Re: [lace] Re: Mystery Thread
WOW Nancy you have really been doing 'my homework'. I will dig out my gem microscope today and take a look. I did not when I was viewing at 10 power that the ends sticking out were very straight, also there were various thicknesses. I have printed out the materials w=you have located on line and will be keeping them on file for future questionable threads. Lorri There's also a test to distinguish cotton from linen done by pulling the thread apart and testing the strength of the fibers. Bottom of right-hand column on first page: http://www2.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/articles/hr1_fibr.pdf - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Re: Mystery Thread
Alright! NOW I'm happy. :-) Thanks Cindy! Nancy Connecticut, USA On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 10:32 AM, Cindy Rusak wrote: > ...I have a cone of thread that still has the original plastic cover and > labels on it (including the 9052), and it is the exact same as Lorri's > except it is 70/2. The FFR red label does say Fil de Lin Dentelles, so I > think Lorri's thread is linen. > - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Re: Mystery Thread
Hi All, I have a cone of thread that still has the original plastic cover and labels on it (including the 9052), and it is the exact same as Lorri's except it is 70/2. The FFR red label does say Fil de Lin Dentelles, so I think Lorri's thread is linen. From several cones I have, at one point it seems the colour of the plastic cone indicated the thread size, green for 90/2, red/orange for 80/2, grey for 70/2, etc., while newer cones seemed to have changed to all sizes having blue cones. Cheers, Cindy Rusak, Bracebridge, Ontario, Canada On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 9:46 AM, N.A. Neff wrote: > I'm sorry to be a stickler, but it is actually not conclusive that what > Lorri has is linen on the basis of Jane's evidence. Jane's second cone, > which is labeled linen, has a different stock number (9051 instead of > 9052). We still don't have a 9052 with an outer label on it. Neither of the > two cones in the picture, that are definitely labeled linen, match either > cone color of the 9052's. And Jane's 9052 is size 140/2, which is very fine > for a linen--not impossible of course, but less likely. > > > - > To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: > unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to > arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ > - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Re: Mystery Thread
There's also a test to distinguish cotton from linen done by pulling the thread apart and testing the strength of the fibers. Bottom of right-hand column on first page: http://www2.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/articles/hr1_fibr.pdf - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Re: Mystery Thread
I'm sorry to be a stickler, but it is actually not conclusive that what
Lorri has is linen on the basis of Jane's evidence. Jane's second cone,
which is labeled linen, has a different stock number (9051 instead of
9052). We still don't have a 9052 with an outer label on it. Neither of the
two cones in the picture, that are definitely labeled linen, match either
cone color of the 9052's. And Jane's 9052 is size 140/2, which is very fine
for a linen--not impossible of course, but less likely.
It would be nice to have Lorri's thread examined under higher
magnification. First, there's a quality difference:
"If you have access to a microscope, telling cotton and linen apart is
quite easy. Pick a few fibres off a thread and place them under the
microscope. Linen has smooth, straight fibres while cotton looks almost
wooly. It's a bit like straight vs curly hair." (
http://www.marquise.de/en/themes/howto/stoffkunde.shtml)
Secondly, and I think this is definitive, linen fibers and cotton fibers
come from different parts of the plant. Linen fibers are from the inner
bark of the flax stem ("bast fibers") and show nodes along their length.
Cotton fibers, from seed hairs in the flower head, do not have such nodes:
"An important property of bast fibres is that they contain a special
structure, the fibre node, that represents a weak point, and gives
flexibility. Seed hairs, such as cotton, do not have nodes." (
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bast_fibre)
Also, there are details of the burn test that would be more evidence,
although not nearly as definitive as the fiber structure. The website
http://mytextilenotes.blogspot.com/2010/02/distinguishing-linen-from-cotton.html
has a distinguishing criterion:
"5. On burning a linen thread, the fibers lie in the same position as
before with no change except the scorched appearance. Burning a cotton
thread causes the fibers to spread like a tuft."
Back to the lab bench, Lorri!!
Nancy
On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 4:55 AM, Jane wrote:
> ...
> One is on a grey cone with an internal sticker
> ART 9052
> 140/2
> ...
> The second cone is blue with an internal sticker
> Art 9051
> 100/2
> ...
> The main thing is that this second cone is unused and is in its original
> wrapper. The wrapper has a sticker stating (in blue ink)
>
> Fil de Lin a Dentelles
> ...
> I've just searched on line and there is a photo on the website
> https://bobbinlace.online/2017/09/24/thread-use-bobbin-lace-
> use-linen-bobbin-lace-thread/
> that shows two cones on the left of the picture, one is blue like mine,
> the other is green with a red label. The article makes clear that these are
> linen threads
>
> So you are correct in that the thread is linen.
> ...
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[lace] Re: Mystery Thread
Hello Lorri, Sorry I'm a bit late responding to your query. I have two cones of FFR thread given to me in the '80s. One is on a grey cone with an internal sticker ART 9052 140/2 WIT CA 3500m LOT 992 The second cone is blue with an internal sticker Art 9051 100/2 WIT CA 3000m LOT 2290 The main thing is that this second cone is unused and is in its original wrapper. The wrapper has a sticker stating (in blue ink) Fil de Lin a Dentelles BOUC 2 BTS F.F.R I've just searched on line and there is a photo on the website https://bobbinlace.online/2017/09/24/thread-use-bobbin-lace-use-linen-bobbin-lace-thread/ that shows two cones on the left of the picture, one is blue like mine, the other is green with a red label. The article makes clear that these are linen threads So you are correct in that the thread is linen. Best wishes, Jane - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
