Re: [lace] Lacemaking machines

[N.A. Neff]

Hi Jane,

I thought I remembered them saying the stockinette machines at Hurt's were
from the 16th C (I still find it amazing they are still working after four
centuries) -- they were definitely English. I know that the
machine-knitting industry started under Queen Elizabeth because she was the
monarch who gave them such a hard time. One machine was taken to France,
put back together and copied, while England was suppressing the industry.
But people have given better references to all that already. But I'm
positive that the Hurt machines were English.

Nancy
Ashford, CT USA

On Fri, Feb 12, 2021 at 4:52 AM Jane Partridge  wrote:

> ... I would be interested to know which country the 1590 machine Nancy
> referred to was in, as England at the time had a Queen, not a King
>

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Re: [lace] Lacemaking machines

[Gon Homburg]

In Holland there is a museum, De Kantfabriek, in which the machines are still
running. They do make lace, but not really for sale. The machines are running
during the tours. This is their website: https://www.museumdekantfabriek.nl

I will have a look for photo’s and publish them than on Flickr.

Best regards,

Gon Homburg, Amsterdam, The Netherlands



> Op 12 feb. 2021, om 09:50 heeft Maureen  het
volgende geschreven:
>
> And there is a Facebook page called Descendents of the lacemakers of
Calais.
>
> Regards
> Maureen
>
>
>>
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> I would look at the website of ‘The Australian Lacemakers of Calais’
who have lots of information about the machine lacemakers who left England in
the early 1800s and set up in Calais only to have to leave during the French
Revolution. A book called ‘Well Suited to the Colony’ was written by
Gillian Kelly gives lots of information.  I was asked to review this book by
the Lace Guild about 2007 and as a result found the above website. I also
found the then chairman, I think he is or was based in Sydney, extremely
helpful as well as Gillian Kelly.  Both sent photos and all sorts of
information and even provided a link for a working machine. I gave a few talks
at the time.
>>
>> Hope this is also of some help.
>>
>> Regards
>> Maureen where is is currently -5C UK
>>
>>
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Re: [lace] Lacemaking machines

[Jane Partridge]

There's a book about the machine lace industry in the Lace Guild's library 
which I'm sure I wrote something about on Arachne some years ago. It is 
something like the "History of the Nottingham Lace Industry" but I'm going on 
memory and may be wrong. There was a company in Long Eaton, GH Hurt & Co (about 
15 years ago) who produced frame knitted items for sale to the various shops 
and museums, whether they are still in business I don't know. Also a Leavers 
machine was displayed at the museum in Rufford Country Park, Nottinghamshire, 
and frame knitting demonstrated at Ruddington Museum. I doubt much will be 
available to visit until after lockdown ends, but most museums have websites. I 
think there may be machines displayed at Wollaton Hall (Nottingham, near to 
Queens Medical Centre) but haven't been there for years. Most of the Nottingham 
industry has gone, the changes in fashion took their toll as much on the 
machine industry as they did the hand made, plus they had competitio!
 n from cheaper sources abroad. It might be worth contacting Nottingham Trent 
University (unless she's already studying there) as they have a large lace 
resource. Most of the lace from the old Nottingham Museum of Costume and Lace 
went to the Nottingham Castle Museum, so will be in their reserve collection. 
There used to be sock/stocking machines in the museum at Snibston near 
Coalville in Leicestershire, Coalville Council might know what happened to them 
after the museum closed.

As Maureen says, there's a lot of information in the Lacemakers of Calais book 
(produced for an exhibition in Loughborough which I went to) based on John 
Heathcoate's (Leavers) machines. I haven't seen much of the history of the 
Barmen and Raschelle machines, other than seeing them in the old Nottingham 
Lace Centre, sadly long closed.

I would be interested to know which country the 1590 machine Nancy referred to 
was in, as England at the time had a Queen, not a King.

Jane Partridge

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Re: [lace] Lacemaking machines

[Brenda Paternoster]

The machines which sought to imitate bobbin lace date back to the early 1800s
and I think the one I saw in Nottingham some years ago was mid-late 1800s.

The frame knitting machines, one of which I saw demonstrated at G H Hurt in
Nottingham, do date back to the 1600s, they were designed to knit stockings
rather than make lace.

For anyone interested in the history of machine lace I thoroughly recommend
the Pat Earnshaw books.

Brenda

>
>
> Yes, a number of Arachne members saw the Nottingham stockinette machines
> from the 17th or 18th C (I'm not sure if the ones we saw went back to the
> 1600's -- I find that hard to believe in hindsight), including ones still
> working. I have a really lovely shawl knit on one of those machines; quite
> a few other Arachnids bought knitted items.

Brenda Paternoster
paternos...@appleshack.com
www.brendapaternoster.co.uk

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Re: [lace] Lacemaking machines

[Maureen]

And there is a Facebook page called Descendents of the lacemakers of Calais.

Regards 
Maureen


> 
> 
> Hi
> 
> I would look at the website of ‘The Australian Lacemakers of Calais’ who have 
> lots of information about the machine lacemakers who left England in the 
> early 1800s and set up in Calais only to have to leave during the French 
> Revolution. A book called ‘Well Suited to the Colony’ was written by Gillian 
> Kelly gives lots of information.  I was asked to review this book by the Lace 
> Guild about 2007 and as a result found the above website. I also found the 
> then chairman, I think he is or was based in Sydney, extremely helpful as 
> well as Gillian Kelly.  Both sent photos and all sorts of information and 
> even provided a link for a working machine. I gave a few talks at the time.
> 
> Hope this is also of some help.
> 
> Regards 
> Maureen where is is currently -5C UK
> 
> 

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Re: [lace] Lacemaking machines

[Maureen]

Hi

I would look at the website of ‘The Australian Lacemakers of Calais’ who have 
lots of information about the machine lacemakers who left England in the early 
1800s and set up in Calais only to have to leave during the French Revolution. 
A book called ‘Well Suited to the Colony’ was written by Gillian Kelly gives 
lots of information.  I was asked to review this book by the Lace Guild about 
2007 and as a result found the above website. I also found the then chairman, I 
think he is or was based in Sydney, extremely helpful as well as Gillian Kelly. 
 Both sent photos and all sorts of information and even provided a link for a 
working machine. I gave a few talks at the time.

Hope this is also of some help.

Regards 
Maureen where is is currently -5C UK

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Re: [lace] Lacemaking machines

[Alice Howell]

 I was one of those people in 1998 at the Arachne 98 Conference who saw the
lacemaking machines.  They had at least one of the original style of
machines, and demonstrated how it was worked by hand and foot.
A few years ago I was a featured artist at fiber show, and had to give a half
hour talk on the history of lace.  Below are two paragraphs related to that
first machine.

Quote:

During the 1700s, the industrial revolution was getting started. Machines were
being invented to do things previously done by hand. A Stockinette machine,
that made knitted stockings with a design up the side of the sock, was
developed about 1590 but it took a lot of hand manipulation to get the design.
The inventor wanted to improve and market his machine but he needed permission
from the king. This king was afraid this machine would take away his sources
of lace income so refused permission. Nothing could be done with the new
machine until this king died and a new king was in charge.

In the early 1700s, the machine was improved so it was more automated. Then
instead of just putting a design in the sock by creating holes, the whole
fabric was holes…a net fabric, like wedding veils are made from. Thus
started the demise of the hand lace industry. By 1800, they had a machine that
could produce large net fabrics. The net background of some laces no longer
had to be made by hand. They could start with the machine net and just
applique the handmade lace flowers or designs on it. This reduced the time
needed to make an item, and the number of people making it.
End quote.
The entire talk is on the webpage of the Portland Lace Society
(portlandlacesociety.com) under the heading Lace History.
Alice in Oregon -- where we are at the start of a 2-day snow and ice storm.
Good time for lacing.





On Thursday, February 11, 2021, 6:56:58 PM PST, N.A. Neff
 wrote:

 Hi Rochelle,

Yes, a number of Arachne members saw the Nottingham stockinette machines
from the 17th or 18th C (I'm not sure if the ones we saw went back to the
1600's -- I find that hard to believe in hindsight), including ones still
working. I have a really lovely shawl knit on one of those machines; quite
a few other Arachnids bought knitted items.

I also have an article on lacemaking machines in Europe, Germany I think,
but I'm not sure how old the machines were that were being discussed. I
will try to find it.

Nancy
Connecticut, USA


On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 9:28 PM Rochelle Sutherland 
wrote:

> Hi everyone, I have an unusual request. I am helping a higher degree
> student with lacemaking for her textile art degree and she is interested in
> knowing more about the early lacemaking machines. Does anyone know
> anything? Has anyone seen them in action in museums? I have an idea I have
> seen discussions on arachne about it before, so I am hoping someone can
> help her. Thanks,
> ---
> Rochelle SutherlandCottons and Bobbins Lacemaking Supplies by Rochelle
> SutherlandEmail orders: cottonsandbobb...@lacemakingsupplies.com
> .auWebsite:http://lacemakingsupplies.com.auPhone: 02 6374 2696
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[lace] Lacemaking machines

[Rochelle Sutherland]

Hi everyone, I have an unusual request. I am helping a higher degree student 
with lacemaking for her textile art degree and she is interested in knowing 
more about the early lacemaking machines. Does anyone know anything? Has anyone 
seen them in action in museums? I have an idea I have seen discussions on 
arachne about it before, so I am hoping someone can help her. Thanks,
---
Rochelle SutherlandCottons and Bobbins Lacemaking Supplies by Rochelle 
SutherlandEmail orders: 
cottonsandbobb...@lacemakingsupplies.com.auWebsite:http://lacemakingsupplies.com.auPhone:
 02 6374 2696

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Re: [lace] Lacemaking machines

[N.A. Neff]

Hi Rochelle,

Yes, a number of Arachne members saw the Nottingham stockinette machines
from the 17th or 18th C (I'm not sure if the ones we saw went back to the
1600's -- I find that hard to believe in hindsight), including ones still
working. I have a really lovely shawl knit on one of those machines; quite
a few other Arachnids bought knitted items.

I also have an article on lacemaking machines in Europe, Germany I think,
but I'm not sure how old the machines were that were being discussed. I
will try to find it.

Nancy
Connecticut, USA


On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 9:28 PM Rochelle Sutherland 
wrote:

> Hi everyone, I have an unusual request. I am helping a higher degree
> student with lacemaking for her textile art degree and she is interested in
> knowing more about the early lacemaking machines. Does anyone know
> anything? Has anyone seen them in action in museums? I have an idea I have
> seen discussions on arachne about it before, so I am hoping someone can
> help her. Thanks,
> ---
> Rochelle SutherlandCottons and Bobbins Lacemaking Supplies by Rochelle
> SutherlandEmail orders: cottonsandbobb...@lacemakingsupplies.com
> .auWebsite:http://lacemakingsupplies.com.auPhone: 02 6374 2696
>
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