in my Point de Gaze, which
incidentally is worked using the same twisted buttonhole stitch as the Hollie
Point and I use both Brok and Egyptian cotton for this purpose.
Hollie Point is not quite as simple as it might first appear, which is why
pattern No 1 is just a diamond within a diamond, within a diamond and worked
in a No 20 crochet cotton, making it easy for the worker to see what she is
doing by using a thicker thread and also to hopefully understand the necessity
to count the stitches required to produce the holes/voids in the correct
position. I know that most workers new to Hollie Point think that its easy
because one just makes a hole to either the left or right of the hole in the
previous row, but if one doesn't count the number of stitches between these
holes/voids, it is easy to have made a mistake by not working sufficient
STITCHES, resulting in too few LOOPS in the following row! Not all patterns
are diamonds, some are flowers in pots etc and one doesn't simply work a hole
to either the left or right of the one above, but needs to know how to work
these more complicated patterns and one can't do that if one doesn't
understand that it is necessary to make TWO STICHES into a void to form a LOOP
for the following row. Having worked this sample all those years ago, I have
never had the desire to work another!
Happy stitching
Catherine
www.catherinnebarley.com

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Fwd: [lace] thread for Hollie Point

[Yahoo!]

Catherine Barley Needlelace
www.catherinebarley.com

Original message
>From : catherinebar...@btinternet.com
Date : 23/03/2016 - 08:35 (GMTST)
To : lace@arachne.com
Subject : Fwd: [lace] thread for Hollie Point

WELL HERE'S THE EMAIL I'M FORWARDING FROM MY 'sent items' WHICH IS THE ONE I 
THOUGHT YOU WOULD ALL RECEIVE!  I have no idea what happened and can only 
apologise once again.

Catherine

Original message
>From : catherinebar...@btinternet.com
Date : 
To : jsyz...@comcast.net, lace@arachne.com
Subject : Re: [lace] thread for Hollie Point

Hi Julie

Well as you've already discovered, choice of thread for any type/style of lace 
is very personal and what suits one person is no necessarily the choice of 
another.  Brenda Paternoster is the accepted expert on threads and if you don't 
already have a copy of her invaluable little book 'Threads for Lace', I would 
recommend that you get hold of a copy as soon as you can.  Threads are 
continually going out of production and as I worked the sample in my book with 
a No 120 Copley Marshall thread that was no longer available by the time my 
book was published, I suggested either a Brok cotton 160 or Egyptian cotton 120 
which would give a similar result.  Bearing in mind that my book was first 
published in 1993, I have recently been informed by several UK lace suppliers 
that Brok cotton is no longer being manufactured, so Egyptian cotton No 120 is 
the recommended thread for this particular sample.

Hollie point was usually only found in baby clothing i.e bonnets or 'vests' 
which presumably is why it was worked in such fine thread, as a thicker gauge 
of thread would have produced a larger sample, too big to incorporate into the 
crown or back of a baby bonnet or shoulders of a 'vest'.  Dates were also 
frequently incorporated into these works and you will notice that my pattern No 
3 also includes the date 1991!  I worked this piece of Hollie Point 25 years 
ago and even then I needed magnification to work it.  For this very reason, I 
agree with Devon that whilst most forms of needlelace are portable, Hollie 
Point is not one that I would like to carry in my handbag as one needs absolute 
concentration to work this very fine exacting type of lace, enabling the worker 
to continually count the number of stitches required to make the pattern work 
correctly and probably magnification of some kind.  I would compare it more 
towards the working of Filet crochet lace where the patter!
 n is formed by voiding (holes), rather than cross stitch, where the pattern is 
formed by changes in colour of threads.

Cotton is also the most practical thread to use, rather than silk, because we 
all know that baby clothes need frequent washing (sometimes boiling), as they 
are naturally messy little souls and of course Gutermann 100/3 silk thread or 
any other silk thread, would not be a wise choice for  Hollie Point.  The 
Freesia No 15 needles of course are no longer available either but I use a 
Sharps No 10 or No 12 for the fine net background in my Point de Gaze, which 
incidentally is worked using the same twisted buttonhole stitch as the Hollie 
Point and I use both Brok and Egyptian cotton for this purpose.

Hollie Point is not quite as simple as it might first appear, which is why 
pattern No 1 is just a diamond within a diamond, within a diamond and worked in 
a No 20 crochet cotton, making it easy for the worker to see what she is doing 
by using a thicker thread and also to hopefully understand the necessity to 
count the stitches required to produce the holes/voids in the correct position. 
 I know that most workers new to Hollie Point think that its easy because one 
just makes a hole to either the left or right of the hole in the previous row, 
but if one doesn't count the number of stitches between these holes/voids, it 
is easy to have made a mistake by not working sufficient STITCHES, resulting in 
too few LOOPS in the following row!   Not all patterns are diamonds, some are 
flowers in pots etc and one doesn't simply work a hole to either the left or 
right of the one above, but needs to know how to work these more complicated 
patterns and one can't do that if one doesn't unders!
 tand that it is necessary to make TWO STICHES into a void to form a LOOP for 
the following row.  Having worked this sample all those years ago, I have never 
had the desire to work another!

Happy stitching

Catherine Barley
www.catherinebarley.com

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[lace] APOLOGIES!!!!

[Yahoo!]

Oh dear I'm so sorry.  I just don't know what has happened here as I did delete 
the whole of Julie's lengthy email about threads for Hollie Point and only half 
of my reply has appeared in my mail box!  Please accept my sincere apologies 
for this error and I hope the correct complete email that has taken me ages to 
type, will appear.  I have a new lap top and am still trying to navigate my way 
around Windows 10!
Catherine 
Catherine Barley Needlelace
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Fwd: [lace] thread for Hollie Point

[Yahoo!]

Original message
>From : catherinebar...@btinternet.com
Date : 
To : jsyz...@comcast.net, lace@arachne.com
Subject : Re: [lace] thread for Hollie Point

Hi Julie

Well as you've already discovered, choice of thread for any type/style of lace 
is very personal and what suits one person is no necessarily the choice of 
another.  Brenda Paternoster is the accepted expert on threads and if you don't 
already have a copy of her invaluable little book 'Threads for Lace', I would 
recommend that you get hold of a copy as soon as you can.  Threads are 
continually going out of production and as I worked the sample in my book with 
a No 120 Copley Marshall thread that was no longer available by the time my 
book was published, I suggested either a Brok cotton 160 or Egyptian cotton 120 
which would give a similar result.  Bearing in mind that my book was first 
published in 1993, I have recently been informed by several UK lace suppliers 
that Brok cotton is no longer being manufactured, so Egyptian cotton No 120 is 
the recommended thread for this particular sample.

Hollie point was usually only found in baby clothing i.e bonnets or 'vests' 
which presumably is why it was worked in such fine thread, as a thicker gauge 
of thread would have produced a larger sample, too big to incorporate into the 
crown or back of a baby bonnet or shoulders of a 'vest'.  Dates were also 
frequently incorporated into these works and you will notice that my pattern No 
3 also includes the date 1991!  I worked this piece of Hollie Point 25 years 
ago and even then I needed magnification to work it.  For this very reason, I 
agree with Devon that whilst most forms of needlelace are portable, Hollie 
Point is not one that I would like to carry in my handbag as one needs absolute 
concentration to work this very fine exacting type of lace, enabling the worker 
to continually count the number of stitches required to make the pattern work 
correctly and probably magnification of some kind.  I would compare it more 
towards the working of Filet crochet lace where the patter!
 n is formed by voiding (holes), rather than cross stitch, where the pattern is 
formed by changes in colour of threads.

Cotton is also the most practical thread to use, rather than silk, because we 
all know that baby clothes need frequent washing (sometimes boiling), as they 
are naturally messy little souls and of course Gutermann 100/3 silk thread or 
any other silk thread, would not be a wise choice for  Hollie Point.  The 
Freesia No 15 needles of course are no longer available either but I use a 
Sharps No 10 or No 12 for the fine net background in my Point de Gaze, which 
incidentally is worked using the same twisted buttonhole stitch as the Hollie 
Point and I use both Brok and Egyptian cotton for this purpose.

Hollie Point is not quite as simple as it might first appear, which is why 
pattern No 1 is just a diamond within a diamond, within a diamond and worked in 
a No 20 crochet cotton, making it easy for the worker to see what she is doing 
by using a thicker thread and also to hopefully understand the necessity to 
count the stitches required to produce the holes/voids in the correct position. 
 I know that most workers new to Hollie Point think that its easy because one 
just makes a hole to either the left or right of the hole in the previous row, 
but if one doesn't count the number of stitches between these holes/voids, it 
is easy to have made a mistake by not working sufficient STITCHES, resulting in 
too few LOOPS in the following row!   Not all patterns are diamonds, some are 
flowers in pots etc and one doesn't simply work a hole to either the left or 
right of the one above, but needs to know how to work these more complicated 
patterns and one can't do that if one doesn't unders!
 tand that it is necessary to make TWO STICHES into a void to form a LOOP for 
the following row.  Having worked this sample all those years ago, I have never 
had the desire to work another!

Happy stitching

Catherine Barley
www.catherinebarley.com

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RE: [lace] need help with one-liner

[Jeanette Fischer]

I think Tamara Duvall originally posted this poem

When God made man, He made him out of string
He had a little left, so He left a thing
When God made woman, He made her out of lace
He did not have enough, so He left a space.

Jeanette Fischer, Western Cape, South Africa.



I really need help with finding a new humorous one or two liner or maybe a
short poem concerning lace makers for an upcoming project I have in mind for
a
friend who could really do with a lift.  We all know the one about lace
makers
do it on pillows.  Is there anything different? Thanks.  Sharon

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