[lace] Threads

[Elizabeth Ligeti]

I used a polycotton for the Dress Cap I made (in navy, as I am white-haired
now, and white lace would not show up !! )
I did not enjoy using the thread, as it did not want to stay in the hitch
around the bobbin!, but otherwise the finished product turned out very well .
the best part is that it never creases, so I can just pull it out of the case
I keep it in, (with other doilies, neck tie etc) and wear it.  A cotton lace
piece would need ironing, but not the Polycotton piece!

I have used 50 Aurofil for Needlelace (and won a prize for it!) and it was
really nice to use. I did a small piece of Gros Point type, and the sheen just
enhances the work.
I found the 28 weight Aurofil rather loosely spun, and only tried it for
bobbin Lace.  I did not like it a lot.
Regards from Liz. In sunny Melbourne, Oz.

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Re: [lace] Guttermans Threads

[J Reardon]

I’ve used the shiny Gutterman viscose thread to make ornament covers from the 
IOLI gift CD pattern a few years back. It was nice to work with and the project 
turned out well.

Jean Reardon 
Western Pennsylvania 

>> Are Guttermans threads suitable for lacemaking?  My local haberdashery has 
>> started keeping them in a range of colours. 
> 

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Re: [lace] Thresds

[Anna Binnie]

Alex, what evidence is there for this statement. I'm not being difficult 
just interested in the processes of lacemaking


Anna in a cold wet Sydney


On 3/9/18 5:37 pm, Alex Stillwell wrote:

Hi Arachnids

Because black is so difficult to work with, much of the black lace was made
using white thread and subsequently dyed black.


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Re: [lace] Guttermans Threads

[Anna Binnie]

The Gutterman sulky varigated are really beautiful when used with 
Christine Marecki's patterns of flowers


Anna in a cold wet Sydney, the rains have finally come, I hope our 
farmers are getting some of this


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RE: [lace] Mystery thread

[Lorelei Halley]

Lorri
I have used their thread and liked it very well. The thread of theirs that I
have used is linen. I am not aware that they made cotton threads. Their 80/2
linen is comparable in size to tatting cotton #80. Bockens 80/2 would be a
bit finer, because Bockens tends to twist their threads more tightly, which
results in a thinner thread.
Lorelei

The cone is plastic and measures 4.5 in. or 11.5 mm. high.  Am I correct
that it is 80/2 cotton?
There is a sticker inside the bottom reading:

FFR Aalst
9052
80/2Wit Blanc
ca 2500M
Brillante

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Re: [lace] Mystery thread

[N.A. Neff]

That would make sense of the thread being larger than the 80/2 Brok
cotton!  Lorri, when you looked at it under magnification, is the FFR
thread fuzzy or smooth? and is the twist the same direction as the Brok
cotton? S or Z?   Is the cone cool to the touch when you pick it up?

To the experts out there, how does one differentiate between linen and
mercerized cotton on the cone?

Nancy
Connecticut, USA

On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 3:29 PM, Gabriele Patzner 
wrote:

> ... “Brillante” was their label for Bouc Linnen, if I am not mistaken.
It
> was originally produced by them and they sold 2500 m spools of 80/2, so it
> might well be you have got one of those.

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Re: [lace] Mystery thread

[N.A. Neff]

The postal codes for Aalst, in the SE of the Netherlands, are 5308 XX,
where XX are two varying uppercase letters, and nearby is 5305 XX and 5307
XX. The postcode 9052 XX (with two letters again) is in the Grouw region,
up in the NW. Also, postcodes were introduced into the Netherlands in 1976
-- any idea how old your thread is?

WRT the plastic cone: polyethylene, which the cone is likely to be, was
re-discovered in 1933, so  Lorri's thread might well predate the take-over
by Coats. I'd be surprised if they were still using "FFR" without adding a
"Coats" label somewhere if the cone was from after 1960 (another argument
against the postcode suggestion).

Oh I do love some good sleuthing! Thanks Lorri!!

Nancy
Connecticut, USA


On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 3:24 PM, Adele Shaak  wrote:

> ...
> The number 9052 could be a stock number, as Nancy suggests, but since it
> comes directly after the place-name “Aalst”, I would not be surprised if
it
> was the European equivalent of a Zip code. ...
>

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Re: [lace] Mystery thread

[Lorri Ferguson]

I went to get some 'known' 80/0 cotton (Brok), did the burn test, they both
burned the same.
But I noticed the FFR is much larger the size than the Brok.  The 'pull to
break' test was good, it is very sturdy.

Thank you for the suggestions Nancy, I should have thought of them before I
even ask my questions.

Lorri

FFR is an acronym for the company ( Filature et Filteries Réunies), and I
think "Aalst" is the name of the town.  "9052" is probably their stock or
product number.

80/2 is surely the weight, "Wit" and "Blanc" = white

"ca 2500M" = about 2500 meters ("circa" = about)

and I would guess "Brillante" means optic white or bleached. If it's cream
now, I expect it's yellowed because of how it was stored or perhaps just age.


FFR Aalst
9052
80/2Wit Blanc
ca 2500M
Brillante

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Re: [lace] Mystery thread

[Adele Shaak]

I let Google translate this page and it turned out quite well:

https://translate.google.ca/translate?hl=en=nl=http://www.ethesis.net/aa
lst_textiel/deel_I/aalst_textiel_deel_I_2_g.htm=search


As you can see, the company was taken over by Coats in the 60s. Since your
cone is plastic, I assume the thread has been made under the Coats banner.
The number 9052 could be a stock number, as Nancy suggests, but since it comes
directly after the place-name “Aalst”, I would not be surprised if it was
the European equivalent of a Zip code.

Adele
West Vancouver, BC
(west coast of Canada)


> On Sep 3, 2018, at 11:59 AM, N.A. Neff  wrote:
>
> See
http://www.ethesis.net/aalst_textiel/deel_I/aalst_textiel_deel_I_2_g.htm
> .
>
> FFR is an acronym for the company ( Filature et Filteries Réunies), and I
> think "Aalst" is the name of the town.  "9052" is probably their stock or
> product number.
>
> 80/2 is surely the weight, "Wit" and "Blanc" = white
>
> "ca 2500M" = about 2500 meters ("circa" = about)
>
> and I would guess "Brillante" means optic white or bleached. If it's cream
> now, I expect it's yellowed because of how it was stored or perhaps just
> age.
>
> What do you think?  HTH

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Re: [lace] Mystery thread

[N.A. Neff]

And do a burn test. FFR started manufacturing synthetics and blends between
the world wars.

On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 3:05 PM, N.A. Neff  wrote:

> PS: I don't see anything that says "cotton" ("katoen" in Dutch). You'll
> have to look at it under magnification.
>
>

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Re: [lace] Mystery thread

[N.A. Neff]

PS: I don't see anything that says "cotton" ("katoen" in Dutch). You'll
have to look at it under magnification.

Test strength before using: if it's yellowed, I'll bet that it's "rotten".

Nancy
Connecticut, USA


On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 2:40 PM, Lorri Ferguson  wrote:

> ...Am I correct that it is 80/2 cotton?
>

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Re: [lace] Mystery thread

[N.A. Neff]

See http://www.ethesis.net/aalst_textiel/deel_I/aalst_textiel_deel_I_2_g.htm
.

FFR is an acronym for the company ( Filature et Filteries Réunies), and I
think "Aalst" is the name of the town.  "9052" is probably their stock or
product number.

80/2 is surely the weight, "Wit" and "Blanc" = white

"ca 2500M" = about 2500 meters ("circa" = about)

and I would guess "Brillante" means optic white or bleached. If it's cream
now, I expect it's yellowed because of how it was stored or perhaps just
age.

What do you think?  HTH

Nancy
Connecticut, USA


On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 2:40 PM, Lorri Ferguson  wrote:

> ...
> There is a sticker inside the bottom reading:
>
> FFR Aalst
> 9052
> 80/2Wit Blanc
> ca 2500M
> Brillante
>
> Can you tell me any thing about it?
>

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[lace] Mystery thread

[Lorri Ferguson]

I have on an orange cone (true cone not cylinder) of slightly off white thread
that looks and feels like cotton.
The cone is plastic and measures 4.5 in. or 11.5 mm. high.  Am I correct that
it is 80/2 cotton?
There is a sticker inside the bottom reading:

FFR Aalst
9052
80/2Wit Blanc
ca 2500M
Brillante

Can you tell me any thing about it?

Lorri Ferguson,
in Western Washington/Seattle where we are having another lovely sunny day.
And the smoke in the air from the forest fires has mostly cleared away.

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[lace] Re: [lace] Corbett’s Flanders

[N.A. Neff]

AMEN. As a published author, I can attest that it was very frustrating to
see a couple of errors after publication in one of my books. But errata are
a fact of life -- we're none of us perfect, and it's important that
corrections be shared so others don't waste time and energy struggling with
the same issues. One of the consolations I took away from others' pointing
out my errors was that it showed they were reading the book! which is
flattering when you think about it. For us to be studying a book so
intently that we find errors, and to be making lace from a pattern book,
proves that the author has produced something worthwhile, something the
community is finding useful. Armed with this realization, I think most
authors find errata useful in that second editions can be made that much
better by fixing the issues found.

Nancy
Connecticut, USA

On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 11:29 AM, Susan  wrote:

> ... I am certain the lace author has sweated bullets to make the
> information available & he/she is likely mortified that gremlins crept into
> the book. ...

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[lace] Help needed update

[Alison Gray]

Hi all

 thank you all for your suggestions about my sewings problem. I have taken
them all on board and am going to buy both a lazy Susan and a bigger
crochet hook and see how I get on.

Alison in sunny Colchester Essex UK

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[lace] Corbett’s Flanders

[Susan]

Just to clear the air, we’re all in this together & need each other to move 
ahead with lace. I don’t think this is criticism so much as it is an 
acknowledgment that stuff happens when writing, proofreading & publishing lace 
texts! As a beginner, I would never question the teacher—in this case, the 
book—because he/she is the expert. Unfortunately, over the past year, I have 
found several “anomalies” while working various patterns. That’s a lot of angst 
for a beginner! Personally, I am more sad than mad because I am certain the 
lace author has sweat bullets to make the information available & he/she is 
likely mortified that gremlins crept into the book. I just wish that there was 
a “Central Repository of Errata” online. It would be a blessing to us all. In 
the meantime, I must develop a more discerning eye (not critical eye!) when 
setting up a new pattern. And thank you again, fellow Arachneans, for helping 
me move ahead. Sincerely, Susan Hottle USA 

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Re: [lace] Guttermans Threads

[Brenda Paternoster]

There are lots of different threads made by Gütermann.  The cotton threads
and the silk threads are fine for lacemaking so long as the thickness is
suitable for your pricking  (though most are Z twist to suit sewing machines
and a few lacemakers really prefer S twist thread on bobbins).  The polyesters
are OK if you expect the finished lace to get frequent laundering, although
lace made from polyester does have a ‘hard’ feel to it, and the metallics
are good for accents/gimps.

Amongst people who sew, Gütermann thread is generally reckoned to be as good
as any.
>
> Are Guttermans threads suitable for lacemaking?

Brenda in Allhallows

paternos...@appleshack.com
www.brendapaternoster.co.uk

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[lace] 2018 Arachne Card Exchange

[Lin Hudren]

A few more days yet to join in the fun.  I wish to thank those who have
been responsive so far.  There is nothing like the sense of accomplishment
for making a cherished masterpiece.  Cards and ornaments are treasures in
life and bring smiles to all who use and/or admire them and share the
pleasure of a gift from afar with those near.



As a reminder, this year the schedule will go like this:

August 17   Sign Ups begin and until September 7

September 9  Exchange partner assignments made and emailed out

December 1   All cards should be in the mail, please



Same guidelines apply as the previous exchanges:  send in name, snail mail
address, email address, how many cards you wish to make to share and any
geographical preferences to me at *linhud...@gmail.com
*.  After making your card(s) please take a picture
and email directly to me.  If you wonder if your partner was able to send
in a photo of her card sent to you, just send one upon receipt and I will
make sure everyone is represented.



If you have any questions or preferences, please feel free to email me
linhud...@gmail.com.

This is just too much fun.  Come take a bit of fun for yourself.  Happy
lacemaking.

Hugs, Lin and the Mali

[image: http://www.amazing-animations.com/animations/goodmorning15.gif]

Lead me into all misfortune.  Only by that path can I transform the
negative into the positive.  - Ancient Buddhist Prayer.

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[lace] Brainstorming about color

[Susan]

There are color theory resources online & https://www.canva.com is one or check 
your local library. Get a general idea ahead of time, make up the lace, then 
audition your completed piece in a fabric or craft store. JoAnn’s, Michael’s & 
Hobby Lobby have reasonable selections. Even if you don’t purchase fabric from 
them, you can utilize their bolts for color combos. The length of the 
variegation determines the overall value of the piece so selecting your 
foundation fabric from the spool appearance may prove inaccurate. The type of 
lace you are making will also be a factor in your results because of the thread 
paths. Is it mostly cloth stitch, half stitch or cloth & twist? Our guild has 
experienced this when teaching Girl Scouts with variegated threads. We never 
know what results to expect! Hope this helps & best wishes with your project. 
Will look for it on Flickr. . Sincerely, Susan Hottle USA

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Re: [lace] Guttermans Threads

[Ilske Thomsen]

> 
> Are Guttermans threads suitable for lacemaking?  My local haberdashery has 
> started keeping them in a range of colours. 
Yes they are and it’s nice to work with.

Ilske

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Re: [lace] Guttermans Threads

[Adele Shaak]

There are several different kinds of Gutterman threads, in both synthetic and 
natural fibres. Gutterman’s silk and their 100% cotton work well for lace. I 
haven’t worked with any of their polyester threads.

Adele

> Are Guttermans threads suitable for lacemaking?  My local haberdashery has 
> started keeping them in a range of colours. 
> Ann
> UK

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[lace] Guttermans Threads

[Ann Humphreys]

Are Guttermans threads suitable for lacemaking?  My local haberdashery has 
started keeping them in a range of colours. 
Ann
UK

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Re: [lace] wool replacement

[Sue]

Oh lovely, such a bunch of great answers so thank you all (I will get round 
to reading them more fully and answering comments and thanking you 
personally once my most important things are done for today.  It is a very 
busy week this week, getting ready to travel.  I am trying to think if I 
have got time to receive some in the post before we leave at the weekend, so 
I can pack it and use while away, in the quiet times in the evenings while 
we are on holiday.
Suffering, as I do, from brain fog there are times when I just cant get the 
initial thought going, but once fired up as now it is magical and I found 
some good choices in DK.  Not so sure that I like the softer colours in the 
heavier weights.  Beautiful and peaceful for blankets etc, but not so great 
when wanting to make colourful, joyful christmas pieces.

Sue T


Hi Arachnids
My bobbin lace items for now are up to date for now and once we are back 
from

our golden wedding anniversary celebrations and holiday and then I have a
couple of items I want to make with the plastic canvas but cant use wool or
similar fibres and it makes me cough and choke too much.  Can anyone in the 
UK
tell me of a thick cotton fibre which could be used instead please for 7 or 
10

holes per inch canvas that will come in reasonable colours for christmas
pieces red, blue, white etc.  I have no idea what I might even search for. 
We
are very short of knitting wool/fibre shops close to home that I could ask 
the
questions from so I hope someone amongst you will be able to advise me 
please.

I have lots of cotton crochet threads and bobbin lace threads that are just
fine but this is rather thick.  I did several a couple of years ago in aran
thickness so it needs to be able to fill the spaces in.

Working on some tatting just at present
Sue T
Dorset UK

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[lace] Thresds

[Alex Stillwell]

Hi Arachnids

Because black is so difficult to work with, much of the black lace was made
using white thread and subsequently dyed black.

Blow the dust

Alex

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