[lace] Group lace pieces
Your write up was very interesting (as usual!!) Alex. When the Springetts came out to Australia, in the 1980s, Christine showed us a slide show of some of her collection of old lace. I always remember a cap & lappets in Beds Lace, and she pointed out a flower motif on each lappet and the cap, and they were all slightly different.. She said that obviously the pieces had been worked by different people, and they all solved the problems with the flower in different ways. For some reason this always stuck in my mind. We were all fairly new to lacemaking, so all these glimpses of History were fascinating! (They Still are!!! :) ) Muscle memory is a fascinating subject, too. Now I do mostly Tatting, I find it Very useful!! (Wish the brain memory was as good!! â I keep forgetting my stitch count when interrupted or distracted!! ..Grrr!!) Stay safe and well, everyone. We are now coming out of Lock-down after 5 months, - and it seems to have worked as the State is currently Covid free!! Fingers crossed it stays that way!!) Regards from Liz. L. Melbourne, Oz. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Re: Techniques vs methods in lacemaking
Hi Nancy, I mean with a method in bobbin lacemaking a way in which every technique can be made. The open method means that every stitch ends with cross, so that all threads are always laying straight down without any twists (open) The closed method means that half stitch and whole stitch (with twist) end with a twist, The threads lay after those stitches with a twist (closed) Bobbin lace knows also various types or techniques like Torchon, Point Ground, Guipure, Tape Lace and so on. It doesnât matter wether you make Torchon, Point Ground, Guipure or Tape lace in the open or closed method. The result is the same. Afterward you can not see the difference. Mixing the techniques is possible but the result is different. As Robin said making a Point Ground pricking in the Torchon technique gives a different result than when you make in the Point Ground technique. It doesnât look like Point Ground any more, nor does it look like Torchon. I hope this will help. Gon Homburg, Amsterdam, The Netherlands > Op 26 nov. 2020, om 11:38 heeft N.A. Neff het volgende geschreven: > > Hi Gon, > > Would you be so kind as to define explicitly what you mean by methods vs techniques in bobbin lace? Not only with examples, although some will help. I'm getting confused. > > Thanks. > > Nancy > Ashford, Connecticut, USA > > > On Thu, Nov 26, 2020, 05:00 Gon Homburg mailto:gon.homb...@me.com>> wrote: > ... > I think you missed the difference between a method of bobbin lacemaking and > the various techniques. > Every lace teacher should know about the closed and the open method in bobbin > lace and explain the difference between the two to their students. > ... > > Robin Panza wrote: > ... > . You can use torchon > techniques on a Bucks point picking, but that doesn't mean you have made Bucks > point. > ... - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Speed and efficiency in lace
Dear Robin, I think you missed the difference between a method of bobbin lacemaking and the various techniques. Every lace teacher should know about the closed and the open method in bobbin lace and explain the difference between the two to their students. When you are making Skans lace on a cooky pillow it does make any difference in using the open or the closed method. However when you making it on a roller pillow it is make sense to use the open method because of the bobbin hanging down. You can also make Skansk lace using the Torchon technique, but then you donât get Skansk lace, but Torchon with Skansk motives. The ground in whole stitch is than made as a torch ground with pins on every crossing of the pairs. When finished you can see the difference because in the Torchon way are holes in the stitches and in the Skansk way there are not. Making Point Ground pricking in the Torchon technique is some different. In Torchon there are stitches above and beneath a pin, in Point Ground there is mostly only a stitch above the pin. However muscle memory can be very important. A friend of mine had a bleeding in the brain and afterwards problems with her left hand. Starting making bobbin lace again she managed to do that after a very short time and her left hand ârememberedâ what to do. So keep you muscle memory strong it can be useful later. Best regards, Gon Homburg, Amsterdam, The Netherlands > Op 26 nov. 2020, om 01:35 heeft Robin K Panza het volgende geschreven: > > You missed my point: there are times when "muscle memory" gets in the way when learning something new, and then the inexperienced person has the easier time learning. Yes, you can choose to ignore what the teacher is teaching at any time. That is not the same as learning the lesson. You can use torchon techniques on a Bucks point picking, but that doesn't mean you have made Bucks point. > > Robin P > Los Angeles, California, USA > > > > On November 25, 2020, at 2:19 AM, Gon Homburg wrote: > > > There is a difference between techniques and methods. Mostly is used the closed method in which the stitches except cloth stitch end with the appropriate amount of twist. Skansk Knipling is made according the open method in with every stitch ends with a cross. This method is common in laces which are originally made on a roller pillow. There is no need to switch method when using a new technique. Skansk Knipling can also made in the closed method. The result is the same. > > So switch from one technique to another without changing your method of bobbin lace making. > > Gon Homburg, Amsterdam, The Netherlands > > > >> Op 25 nov. 2020, om 05:56 heeft Robin K Panza mailto:robinl...@socal.rr.com>> het volgende geschreven: >> >> Much of the time it is easy to switch to a different technique, but not always. Many of the European bobbin laces share the same basic techniques. Half stitch is C, T; US whole stitch is C, T, C, T; and cloth stitch is C, T, C. But Skansk Knipling is different: HS = T, C and USWS = T, C, T, C; the hands fight to start those with crosses because of muscle memory. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Techniques vs methods in lacemaking
Hi Gon, Would you be so kind as to define explicitly what you mean by methods vs techniques in bobbin lace? Not only with examples, although some will help. I'm getting confused. Thanks. Nancy Ashford, Connecticut, USA On Thu, Nov 26, 2020, 05:00 Gon Homburg wrote: > ... I think you missed the difference between a method of bobbin lacemaking and > the various techniques. > Every lace teacher should know about the closed and the open method in > bobbin > lace and explain the difference between the two to their students. > ... > Robin Panza wrote: ... > . You can use torchon > techniques on a Bucks point picking, but that doesn't mean you have made > Bucks > point. > ... - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
