Re: [lace] US postal insurance -- packing info
le 3/09/05 22:47, Clay Blackwell à [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : I don't trust the postal system - insurance or no insurance. whatever the country , who does ? ! we all know some people have only taken the job for the loot . dominique from Paris, France . - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] US postal insurance -- packing info
I always feel more secure if I ask ( pay for) a 'return receipt' card. Then you have a receipt and signature of who signed for the package. Can't remember just how much it is $1.50 or so. You can do this with or without insurance. Lorri - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] US postal insurance -- packing info
I haven't heard of it, and when the postal employees offer the insurance, they certainly have never, in my hearing, told the customer of limitations. One other sidelight on my UPS experience (which I do not know if the same applies to the USPS) is that the claims rep didn't like my packing. He told me that even if I'd had an appraisal or a sales slip to verify the value, the claim would still have been denied. Not a professional packing job, he said. Once again, the clerk who took in my package blythely assured my mother and me, Don't worry, insured to $xxx value. No further information given. Of course, this isn't a concern if you are shipping a length of lace. But last week I shipped to my niece the large Bucks fan I'd made for my daughter's wedding. It is mounted on expensive fan sticks made by Malcome Cox. I could prove the value, at least for the fan sticks, but I didn't even bother with the insurance, given all the outs available to the shippers. (It has arrived safely, **big** sigh of relief! Regards, Carolyn -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 10:36 AM To: lace@arachne.com Subject: [lace] US postal insurance Carolyn Hastings wrote: In the US, people should know that they will not be paid one cent unless they have either a sales slip, or else an official appraisal. This sad lesson was something I learned when I shipped some antiques that my mother gave me. The people at UPS glibly told me it's automatically insured for $xxx. When the item in question arrived in a thousand pieces, my claim was denied. As the claims person informed me, I could have shipped anything, even the broken item. (I've yet to figure out how an official appraisal would have helped in that case!). I checked the rules at the US postal service, and was told that the same applied. This is interesting. I once borrowed a book from the IOLI library which is actually selling for a largish sum on the internet. On the return trip I tried to insure it for the largish sum and was told that the insurance would pay only if the item was damaged, but not if it was lost and simply never arrived. This seemed rather odd to me. Does the US Postal service ever pay off for an insured item? Devon - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] US postal insurance -- packing info
So do you have to have a receipt from a Pack and Ship and the number of the packer's certificate that he passed packing school, too? Devon - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I love your sense of humor. Wish I had had some myself when I found all this stuff out. vsg I used to naively pay for extra insurance for fancy dresses I'd made for my nieces. What a waste, however small -- I was later informed the most I'd have been reimbursed would be the purchase price of fabric, thread, etc. And in my litany of mishaps with the local USPS, I forgot to mention the day when they delivered mail for seven different addresses here, **not** including my own ... Well, I hope all this helps someone out there figure out what to do with their lace when they ship it. Carolyn -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 11:26 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; lace@arachne.com Subject: Re: [lace] US postal insurance -- packing info So do you have to have a receipt from a Pack and Ship and the number of the packer's certificate that he passed packing school, too? Devon - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Let me add my name to the list of people who receive important mail intended for others. I get in my car and deliver the mail that I get by mistake, if possible, so that the recipients receive a second mail delivery in a day. But do you know, I have never gotten a second mail delivery in a day. So, I have to assume that the people who are getting my mail are not delivering it. I don't have a lot of faith that they are taking it to a mail box for remailing either, since I live in a neighborhood where people are so cold that my next door neighbor actually ordered Girl Scout cookies from my daughter and then refused delivery. Devon - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] US postal insurance -- packing info
I know from experience of mailing entries for the IOLI competitions that the US Post Office will not reimburse for anything that does not have a receipt, even works of art. I wonder if we could overcome that by selling it to our spouse and getting a computer generated receipt from them for the value that we think the piece is worth? g I usually just send it Priority with no insurance but do get a tracking number or if I know the recipient will be home I get a return postcard, that way I know it has arrived. These days I usually omit the latter by asking for an email confirming receipt. Before reccent layoffs at the local post office the clerks were interested to see a picture of the latest competition attempt, now we have a few surly clerks who find it hard to even smile! Sending to Canada directly might be a problem for the recipient as I seem to remember Arachne members from Canada talking about having to pay a tax for receipt of parcels. Is that correct? Taking in our suitcase or sending with a friend will not work as the date for receipt of the competition pieces in usually July 1 or even June! It makes sense to send it to someone in the same country to avoid extra customs interaction but maybe Debra needs to include a form from entrants with the entry form that spells out that she is carrying the items on our behalf for an exhibit only. That last sentence makes it look like I am entering but at the moment I am just mulling ideas. :-) Regarding insurance at events, I looked into it with my local agent for our convention and she quoted thousands of dollars for the short event coverage. She said that if the IOLI had a policy with a history we could get coverage from that but at the moment they do not have any insurance policies and leave it to the hosts. It would be interesting to know how previous hosts have handled that situation. I know New Jersey had a policy for any events that they might do including demonstrating. We are still waiting to see if we can get a rider on the hotel insurance policy. I have never sent anything to the display before but maybe they include that they cannot be responsible for loss in the form that they require exhibitors to sign. I would be pleased to hear of any suggestions on insurance coverage for events but would hate to have to up the registration fees to cover it as they are getting higher and higher each year as it is. Janice Janice Blair Crystal Lake, 50 miles northwest of Chicago, Illinois, USA - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] US postal insurance -- packing info
Postal misdeliveries seem to be a fact of modern life; like Devon, I seem to do more delivering to others than receiving from others, but I've never had an important document (a bill, for example) go astray. I have, however, had items won on eBay get lost and unlike others on this list I've had little trouble getting the USPS to pay me the cost of the auction (properly documented with PayPal receipts) even in the case when the box arrived but the large glass bead inside didn't. I've never claimed for a damaged item but I've received reimbursements for both the damaged box and three complete non-arrivals. I suspect many of Carolyn's problems are local in origin--the staff at my post office made no such excuses and were helpful and friendly in all their dealings with me. Also, my experience suggests that it's wise to get at least a small amount of insurance on small or lumpy parcels, because the Post Office keeps better tabs on them if they're insured. I've been told in some areas getting a package like that insured is a bad idea because it makes them more likely to be stolen, but I've also been told the exact opposite--that insured packages are *less* likely to be stolen. Insured packages are definitely less likely to get lost. I don't bother insuring something bigger than a hardbound book because it probably won't get lost by mistake and insurance might make it more likely to get lost deliberately. Best wishes to all, Sue. Susan Lambiris Raleigh, NC [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] US postal insurance -- packing info
I used to re-deliver misdelivered mail, until the woman whose credit card I'd recieved was rude to me, in response to my complaint that her kid had been pretty rude to me when I asked if this was the residence of Mrs. X.X. XXX. Possibly he thought it was a sales person, but I didn't enjoy having to go through his remarks to do my little good deed. After that, I vowed to the post office that I would take no responsibility for misdelivered mail. But I can't be really that mean, so I just put it back in my mailbox marked Delivered to wrong address. All of these tales of woe are just the tip of the iceberg. There is also the collection of stories around attempts by my three children to have mail forwarded as they moved out of the house. Now I tell them not to bother. I've learned I can make up a sheet of my own forwarding labels and the mail will be delivered more quickly and consistantly. Just a tip, in case you ever find it useful. Regards, Carolyn -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 11:40 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; lace@arachne.com Subject: Re: [lace] US postal insurance -- packing info I get in my car and deliver the mail that I get by mistake, if possible, - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] US postal insurance -- packing info
Susan wrote: I have, however, had items won on eBay get lost . For e-bay items in purchased in England I have them sent to sister Jacquie. Earlier this year (Feb or March) she sent me a parcel containing a scarf (last thing my mum knitted before she died), and e-bay bobbin and a couple of other things. Unfortunately, it hasn't arrived yet, but I'm still hoping, especially for the scarf. Mum was in the middle of knitting one and I finished it while I was there for the funeral and gave it to my brother for my sister-in-law. Jacquie and I took the rest of the wool back to the shop and changed it for another colour and I knitted another scarf for Jacquie. When I came home I made another for my aunt in her favourite colours. I do hope mine turns up sometime :-( Malvary in Ottawa - where I the winters get very cold - Canada - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] US postal insurance -- packing info
Since this thread has taken on a life of its own, it seems to be something of concern to a lot of people. Personally, I have always been reluctant to place any of my lace in a competition. And the primary concerns are those which people have been talking about for the last week or more... I don't trust the postal system - insurance or no insurance. And, depending on the venue, I am not always comfortable with security at a display. (Judging the state fair with Tamara is what turned me off to that venue - and obviously it had to do with the lace of security, NOT my co-juror!!) I suppose that it has to do with how much time has gone into a piece. An original design may take hours and hours of gestation, but relatively little time in the actual execution of the piece, so that if the piece went astray, it would be possible to make another one in fairly short order if one were so inclined. On the other hand, I am inclined to tackle projects that take months and months to complete, and to me, the risk of loss far outweighs my desire to compete or display the piece. Which brings me to my point, patient spiders who may still be reading!! I ask this innocently, because I truly don't know the answer, nor the rationale... Has it ever been considered that people who wish to enter a competition might bring the piece with them to the convention and take it home with them at the end, which entirely eliminates the fear factor related to IOLI competitions? I am confident that the IOLI display rooms are carefully monitored and secure at all times. I guess I just don't know why one is required to have the piece in the hands of the committee almost a month in advance. How about an application which requires the dimensions of the piece as well as a picture of it, so that planning can be done ahead of time even though the piece is not there? Had this been an option, I definitely would have entered a piece this year in Denver, but could not bear the thought of having it go lost in the mail (AND, the piece's designer was here in July for a workshop, and I just HAD to have it available for him!). Hope someone knows the answers! Clay Clay Blackwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] US postal insurance -- packing info
At work before now, I've had some electronic components that would fit in the palm of my hand sent to me in something the size of a shoebox to make sure it couldn't get lost in the courier's van. Perhaps the same thing could be done with any lace that needs posting. Helen At 19:04 03/09/2005, Susan Lambiris wrote: .Also, my experience suggests that it's wise to get at least a small amount of insurance on small or lumpy parcels, because the Post Office keeps better tabs on them if they're insured. I've been told in some areas getting a package like that insured is a bad idea because it makes them more likely to be stolen, but I've also been told the exact opposite--that insured packages are *less* likely to be stolen. Insured packages are definitely less likely to get lost. I don't bother insuring something bigger than a hardbound book because it probably won't get lost by mistake and insurance might make it more likely to get lost deliberately. Helen, normally in Somerset, UK but back in Poole, Dorset for the summer Forget the formulae, let's make lace -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/89 - Release Date: 02/09/2005 - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] US postal insurance -- packing info
Dear Devon -- Drop that miserable neighborhood and come live here in Baltimore, a warm and loving neighborhood, where we will happily accept all the cookies you offer us, and I will personally see to it that you get two letters a day. -- Aurelia Let me add my name to the list of people who receive important mail intended for others. I get in my car and deliver the mail that I get by mistake, if possible, so that the recipients receive a second mail delivery in a day. But do you know, I have never gotten a second mail delivery in a day. So, I have to assume that the people who are getting my mail are not delivering it. I don't have a lot of faith that they are taking it to a mail box for remailing either, since I live in a neighborhood where people are so cold that my next door neighbor actually ordered Girl Scout cookies from my daughter and then refused delivery. Devon - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Two more items that no one has mentioned-- First, did you know that if you insure an item with USPS for $50.00 or less, they just leave it on the recipient's doorstep?!?! No signature is required at that level of insurance! I couldn't believe it when I heard that, but I've verified that it's true. Second, all this talk about what value to place on an item, lace or otherwise, seems almost irrelevant to me. If I've spent hours and hours making a piece of lace, I want it to reach its destination. If that doesn't happen, insurance money won't replace the item. Just my $.02 worth! Barbara Joyce Snoqualmie, WA USA - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
