Re: [lace] [Lace] Return to class

2020-08-17 Thread Adele Shaak
There was an article in The Lancet (July 3rd)
https://www.thelancet.com/pdfs/journals/laninf/PIIS1473-3099(20)30561-2.pdf


Talks about how why the danger of surface transmission is less than was
originally thought.

Adele
West Vancouver, BC
west coast of Canada

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Re: [lace] Re: [Lace] Return to class

2020-08-17 Thread Kathryn Draves
Jane,

Having the teacher wear one pair of gloves and move from pillow to pillow
could theoretically transmit a virus from one student to the next. If the
teacher puts on a new pair of gloves each time she approaches another
pillow it would be fine. Bear in mind that medical professionals advocate
hand washing between pairs and that care must be taken in removing gloves
so that one doesn't touch the outer surface of the glove with the hands.
Properly worn masks are your most important articles.

Kathy Draves
My two cents as a retired radiologist

On Mon, Aug 17, 2020, 4:40 PM Joy Beeson  wrote:

> On 8/15/2020 7:31 AM, Jane wrote:
>
> > But I wonder if it maybe better for the teacher to
> > use close fitting disposable gloves. Would it be
> > okay to go from pillow to pillow with these? (I'm
> > wondering out loud).
>
> That ever-popular citation "I read somewhere" that for
> disease prevention gloves are worse than useless, and
> lead to spreading germs around.
>
> On the other hand, a woman who mans a vendor's booth
> said that she wears gloves so that she can wash her
> hands after each customer without washing her skin off.
>
> I do know (i.e. I've read a *lot* of somewheres) that
> hand sanitizer is a stopgap for when you can't wash
> properly.  (But it's better than just wetting your
> hands and wiping them on a dirty towel.)
>
> --
> Joy Beeson
> http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/
> west of Fort Wayne, Indiana, U.S.A.
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Re: [lace] Re: [Lace] Return to class

2020-08-17 Thread Joy Beeson

On 8/15/2020 7:31 AM, Jane wrote:


But I wonder if it maybe better for the teacher to
use close fitting disposable gloves. Would it be
okay to go from pillow to pillow with these? (I'm
wondering out loud).


That ever-popular citation "I read somewhere" that for 
disease prevention gloves are worse than useless, and 
lead to spreading germs around.


On the other hand, a woman who mans a vendor's booth 
said that she wears gloves so that she can wash her 
hands after each customer without washing her skin off.


I do know (i.e. I've read a *lot* of somewheres) that 
hand sanitizer is a stopgap for when you can't wash 
properly.  (But it's better than just wetting your 
hands and wiping them on a dirty towel.)


--
Joy Beeson
http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/
west of Fort Wayne, Indiana, U.S.A.

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[lace] Re: Return to class

2020-08-17 Thread Jane Partridge
This reminds me of a Guiders' training course I attended years ago at Foxlease, 
(in Hampshire UK) we were learning how to teach creative folk dance without 
making the movements ourselves. My thought from this is that you should be able 
to teach mostly without the need to touch their pillows, bobbins, etc, but for 
those who need to see a stitch demonstrated, could you set up a travel pillow 
with a few bobbins that you can take round the table with you, so you show them 
on your pillow, not theirs? Where mistakes are concerned learning to spot a 
mistake and correct it is progress, if need be you can tell them where to go 
back to and what has gone wrong, but don't do the undoing and redoing yourself 
or they will never learn. (I have heard some lacemakers say they always had 
their teacher start pieces off or finish for them so they didn't know how, 
which was the means of the teacher retaining learners because they were 
dependent on him/her!)

Jane Partridge

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