[lace] Sewing out
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2016 12:41:11 -0400 From: Dan Brooks <calt...@yahoo.com> Subject: [lace] Sewing Out One of my favorite things to do is to find new ways to solve old problems Hi Dan It,s great to hear about new approaches. However, I agree about discolouration. I had a similar experience when making a covered box, the item was completely spoilt in 3 years. Another problem may be the effect on the thread. Some adhesives contain chemicals that will weaken and eventually destroy threads. Others contain solvents that will melt certain man-made fibres. There is little black lace still in existence although quantities were made in Victorian times because the black dye used has and is still destroying it. Even the majority of washing powders in use today will destroy natural fibres in 20 years. Today we make lace mainly for enjoyment, but the truth is that it it may last for hundreds of years, I have some dating from about 1680. Any treatment that could weaken fibres would have destroyed them by now and what a loss that would be. The only time I advocate using any form of glue is on very simple pieces that need stiffening e.g. flower petals. Otherwise please be very careful what you use. None of the adhesives available today has been around for over 50 years. We do not know their long-term effects on fibres. Keep trying, but proceed with caution Alex - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Sewing out
Thanks, Beverly, for sending me the original message. I now know that it's more the last ending threads rather than threads in and out of the main part of the lace. Please -- don't use glue on fine lace. The ending threads -- something we all have to learn to deal with. A square knot is usually used to tie off threads. I have seen (and used0 the triple knot only on the last 2 threads. Then. You can be a practical traditionalist and trim off the last threads and just leave the ends. I have seen this in many pictures of laces in books out of northern Europe. Or -- You can be a perfectionist and hide those ends by sewing them back into the lace, following the lines of the lace. Yes, it's finicky. And takes some practice to learn how to best hide that extra thread. If you explore some of the Finishing books available, you can find some methods using magic threads that pull the ends back into the lace. They take a bit of planning. Russian Lace has a method of pulling the threads back into the trail without knots. I have seen it diagrammed out but don't remember which books show it. Be brave and keep practicing. You will eventually think it no harder than doing it in the knitting and crochet. Alice in Oregon -- resting after demo-ing two days in the heat at Harvest Fest.where I actually made 2 square inches of lace between talking to people. They gave us a free lunch for out efforts.  That was nice of them. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Sewing Out
While we are on the topic of sewing out, I'd like to ask a question. When ending a project, I tie a square knot and sometimes another knot, so there are 3 half hitches, with each pair, as I've read that is what should be done. The knots have length to them, though I want them to be snug to the piece and invisible. Each half hitch makes a longer tail. Is that normal or am I doing something wrong? Jean Reardon, Mercer PA Where at least it isn't as hot as D.C. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Sewing Out - Anchoring threads
I cannot find the starting message of this series of messages, but it seems like someone is wanting to put glue on threads ends in a piece of lacewhen pairs are frequently added and removed.. I don't want hard spots that may turn color in something I've worked many hours making. I've never had a thread pull out of something that had threads added and removed. I anchor the threads when starting in a tight stitch or with gimp. A looped pair is easy because it can be looped around another pair or thread and a pin. If I have two single threads, I tie them and pin the knot above the place needed. Enclose the threads in a tightly made pin stitch.  When ending, I make sure the loose ends go through a firmly tensioned stitch. Throw back the bobbins.   Soon, I cut off the bobbins leaving several inches of thread ends, which are trimmed neatly after the lace is out of pins. When I say "go through" a stitch, I mean that I'm using two other pairs to make the stitch with the new threads being caught tightly in the stitch. I may not always do it exactly the same, but here is an example of laying in two single threads. I've never seen this in a book so the traditionalists may want to scold me. Lay new pair to one side of the stitch pairs. Make the first part of the stitch with the two stitch pairs (CTC)  Weave the new pair through both stitch pairs, twist new pair once at the end. Insert pin. Tension. Weave the new threads CTC back through both stitch pairs. Then close the stitch CTC with the stitch pairs. Tension firmly. The new threads should be well anchored within the stitch so they cannot casually pull out..  Alice in Oregon -- where it's hot and getting hotter this week. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Sewing Out
Hi, I have been using fray check for nearly 40 years but as Joepie says, do a double knot on each pair. Dip a pin in the Fray check bottle and just touch the middle of each knot individually. Leave strictly alone, about 30 minutes, before touching it. My lace was going out to up to 31 shows ( Bigginslace) a year and not one piece has discoloured. Vivienne > On 15 Aug 2016, at 20:11, J-D Hammett <jdhamm...@msn.com> wrote: > > Hi fellow Arachnids, > > Any glue /head cement (whatever that is) or other chemical compounds should > not be used on lace that you want to treasure for a long time. It will stain > your lace The tiniest bit of a glue such as Fray Check picked up on the end of > a pin might just be used on the knots of lace which will be used and washed > regularly (such as lace on a T-shirt). > > Please try to learn to knot off properly and where necessary and it is at all > possible sew the threads back into the lace. > > In very fine laces the threads from bobbins taken out in densely worked areas > can frequently be just thrown out and later cut close without even knotting > it. > > Joepie, Sussex, UK > > > > From: Bev Walker<mailto:walker.b...@gmail.com> > Sent: 15 August 2016 19:07 > To: Dan Brooks<mailto:calt...@yahoo.com> > Cc: Lace<mailto:lace@arachne.com> > Subject: Re: [lace] Sewing Out > > Hello Dan and everyone > > I'd say give it a try! There are water-based as well as the lacquer-based > head cements, yes? > Ether way, I don't think very much is needed to secure the thread end, the > tiniest of dabs, and shouldn't affect the rest of the lace. > > Other items used in fly-tying and -fishing that are handy for lacemaking > include - > - hackle pliers to grab a very short thread end, such as when a bobbin > thread breaks and we need to tie in a new thread > - leader line for an excellent reusable magic thread,a sewing out aid in > itself > - the fly tying vice for a third hand when required > - monofilament instead of wire for spangling > and > - I like the tools for dealing with split rings when making markers for > knitting > > This just might be the solution (pun intended) to the joins coming apart in > a large lace ornament I made. > off to raid someone's fly-tying kit (again) > > Why not use head cement after tying the knot? >> . >> Thoughts? > -- > Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of > Canada > > - > To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: > unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to > arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ > > - > To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: > unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to > arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
RE: [lace] Sewing Out
Hi fellow Arachnids, Any glue /head cement (whatever that is) or other chemical compounds should not be used on lace that you want to treasure for a long time. It will stain your lace The tiniest bit of a glue such as Fray Check picked up on the end of a pin might just be used on the knots of lace which will be used and washed regularly (such as lace on a T-shirt). Please try to learn to knot off properly and where necessary and it is at all possible sew the threads back into the lace. In very fine laces the threads from bobbins taken out in densely worked areas can frequently be just thrown out and later cut close without even knotting it. Joepie, Sussex, UK From: Bev Walker<mailto:walker.b...@gmail.com> Sent: 15 August 2016 19:07 To: Dan Brooks<mailto:calt...@yahoo.com> Cc: Lace<mailto:lace@arachne.com> Subject: Re: [lace] Sewing Out Hello Dan and everyone I'd say give it a try! There are water-based as well as the lacquer-based head cements, yes? Ether way, I don't think very much is needed to secure the thread end, the tiniest of dabs, and shouldn't affect the rest of the lace. Other items used in fly-tying and -fishing that are handy for lacemaking include - - hackle pliers to grab a very short thread end, such as when a bobbin thread breaks and we need to tie in a new thread - leader line for an excellent reusable magic thread,a sewing out aid in itself - the fly tying vice for a third hand when required - monofilament instead of wire for spangling and - I like the tools for dealing with split rings when making markers for knitting This just might be the solution (pun intended) to the joins coming apart in a large lace ornament I made. off to raid someone's fly-tying kit (again) Why not use head cement after tying the knot? > . > Thoughts? > > -- Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Sewing Out
Hello Dan and everyone I'd say give it a try! There are water-based as well as the lacquer-based head cements, yes? Ether way, I don't think very much is needed to secure the thread end, the tiniest of dabs, and shouldn't affect the rest of the lace. Other items used in fly-tying and -fishing that are handy for lacemaking include - - hackle pliers to grab a very short thread end, such as when a bobbin thread breaks and we need to tie in a new thread - leader line for an excellent reusable magic thread,a sewing out aid in itself - the fly tying vice for a third hand when required - monofilament instead of wire for spangling and - I like the tools for dealing with split rings when making markers for knitting This just might be the solution (pun intended) to the joins coming apart in a large lace ornament I made. off to raid someone's fly-tying kit (again) Why not use head cement after tying the knot? > . > Thoughts? > > -- Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Sewing Out
I’d be a worried that the oil in this head cement would penetrate the lace further than the spot where you put it. Oil changes the colour of natural fibres - I’ve damaged dozens of T-shirts when a small drop of oil turned into a nickel-sized stain! You can scrub a T-shirt and use stain removers on it, but that sort of heavy intervention would damage lace. Plus I don’t want hard spots here and there in my lace. I’ve never seen head cement, but it doesn’t sound soft and pliable to me. When I first started lacemaking, and was using thicker threads, I would put a dab of fabric glue on each knot. Those dabs, though the glue was advertised as clear and non-staining, turned deep amber colour within a couple of years. I no longer use anything on my lace that won’t rinse out. Usually by the time a lacemaker is making the finer laces where threads are added and taken out, they have absolutely no problem with ends. There are many techniques - you can run them into dense cloth stitch and then just clip close to the surface, you can run them for a while with the gimp and then clip off - there are whole books devoted to these tricks! Hope this helps. Adele West Vancouver, BC (west coast of Canada) > Why not use head cement after tying the knot? ... > > … I can see where this might not be necessary with a five pair tape lace, but > it > certainly might be nice with some of the more complex high pair count laces, > especially with those that require frequent adding and removing of additional > pairs throughout the work. > > Thoughts? > > Dan in DC being parboiled daily. > calt...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/