[lace] Sewing out

[lacel...@frontier.com]

Thanks, Beverly, for sending me the original message.  I now know that it's
more the last ending threads rather than threads in and out of the main part
of the lace.
Please -- don't use glue on fine lace.
The ending threads -- something we all have to learn to deal with.  A square
knot is usually used to tie off threads.  I have seen (and used0 the triple
knot only on the last 2 threads.  Then.
You can be a practical traditionalist and trim off the last threads and just
leave the ends.  I have seen this in many pictures of laces in books out of
northern Europe.
Or -- You can be a perfectionist and hide those ends by sewing them back into
the lace, following the lines of the lace.  Yes, it's finicky.  And takes
some practice to learn how to best hide that extra thread.
If you explore some of the Finishing books available, you can find some
methods using magic threads that pull the ends back into the lace.  They take
a bit of planning.  Russian Lace has a method of pulling the threads back
into the trail without knots.  I have seen it diagrammed out but don't
remember which books show it.
Be brave and keep practicing.  You will eventually think it no harder than
doing it in the knitting and crochet.
Alice in Oregon -- resting after demo-ing two days in the heat at Harvest
Fest.where I actually made 2 square inches of lace between talking to
people.  They gave us a free lunch for out efforts.   That was nice of
them.

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Re: [lace] Sewing Out

[J Reardon]

While we are on the topic of sewing out, I'd like to ask a question. When 
ending a project, I tie a square knot and sometimes another knot, so there are 
3 half hitches, with each pair, as I've read that is what should be done. The 
knots have length to them, though I want them to be snug to the piece and 
invisible. Each half hitch makes a longer tail. Is that normal or am I doing 
something wrong?

Jean Reardon,  Mercer PA
Where at least it isn't as hot as D.C.

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[lace] Sewing Out - Anchoring threads

[lacel...@frontier.com]

I cannot find the starting message of this series of messages, but it seems
like someone is wanting to put glue on threads ends in a piece of lacewhen
pairs are frequently added and removed..
I don't want hard spots that may turn color in something I've worked many
hours making.  I've never had a thread pull out of something that had threads
added and removed. I anchor the threads when starting in a tight stitch or
with gimp.  A looped pair is easy because it can be looped around another
pair or thread and a pin. If I have two single threads, I tie them and pin the
knot above the place needed.  Enclose the threads in a tightly made pin
stitch.   When ending, I make sure the loose ends go through a firmly
tensioned stitch.  Throw back the bobbins.    Soon, I cut off the bobbins
leaving several inches of thread ends, which are trimmed neatly after the lace
is out of pins.
When I say "go through" a stitch, I mean that I'm using two other pairs to
make the stitch with the new threads being caught tightly in the stitch.  I
may not always do it exactly the same, but here is an example of laying in two
single threads.  I've never seen this in a book so the traditionalists may
want to scold me.
Lay new pair to one side of the stitch pairs.  Make the first part of the
stitch with the two stitch pairs (CTC)   Weave the new pair through both
stitch pairs, twist new pair once at the end.  Insert pin. Tension.  Weave
the new threads  CTC back through both stitch pairs.  Then close the stitch
CTC with the stitch pairs.  Tension firmly.  The new threads should be well
anchored within the stitch so they cannot casually pull out..
 Alice in Oregon -- where it's hot and getting hotter this week.

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Re: [lace] Sewing Out

[Vivienne Walton]

Hi, I have been using fray check for nearly 40 years but as Joepie says, do a 
double knot on each pair. Dip a pin in the Fray check bottle and just touch the 
middle of each knot individually. Leave strictly alone, about 30 minutes, 
before touching it. My lace was going out to up to 31 shows ( Bigginslace) a 
year and not one piece has discoloured. Vivienne 

> On 15 Aug 2016, at 20:11, J-D Hammett  wrote:
> 
> Hi fellow Arachnids,
> 
> Any glue /head cement (whatever that is) or other chemical compounds should
> not be used on lace that you want to treasure for a long time. It will stain
> your lace The tiniest bit of a glue such as Fray Check picked up on the end of
> a pin might just be used on the knots of lace which will be used  and washed
> regularly (such as lace on a T-shirt).
> 
> Please try to learn to knot off properly and where necessary and it is at all
> possible sew the threads back into the lace.
> 
> In very fine laces the threads from bobbins taken out in densely worked areas
> can frequently be just thrown out and later cut close without even knotting
> it.
> 
> Joepie, Sussex, UK
> 
> 
> 
> From: Bev Walker
> Sent: 15 August 2016 19:07
> To: Dan Brooks
> Cc: Lace
> Subject: Re: [lace] Sewing Out
> 
> Hello Dan and everyone
> 
> I'd say give it a try! There are water-based as well as the lacquer-based
> head cements, yes?
> Ether way, I don't think very much is needed to secure the thread end, the
> tiniest of dabs, and shouldn't affect the rest of the lace.
> 
> Other items used in fly-tying and -fishing that are handy for lacemaking
> include -
> - hackle pliers to grab a very short thread end, such as when a bobbin
> thread breaks and we need to tie in a new thread
> - leader line for an excellent reusable magic thread,a sewing out aid in
> itself
> - the fly tying vice for a third hand when required
> - monofilament instead of wire for spangling
> and
> - I like the tools for dealing with split rings when making markers for
> knitting
> 
> This just might be the solution (pun intended) to the joins coming apart in
> a large lace ornament I made.
> off to raid someone's fly-tying kit (again)
> 
> Why not use head cement after tying the knot?
>> .
>> Thoughts?
> --
> Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of
> Canada
> 
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RE: [lace] Sewing Out

[J-D Hammett]

Hi fellow Arachnids,

Any glue /head cement (whatever that is) or other chemical compounds should
not be used on lace that you want to treasure for a long time. It will stain
your lace The tiniest bit of a glue such as Fray Check picked up on the end of
a pin might just be used on the knots of lace which will be used  and washed
regularly (such as lace on a T-shirt).

Please try to learn to knot off properly and where necessary and it is at all
possible sew the threads back into the lace.

In very fine laces the threads from bobbins taken out in densely worked areas
can frequently be just thrown out and later cut close without even knotting
it.

Joepie, Sussex, UK



From: Bev Walker
Sent: 15 August 2016 19:07
To: Dan Brooks
Cc: Lace
Subject: Re: [lace] Sewing Out

Hello Dan and everyone

I'd say give it a try! There are water-based as well as the lacquer-based
head cements, yes?
Ether way, I don't think very much is needed to secure the thread end, the
tiniest of dabs, and shouldn't affect the rest of the lace.

Other items used in fly-tying and -fishing that are handy for lacemaking
include -
- hackle pliers to grab a very short thread end, such as when a bobbin
thread breaks and we need to tie in a new thread
- leader line for an excellent reusable magic thread,a sewing out aid in
itself
- the fly tying vice for a third hand when required
- monofilament instead of wire for spangling
and
- I like the tools for dealing with split rings when making markers for
knitting

This just might be the solution (pun intended) to the joins coming apart in
a large lace ornament I made.
off to raid someone's fly-tying kit (again)

Why not use head cement after tying the knot?
> .
> Thoughts?
>
>
--
Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of
Canada

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Re: [lace] Sewing Out

[Bev Walker]

Hello Dan and everyone

I'd say give it a try! There are water-based as well as the lacquer-based
head cements, yes?
Ether way, I don't think very much is needed to secure the thread end, the
tiniest of dabs, and shouldn't affect the rest of the lace.

Other items used in fly-tying and -fishing that are handy for lacemaking
include -
- hackle pliers to grab a very short thread end, such as when a bobbin
thread breaks and we need to tie in a new thread
- leader line for an excellent reusable magic thread,a sewing out aid in
itself
- the fly tying vice for a third hand when required
- monofilament instead of wire for spangling
and
- I like the tools for dealing with split rings when making markers for
knitting

This just might be the solution (pun intended) to the joins coming apart in
a large lace ornament I made.
off to raid someone's fly-tying kit (again)

Why not use head cement after tying the knot?
> .
> Thoughts?
>
>
-- 
Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of
Canada

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Re: [lace] Sewing Out

[Adele Shaak]

I’d be a worried that the oil in this head cement would penetrate the lace 
further than the spot where you put it. Oil changes the colour of natural 
fibres - I’ve damaged dozens of T-shirts when a small drop of oil turned into a 
nickel-sized stain! You can scrub a T-shirt and use stain removers on it, but 
that sort of heavy intervention would damage lace.

Plus I don’t want hard spots here and there in my lace. I’ve never seen head 
cement, but it doesn’t sound soft and pliable to me.

When I first started lacemaking, and was using thicker threads, I would put a 
dab of fabric glue on each knot. Those dabs, though the glue was advertised as 
clear and non-staining, turned deep amber colour within a couple of years. I no 
longer use anything on my lace that won’t rinse out. 

Usually by the time a lacemaker is making the finer laces where threads are 
added and taken out, they have absolutely no problem with ends. There are many 
techniques - you can run them into dense cloth stitch and then just clip close 
to the surface, you can run them for a while with the gimp and then clip off - 
there are whole books devoted to these tricks!

Hope this helps.

Adele
West Vancouver, BC
(west coast of Canada)


> Why not use head cement after tying the knot? ...
> 
> … I can see where this might not be necessary with a five pair tape lace, but 
> it
> certainly might be nice with some of the more complex high pair count laces,
> especially with those that require frequent adding and removing of additional
> pairs throughout the work.
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> Dan in DC being parboiled daily.
> calt...@yahoo.com

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RE: [lace] luck to my lace pillow?

[J-D Hammett]

I am so glad you helped her back where she belongs after enjoying her company.
So many would just have squashed her even at that size. Well done!

Joepie.



From: Nancy Neff
Sent: 14 August 2016 23:54
To: Arachne
Subject: [lace] luck to my lace pillow?

I must tell someone about this. I had a visit this afternoon from the
tiniest spider I've ever seen--her body is the size of the head of a lace
pin (not a glass-headed pin but a regular lace pin), She walked all over
the lace I was working on, climbing up individual pins and weaving through
the forest of pins. She even spun a tiny web between a pair of pins farther
apart than the rest, out by themselves because I'd already removed the pins
around them. I couldn't see the web but I could tell it was there because
she'd walk from one of the pins to other through thin air between them.
After about a hour of keeping me company while I continued to make lace,
she started for the edge of the pillow, so I had her walk up on my
fingernail and transferred her to a windowsill.

I think I was visited by Arachne herself and I shall have luck on that
pillow!

Nancy
bemused in Connecticut, USA

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