[lace] Walter Evans and Co.'s Mecklenburg thread No. 20

[Joseph Young]

Hi all in the arachne web.

I am looking for an equivalent for this thread, Walter Evans and Co.'s 
Mecklenburg thread No. 20. It is mentioned in many old books I have read 
online. I would love a WPC equivalent if possible. I would love to know what 
type of thread it is too, like a mercerized or glazed cotton.

Regards,  Joseph

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Re: [lace] Threading needles

[Joseph Young]

This is the same way i was taught (not in the 50's though, but the 
person who taught me learned in that era).

I am going to invest in a Bohin threader (what my quilting guild use) 
and a clover "yarn needle threader" for size 24,26,28 tapestry needles. 
These seem to be the crowd favorites.

Joseph .


> To easily thread most needles, lay a length of thread over the shaft of the 
> needle & pull sharply, grasping both thread ends firmly between thumb & 
> forefinger.  Slide the crisply folded thread off the shaft & lay the eye of 
> the needle over the fold you are pinching.  If the thread doesn’t pop up thru 
> the eye, flip the needle over & try the other side.
>
> My mother taught us this and said it was the way a blind person could thread 
> a needle (that was back in the 50s)!!

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[lace] Re: [lace] Re: [lace] Threading Needles with Pearl /Perlé Thread

[Bobbi Donnelly]

Thanks for the directions! I do enjoy Jeri's notes.
bobbi

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From: Lin Hudren

Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 3:11 PM
To: Jeri Ames
Cc: Arachne ; David C COLLYER ; Susan
Subject: [lace] Re: [lace] Threading Needles with Pearl /Perlé Thread

I was sent these directions by a member of the Arachne group (sorry i
didn't make a note of your name) which i did and they have worked to make
sure that all of Jeri's postings come directly to me in gmail.

i hope this might help others.  i have sent it as mention has appeared but
it seems that there is still a conflict. 



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Re: [lace] Left or right sewing edge

[Cynce Williams]

I learned from Southard and topped it off with Pamela Nottingham. I’ll do 
footside wherever. I also totally freak out teachers with the way I do picots.

Cynthia

On Dec 12, 2017, at 3:53 PM, Lorelei Halley  wrote:

> Susie
> I learned from Doris Southard's book, and as a result have always worked
> with the footside on the left. But if I am trying to follow a Bucks diagram
> I may set up in the English manner so my pillow matches the diagram.
> Lorelei
> ---
> Just a reminder that Doris Southard's book LESSONS IN BOBBIN LACEMAKING
> (DOVER,  1977).  In her introduction she explains that she learned her
> lacing skills from books. ... I believe the method she used is called the
> Continental Method?
> 
> Susie Johnson
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[lace] Spain's rare Frisado Lace

[Jeri Ames]

Susan Hottle mentioned this lace under Subject of Christmas today.  It won't
be found in the Arachne archives that way.
 
"I realized that I had neglected to post my little wreath. After taking a
Frisado class from Carolyn Wetzel at Ithaca, I played around with the #4 gold
passing thread & Gutermann silks when I got home .. The bow is brick stitch &
made with Delicas. Frisado is a Spanish needlelace that features loops of gold
passing thread in various sizes, spacing & density. It is light as a feather &
lends itself to jewelry & ornaments. The wreath has a 28 gauge wire rim to
give it stability. Susan Hottle USA"
 
Jeri continues: In the Summer Bulletin 2017 of International Organization of
Lace, Vol. 37, Number 4 - starting on page 24, there is a 9-page article by
Devon that tells the story of her Lace Study trip to Spain with other lace
makers, some of whom just happen to subscribe to Arachne.  Title - Spanish
Enchantment: a Traveling Band of American Lacemakers in Search of Frisado.
 The number of surviving examples of this lace is limited, and they are
difficult to chase down.  Color photos on each page, and a fair share of
adventure.  Readers interested in 16th C. needle laces made with colored
silks and with gold thread will find this most interesting, if they neglected
to read it.
 
For non-members of IOLI, little can be found by Searching G**gl*
 
There was a class in Spain, and a photograph can be seen on the new Brooklyn
Lace Guild's Facebook of a result.  The class used silver thread, instead of
gold.
 
https://www.facebook.com/brooklynlaceguild/photos/a.1206709746018865.10737418
28.1197959496893890/1603478296342006/?type=3 
 
If you do not want to join Facebook, click Not Now on the sign-up page.
 
Jeri Ames in Maine USA
Lace and Embroidery Resource Center

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Re: [lace] Merry Christmas on Flickr!

[Sue Babbs]

Susan

The frisado wreath looks magnificent.

I'm sure your friend will enjoy the lovely earrings too.  You have been so 
busy this year with so many lace techniques


Sue

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Re: [lace] Merry Christmas on Flickr!

[Susan]

If our class in Ithaca is any indication, there will be plenty of students in 
the USA who will want to make this lace!  Susan 

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> On Dec 12, 2017, at 4:51 PM, Maria Greil  wrote:
> 
> Nice to know that frisado is being so far from Spain 
> María 

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RE: [lace] Left or right sewing edge

[Lorelei Halley]

Susie
I learned from Doris Southard's book, and as a result have always worked
with the footside on the left. But if I am trying to follow a Bucks diagram
I may set up in the English manner so my pillow matches the diagram.
Lorelei
---
Just a reminder that Doris Southard's book LESSONS IN BOBBIN LACEMAKING
(DOVER,  1977).  In her introduction she explains that she learned her
lacing skills from books. ... I believe the method she used is called the
Continental Method?

Susie Johnson

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Re: [lace] Merry Christmas on Flickr!

[Maria Greil]

Nice to know that frisado is being so far from Spain
María

El 12/12/2017 22:36,  escribió:

I took a brief rest from my Rosaline adventures to make a pair of earrings
from the Lace Guild UK free online pattern, designed by Jean Leader.  They
were fun to make & I posted a photo to Flickr.  The thread is Stef Francis
fine & the beads are 15*.  I hope my friend who does not have pierced ears
will enjoy them!  Then I realized that I had neglected to post my little
wreath.  After taking a Frisado class from Carolyn Wetzel at Ithaca, I
played around with the #4 gold passing thread & Gutermann silks when I got
home.  The little wreath was a big hit with a friend in Ohio.  The bow is
brick stitch & made with Delicas.  Frisado is a Spanish needlelace that
features loops of gold passing thread in various sizes, spacing & density.
It is light as a feather & lends itself to jewelry & ornaments.  The wreath
has a 28 gauge wire rim to give it stability.  Sincerely, Susan Hottle USA

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RE: [lace] Footside on left or right?

[Lorelei Halley]

Janice
Interesting theory!
Lorelei

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Subject: [lace] Footside on left or right?

The question of why the footside of yardage lace is either on the right
(mainly English laces) or on the left (mainly European continent laces)
... answer other than the Brits do everything the other way around from
their continental cousins.
So my theory is that when the Mechlin and Lille lacemakers fled to England ,
they either took rubbings of their prickings or allowed rubbings to be taken
from their prickings in their new country and the quickest and easiest way
to make up these designs was to change the side of the footside.
Janis in South Africa

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[lace] Merry Christmas on Flickr!

[hottleco]

I took a brief rest from my Rosaline adventures to make a pair of earrings from 
the Lace Guild UK free online pattern, designed by Jean Leader.  They were fun 
to make & I posted a photo to Flickr.  The thread is Stef Francis fine & the 
beads are 15*.  I hope my friend who does not have pierced ears will enjoy 
them!  Then I realized that I had neglected to post my little wreath.  After 
taking a Frisado class from Carolyn Wetzel at Ithaca, I played around with the 
#4 gold passing thread & Gutermann silks when I got home.  The little wreath 
was a big hit with a friend in Ohio.  The bow is brick stitch & made with 
Delicas.  Frisado is a Spanish needlelace that features loops of gold passing 
thread in various sizes, spacing & density.  It is light as a feather & lends 
itself to jewelry & ornaments.  The wreath has a 28 gauge wire rim to give it 
stability.  Sincerely, Susan Hottle USA  

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[lace] threading Perle cotton in a needle

[hottleco]

Jeri, I didn't mention your method because I failed to launch on that 
technique!  Despite much coaching & many tries, I was unable to reliably thread 
a needle with thicker threads.  Perhaps your way is rocket science!  Sincerely, 
Susan Hottle USA  

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[lace] Re: [lace] Threading Needles with Pearl /Perlé Thread

[Lin Hudren]

I was sent these directions by a member of the Arachne group (sorry i
didn't make a note of your name) which i did and they have worked to make
sure that all of Jeri's postings come directly to me in gmail.

i hope this might help others.  i have sent it as mention has appeared but
it seems that there is still a conflict.

set up for [lace] not to go to spam
To set up a filter in Gmail:
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5) a number of options for how you can filter will appear. Select Subject:
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should do it.


Hugs, Lin and the Mali



On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 10:51 AM, Jeri Ames  wrote:

> (A blind carbon copy was sent to 9 users of Gmail, because my AOL does not
> clear through the Arachne server to them.  If you are using the Digest form
> of Arachne, and you received this directly from me, please let me know so
> I'll not keep you on list to receive a bcc.)
>
> David, you made a valid point.  Back in the 1950s those of us who were
> around then learned these things at home or in Home Economics classes.  For
> decades, Home Ec usually has not been offered to students in the U.S. and
> probably in other nations.  Younger Arachne members probably never learned
> the basics of sewing.
>
> Susan Hottle's direction to fold thread over a needle's shank and force
> the pinched fold through the needle eye works well, but not for all threads
> - sometimes a fold can be too bulky.  No need to make a paper threader for
> Pearl cotton and similar threads.  The following is repeated for Arachne
> newbies.
>
> An embroidery tour of Scotland in the 1980s included a day at the Coats
> and Clarks manufacturing facility, where patterns were developed and made
> up for photography and promotion.  We were talking in the coach, and the
> public relations woman from C and C had never learned how to swiftly thread
> Pearl cotton into a needle.  I showed her, and she began to dance in the
> aisle.  That was a good lesson - it proved thread manufacturing experts
> sometimes do not know how their products are used.
>
> Directions for any thread similar to Pearl cotton / Coton perlé.  Fold the
> thread end over the soft pad of index finger of non-dominant hand and hold
> beneath (along with thread from spool) semi-firmly with thumb and middle
> finger.  With dominant hand, align needle north / south with the thread and
> rub the polished side eye of needle against until the thread pops through.
> This may take 3 tries to perfect how tightly the thread must be held and
> then released, but you will never forget.  No more spit or biting thread to
> make it squeeze through eye.
>
>
> If you and others make needle lace or forms of embroidery like Hardanger
> with Pearl cotton, please teach threading to them.  You will all dance.
>
> Jeri Ames in Maine USA
> Lace and Embroidery Resource Center
>
> In a message dated 12/12/2017 9:46:33 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> dccoll...@ncable.net.au writes:
>
> My mother taught us this and said it was the way a blind person could
> thread a needle (that was back in the 50s)!!David in Ballarat, AU
>
>

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Re: [lace] Threading Needles with Pearl /Perlé Thread

[Jeri Ames]

(A blind carbon copy was sent to 9 users of Gmail, because my AOL does not
clear through the Arachne server to them.  If you are using the Digest form
of Arachne, and you received this directly from me, please let me know so I'll
not keep you on list to receive a bcc.)
 
David, you made a valid point.  Back in the 1950s those of us who were around
then learned these things at home or in Home Economics classes.  For decades,
Home Ec usually has not been offered to students in the U.S. and probably in
other nations.  Younger Arachne members probably never learned the basics of
sewing.
 
Susan Hottle's direction to fold thread over a needle's shank and force the
pinched fold through the needle eye works well, but not for all threads -
sometimes a fold can be too bulky.  No need to make a paper threader for
Pearl cotton and similar threads.  The following is repeated for Arachne
newbies.   
 
An embroidery tour of Scotland in the 1980s included a day at the Coats and
Clarks manufacturing facility, where patterns were developed and made up for
photography and promotion.  We were talking in the coach, and the public
relations woman from C and C had never learned how to swiftly thread Pearl
cotton into a needle.  I showed her, and she began to dance in the aisle.
 That was a good lesson - it proved thread manufacturing experts sometimes do
not know how their products are used.  
 
Directions for any thread similar to Pearl cotton / Coton perlé.  Fold the
thread end over the soft pad of index finger of non-dominant hand and hold
beneath (along with thread from spool) semi-firmly with thumb and middle
finger.  With dominant hand, align needle north / south with the thread and
rub the polished side eye of needle against until the thread pops through.
 This may take 3 tries to perfect how tightly the thread must be held and
then released, but you will never forget.  No more spit or biting thread to
make it squeeze through eye.  
 
 
If you and others make needle lace or forms of embroidery like Hardanger with
Pearl cotton, please teach threading to them.  You will all dance.
 
Jeri Ames in Maine USA
Lace and Embroidery Resource Center
 
In a message dated 12/12/2017 9:46:33 AM Eastern Standard Time,
dccoll...@ncable.net.au writes:

 
My mother taught us this and said it was the way a blind person could thread a
needle (that was back in the 50s)!!    David in Ballarat, AU

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[lace] Threading needles

[C Johnson]

Good afternoon lacers,

I believe even the sewing machine needles are one directional while threading. 
Else why would they have a flat side to put again the post.
My mother taught me early on to find the right side of the needle to thread 
into, and to thread the cut end of the thread into the needle first.

My only change to that is, the spinning methods of the thread companies 
nowadays make it unnecessary to worry about which end you are threading through 
the needle.
I do agree with the ways to sit the spool on the spindle to sew. But therein is 
another topic for a sewing machine blog.

Susie Johnson,
Illinois

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[lace] Left or right sewing edge

[C Johnson]

Hello all,

 

Just a reminder that Doris Southard's book LESSONS IN BOBBIN LACEMAKING
(DOVER,  1977).  In her introduction she explains that she learned her
lacing skills from books.

What she learned she taught to others.  Have you noticed she teaches Sewing
Edge to the left? 

 

In fact a few lacemakers I have met also work the same as Ms. Southard
taught. because her bobbin movements are also reversed.

I believe the method she used is called the Continental Method?

 

Susie Johnson
in Illinois where the cold air is moving in way to fast for me.

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[lace] Winding Idrija bobbins

[lacel...@frontier.com]

A lace friend makes lots of Idrija lace on a bolster.  She said that when she
winds the bobbins clockwise, they won't stay in their hitch.  They loosen and
fall to the floor.  When the threads are wound counter-clockwise, they stay
in place -- providing there's lots of thread on the bobbin to provide
traction.  She always works with full bobbins, even for a small project. 
Put the new shorter thread on top of what's on the bobbin for a small
project.
One note -- she does use Idrija thread on her projects, so the twist direction
of the thread probably affects the needed winding direction on the bobbins.
There's more thread stress on bolster-used bobbins as they hang down than on
ones used on a flat pillow.
Alice in Oregon

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[lace] Date for Bucks point

[Karen]

This little snippet about Toender lace changing to tulle ground cttt. Charlotte 
Paludan. The Museum of Decorative Art, 2000. Published in CIETA Lace group 
newsletter number 31 in September 2000 on Toender Lace. ‘At the end of the 18th 
century, the centre of fashion shifted from the Flemish towns to the northern 
French town of Lille, where the open, gossamer-light twist net gave lace a 
totally new appearance. At the same time, this lace was inexpensive, since the 
twist net could be produced quickly, leading to a sudden upsurge in the demand 
for lace. People in Toender were quick to adapt and soon Lille lace came to 
dominate production in Toender.’  Still no closer than at the end of the 18th 
century. 

-Karen

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Re: [lace] Threading needles

[Maureen]

Dear All

I was recently told that you should never wet the end of the thread as it will 
swell up and  make it harder to thread through the eye of a needle. I was told 
to make the eye of the needle wet, preferably with spit, and the thread would 
slip through easily.  I now do this and it seems to work.

Regards 
Maureen 
E Yorks UK

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Re: [lace] Re: hint - elastic bands on bobbins

[Lin Hudren]

i have used this trick to cover the threads on bobbins in wait to be used
to keep the threads clean.  i found that Starbucks has a fatter straw so i
have gathered a few of those (unused) for the necks that have lots of
threads on them.  but if your straws are thinner, just use two.  thanks for
reminding me of this trick (altho my "in progress" pillows have them on
them too).


Hugs, Lin and the Mali



On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 6:32 AM, Maureen  wrote:

> Good afternoon
>
> Regarding the subject of marking bobbins o keep track of specific bobbins.
> I also found that the elastic bands marked the bobbins if they were on for
> a
> few weeks, and this included a couple of painted bobbins I have.I now
> cut straws into about 1inch(2.5 cms)  lengths and then slit the piece of
> straw along the length of it and slide it over the shank of the bobbin.
> Works on continental and Midlands bobbins.   Also if I have a particularly
> troublesome thread such as silk or metallic threads I also slip the straw
> over the thread which will then stop the hitch knot coming of.  Not my idea
> but was suggested to me.
>
> Maureen
> E Yorks UK
> Where it is cold but no snow.
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[lace] S vs. Z Threads

[David C Collyer]

Dear Jeri and other Friends,
She has often wondered why no one has written something comprehensive on S
vs. Z 

I've never really bothered checking my threads as it hasn't been a problem
for me. However, I always remember back around 1995 or 96 when I showed my
very large antique table cloth to Rosemary Shepherd she told me it's most
unusual because it is worked in a Z twist. I am aware of the difference.

This shawl is black lace worked at Le Puy in France, and I found it in a box
of doilies in an antique shop in Hobart, Tasmania back in the early 80s. I
recall that it cost me a mere AUS$20!! Each of the 4 sides is over 2 metres
in length.

David Downunder in Ballarat, AUS

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RE: [lace] Re: hint - elastic bands on bobbins

[Maureen]

Good afternoon

Regarding the subject of marking bobbins o keep track of specific bobbins.
I also found that the elastic bands marked the bobbins if they were on for a
few weeks, and this included a couple of painted bobbins I have.I now
cut straws into about 1inch(2.5 cms)  lengths and then slit the piece of
straw along the length of it and slide it over the shank of the bobbin.
Works on continental and Midlands bobbins.   Also if I have a particularly
troublesome thread such as silk or metallic threads I also slip the straw
over the thread which will then stop the hitch knot coming of.  Not my idea
but was suggested to me.

Maureen
E Yorks UK
Where it is cold but no snow.

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RE: [lace] Threading needles

[David C Collyer]

Dear Susan.
To easily thread most needles, lay a length of thread over the shaft of the 
needle & pull sharply, grasping both thread ends firmly between thumb & 
forefinger.  Slide the crisply folded thread off the shaft & lay the eye of the 
needle over the fold you are pinching.  If the thread doesn’t pop up thru the 
eye, flip the needle over & try the other side.  

My mother taught us this and said it was the way a blind person could thread a 
needle (that was back in the 50s)!!
David in Ballarat, AUS

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Re: [lace] RE: Footside on left or right?

[Sue Babbs]

Sorry everyone - operator malfunction!  The "send" button on my Kindle is 
where the "delete" button is on my laptop screen!


Maybe it was simply that the person who brought the technique to England 
could remember the technique but put the pricking on the pillow upside down, 
thus changing the footside to the other side, and then everyone they taught 
thought it was the way to do it.


Or maybe like me they found picots are quicker to make on the left side than 
the right.  It is easier to twist with my left hand, so if you're doing a 
point ground picot with 7 twists it is much quicker if the footside (without 
picots) is on the left and the picots are all on the right.



Sue

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Re: [lace] RE: Footside on left or right?

[Susan E Babbs]

Or simply that the person who brought the technique to England put the pricking 
and put it on 

On December 12, 2017, at 3:25 AM, J-D Hammett  wrote:

Hi fellow Arachnids,

Janis has put forward an interesting and very plausible theory. Are there any
other ideas out there?

Happy lace making.

Joepie, East Sussex on a bright but very cold day.


From: Janis Savage
Sent: 12 December 2017 07:54
To: lace@arachne.com
Subject: [lace] Footside on left or right?

The question of why the footside of yardage lace is either on the right
(mainly English laces) or on the left (mainly European continent laces) has
come up regularly over the years and no-one seems to have a definitive answer
other than the Brits do everything the other way around from their
continental
cousins.

I have a personal theory, so I take full blame if I am proved wrong. When I
first learned to make bobbin lace in England in the late 1970's, photocopy
machines were still a rarity so we were taught to trace the pricking from a
<...
...>
So my theory is that when the Mechlin and Lille lacemakers fled to England ,
they either took rubbings of their prickings or allowed rubbings to be taken
from their prickings in their new country and the quickest and easiest way to
make up these designs was to change the side of the footside.

I hope that this makes sense and if anyone has problems with my theory I am
willing to listen.

Lace greetings from

Janis in South Africa

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[lace] Threading needles

[Susan]

This was always a mystery to me until I joined EGA (Embroiderers’ Guild of 
America) where I learned how needles are made.  As Brenda noted, there is a 
right side & a wrong side created during the manufacturing process.  The 
manufacturers try to remove the microscopic burs that are formed on the wrong 
side by polishing.  Some are more successful than others!  Better quality 
needles generally have fewer problems so “invest in the best” for hand sewing.  
Also, use the correct needle!  There are many types & sizes, specifically made 
for certain tasks.  Eyes may be round, short oval, oval or long oval.  To 
easily thread most needles, lay a length of thread over the shaft of the needle 
& pull sharply, grasping both thread ends firmly between thumb & forefinger.  
Slide the crisply folded thread off the shaft & lay the eye of the needle over 
the fold you are pinching.  If the thread doesn’t pop up thru the eye, flip the 
needle over & try the other side.  My beginning Crazy Q!
 uilt students all mastered this in their first session so it can’t be rocket 
science!  For bulky threads such as chenille or cords, it is often easier to 
use a needle with an oval or long oval eye.  Cut a TINY strip of paper 
(ordinary copy machine paper works fine) & slip it over the cut end of the 
thread.  Insert the folded end of the paper into the eye on an angle & draw 
thru.  The thread end that was trapped in the folded paper should now be 
threaded.  Lastly, store your needles correctly.  “The Needle Index”, designed 
by Valley Quail Chapter EGA, Walnut Creek CA is the best way.  Needles are 
arranged by type.  There are good descriptions of characteristics, uses, sizes 
etc.  Invaluable IMHO!  I’m a very satisfied customer.  Hope this helps.  
Sincerely, Susan Hottle USA 









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Re: [lace] Threading needles

[Sue]

Now of course that makes perfect sense:-)  Thanks Brenda
Sue

I don’t think it’s that a needle eye is ‘designed’ to be threaded 
from
one side; rather it’s just that the way needles are made.  The hole for 
the

eye is punched out of the metal and it has to be done from one side, then
despite all the polishing and finishing that takes place it still remains
easier to push the thread into the hole from the side that the punch went 
in.


Brenda


Many do not even know how to thread a needle, or that one side of a

needle's

eye is designed for that purpose.

I have never heard of that. I tried Googling for information but 
couldn’t

find anything.


Brenda in Allhallows

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Re: [lace] Propose an OIDFA Work Group for S vs. Z Threads and Winding Bobbins

[Cynce Williams]

My father said the thread also had a right end and a wrong end to put through 
the needle. If you were threading a sewing machine you'e thread the end away 
from the spool through the needle. When you are hand sewing the tendency is to 
thread the end you just cut, but that is the end which should have the knot. 
The theory being that thread has a "nap" from the direction it was originally 
spun and working against the nap will make the thread wear out faster.

Cynthia

On Dec 12, 2017, at 3:25 AM, Sue wrote:

> I have been sewing for many years and never ever knew that.  Have never read 
> it or been told it anywhere until now, aged 68.
> I need to live my life all over again to make use of this great information. 
> :-)
> Sue T
> Dorset UK
> 
> 
> Thank you Jeri for your very informative message below.  Not being an
> , I had no idea that a needle had a right
> and wrong side for threading.  That is one activity which always brings
> out the frustration side of me.  :-)  Now I will check the eye of the
> needles with a strong lens to make sure I'm doing this correctly,
> thereby getting rid of my frustration.  Any hints would be gratefully
> received.
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Re: [lace] Threading needles

[catherinebar...@btinternet.com]

I'd never heard of it either but Nenia Lovesey always told us to take our 
threads sideways from the spool to wind our bobbins and not pull from the top 
of the spool, causing the thread to 'spiral'.

Catherine Barley Uk

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> On 12 Dec 2017, at 07:54, Ann Humphreys  wrote:
> 
> Jeri wrote
> Many do not even know how to thread a needle, or that one side of a needle's
> eye is designed for that purpose.
> 
> I have never heard of that. I tried Googling for information but couldn’t
> find anything.
> 

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[lace] Bucks origin

[Alex Stillwell]

Thank you Gabriele. With all the references we are getting I think we are
seeing a pattern emerge.

My thanks to all who have participated in this discussion, but it is not
completely closed, perhaps there are still more facts to come out. please let
us know as, and when, you come across them.

Blow the dust

Alex

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Re: [lace] dates for bucks point

[Gabriele Patzner]

> Am 12.12.2017 um 10:49 schrieb Alex Stillwell :
>
> Thank you all for looking up possible dates for Bucks point. Your replies
are
> fascinating. All seem to indicate that the point ground laces developed the
> very end of the 18th and the beginning of the 19th century, i.e. when lace
> came back into fashion post French Revolution.

I found the remark, that “point de raccroc”, which to my knowledge is the
stitch to join point ground strips, was invented around 1780 by a worker of
Vaux sur Aure. (“Dentelle de Normandie / Normandy Lace” by Florence
Quinette).

The booklet “Tønder Kniplinger” by Meta Tønder gives 1800 - 1850 as
production date for danish point ground lace.

“A History of Hand-Made Lace” by M.F. Jackson claims that lace using fond
simple, was already made in Lille as early as 1582. I was a bit baffled, but
read for yourself:

https://books.google.de/books?id=ErINAwAAQBAJ=PA176=PA176=arras+lac
e=bl=LZFPLIL-wb=_s3pCNwNJkL4hjjOG8XtCoLXe2k=de=X=0ah
UKEwi4lp2_oITYAhUIL1AKHS1hA5MQ6AEIYDAM#v=onepage=arras%20lace=false


or: https://tinyurl.com/ybj6ezgj 

Gabriele

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[lace] dates for bucks point

[Alex Stillwell]

Thank you all for looking up possible dates for Bucks point. Your replies are
fascinating. All seem to indicate that the point ground laces developed the
very end of the 18th and the beginning of the 19th century, i.e. when lace
came back into fashion post French Revolution.

This and the discussion about using elastic bands on bobbins are what Arachne
is about, i.e. sharing information with like-minded friends. Incidentally the
tradition of not sharing prickings and patterns stems from the original
commercial aspect. Dealers would strongly discourage their lace workers from
passing on patterns as they had paid a designer to produce them and did not
want someone else profiting from them.

Blow the dust

alex

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Re: [lace] Threading needles

[Brenda Paternoster]

I don’t think it’s that a needle eye is ‘designed’ to be threaded from
one side; rather it’s just that the way needles are made.  The hole for the
eye is punched out of the metal and it has to be done from one side, then
despite all the polishing and finishing that takes place it still remains
easier to push the thread into the hole from the side that the punch went in.

I can’t tell you where, but I’m pretty sure that I’ve seen that info
somewhere on the web in relation to sewing machine needles (which are usually
different on either side), but the same will be true for hand sewing needles.
it’s just that in all other respects a hand sewing needle is the same on
both sides.

Brenda
>
> Many do not even know how to thread a needle, or that one side of a
needle's
> eye is designed for that purpose.
>
> I have never heard of that. I tried Googling for information but couldn’t
> find anything.

Brenda in Allhallows

paternos...@appleshack.com
www.brendapaternoster.co.uk

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Re: [lace] Propose an OIDFA Work Group for S vs. Z Threads and Winding Bobbins

[Sue]

I have been sewing for many years and never ever knew that.  Have never read 
it or been told it anywhere until now, aged 68.
I need to live my life all over again to make use of this great information. 
:-)

Sue T
Dorset UK


Thank you Jeri for your very informative message below.  Not being an
, I had no idea that a needle had a right
and wrong side for threading.  That is one activity which always brings
out the frustration side of me.  :-)  Now I will check the eye of the
needles with a strong lens to make sure I'm doing this correctly,
thereby getting rid of my frustration.  Any hints would be gratefully
received.

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[lace] RE: Footside on left or right?

[J-D Hammett]

Hi fellow Arachnids,

Janis has put forward an interesting and very plausible theory. Are there any
other ideas out there?

Happy lace making.

Joepie, East Sussex on a bright but very cold day.


From: Janis Savage
Sent: 12 December 2017 07:54
To: lace@arachne.com
Subject: [lace] Footside on left or right?

The question of why the footside of yardage lace is either on the right
(mainly English laces) or on the left (mainly European continent laces) has
come up regularly over the years and no-one seems to have a definitive answer
other than the Brits do everything the other way around from their
continental
cousins.

I have a personal theory, so I take full blame if I am proved wrong. When I
first learned to make bobbin lace in England in the late 1970's, photocopy
machines were still a rarity so we were taught to trace the pricking from a
<...
...>
So my theory is that when the Mechlin and Lille lacemakers fled to England ,
they either took rubbings of their prickings or allowed rubbings to be taken
from their prickings in their new country and the quickest and easiest way to
make up these designs was to change the side of the footside.

I hope that this makes sense and if anyone has problems with my theory I am
willing to listen.

Lace greetings from

Janis in South Africa

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[lace] date for bucks point

[Alex Stillwell]

Hi Devon

Thank you for your comments. Have you checked your Mechlin to see if it is
English or Continental? I would be very interested to know. Regarding the
dated piece you mention. Is it Lille or Bucks Point? You can use the same
criterion as for distinguishing between English and Continental Mechlin.
Whichever it is the date will be the same. How reliable is the dealer
regarding dating? Certainly over here I have seen many strange claims made by
dealers, some not even able to classify the type of lace correctly. Yes
please, I would like to see it. I have never heard of Ning, what is it?

Blow the dust

Alex

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[lace] Winding bobbins

[Jean Leader]

I’m away from home teaching this week so don’t have my books and notes on 
threads with me but I do have an article about winding bobbins on my website at 
https://www.jeanleader.net/techniques/winding.html

For me what’s important is not to put any stress on the threads by either 
adding or removing twist while getting them from reel to bobbin and I’ve tried 
to explain how to avoid doing this. 

Jean in cold (but not snowy) Scotland
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[lace] Threading needles

[Ann Humphreys]

Jeri wrote
Many do not even know how to thread a needle, or that one side of a needle's
eye is designed for that purpose.

I have never heard of that. I tried Googling for information but couldn’t
find anything.
Ann

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