Re: [Lazarus] Crowdfunding to speed up the development of pas2js in Lazarus Widgetset and fpDebug to FPC

2019-01-02 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys via lazarus
On 29/12/2018 16:35, Joost van der Sluis via lazarus wrote: > Then, when that person wants to withdraw the money, he/she has to pay > transaction costs. (Again, when you do this less often, there are less > transaction costs) Isn't that how PayPal works too? You pay a transaction cost when

Re: [Lazarus] Crowdfunding to speed up the development of pas2js in Lazarus Widgetset and fpDebug to FPC

2018-12-29 Thread Joost van der Sluis via lazarus
Op 29-12-18 om 17:23 schreef Michael Van Canneyt via lazarus: On Sat, 29 Dec 2018, wkitty42--- via lazarus wrote: This looks interesting. At least they don't seem to take an extra percentage off the donated amounts, you pay only the transaction costs. "you" who? the payer or the payee? A

Re: [Lazarus] Crowdfunding to speed up the development of pas2js in Lazarus Widgetset and fpDebug to FPC

2018-12-29 Thread Michael Van Canneyt via lazarus
On Sat, 29 Dec 2018, wkitty42--- via lazarus wrote: On 12/29/18 10:53 AM, Michael Van Canneyt via lazarus wrote: On Sat, 29 Dec 2018, Joost van der Sluis via lazarus wrote: If one wants reoccurring contributions, better use Liberapay. It also supports teams. And it's code is fully

Re: [Lazarus] Crowdfunding to speed up the development of pas2js in Lazarus Widgetset and fpDebug to FPC

2018-12-29 Thread wkitty42--- via lazarus
On 12/29/18 10:53 AM, Michael Van Canneyt via lazarus wrote: On Sat, 29 Dec 2018, Joost van der Sluis via lazarus wrote: If one wants reoccurring contributions, better use Liberapay. It also supports teams. And it's code is fully open-source. This looks interesting. At least they don't seem

Re: [Lazarus] Crowdfunding to speed up the development of pas2js in Lazarus Widgetset and fpDebug to FPC

2018-12-29 Thread Michael Van Canneyt via lazarus
On Sat, 29 Dec 2018, Joost van der Sluis via lazarus wrote: Op 27-12-18 om 13:20 schreef Graeme Geldenhuys via lazarus: On 21/12/2018 23:59, Dmitry Boyarintsev via lazarus wrote: It's 4 USD a month! https://www.patreon.com/skalogryz Patreon is amazing and so simple to use (from a

Re: [Lazarus] Crowdfunding to speed up the development of pas2js in Lazarus Widgetset and fpDebug to FPC

2018-12-29 Thread Joost van der Sluis via lazarus
Op 27-12-18 om 13:20 schreef Graeme Geldenhuys via lazarus: On 21/12/2018 23:59, Dmitry Boyarintsev via lazarus wrote: It's 4 USD a month! https://www.patreon.com/skalogryz Patreon is amazing and so simple to use (from a supporter point of view). I've supported many diverse projects on there

Re: [Lazarus] Crowdfunding to speed up the development of pas2js in Lazarus Widgetset and fpDebug to FPC

2018-12-27 Thread Dimitrios Chr. Ioannidis via lazarus
On 2018-12-27 14:20, Graeme Geldenhuys via lazarus wrote: On 21/12/2018 23:59, Dmitry Boyarintsev via lazarus wrote: It's 4 USD a month! https://www.patreon.com/skalogryz Patreon is amazing and so simple to use (from a supporter point of view). I've supported many diverse projects on there

Re: [Lazarus] Crowdfunding to speed up the development of pas2js in Lazarus Widgetset and fpDebug to FPC

2018-12-27 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys via lazarus
On 21/12/2018 23:59, Dmitry Boyarintsev via lazarus wrote: > It's 4 USD a month! > https://www.patreon.com/skalogryz Patreon is amazing and so simple to use (from a supporter point of view). I've supported many diverse projects on there already. Regards, Graeme -- fpGUI Toolkit - a

Re: [Lazarus] Crowdfunding to speed up the development of pas2js in Lazarus Widgetset and fpDebug to FPC

2018-12-22 Thread Florian Klämpfl via lazarus
Am 22.12.2018 um 16:28 schrieb Maciej Izak via lazarus: As this is a pure FPC topic and has nothing to do with Lazarus anymore, I will not continue to discuss here. Feel free to raise it again in fpc-other. -- ___ lazarus mailing list

Re: [Lazarus] Crowdfunding to speed up the development of pas2js in Lazarus Widgetset and fpDebug to FPC

2018-12-22 Thread Maciej Izak via lazarus
sob., 22 gru 2018 o 15:46 Florian Klämpfl via lazarus < lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org> napisał(a): > > Admin, lead of project, programmer and foundation ruler in one person? > > While it might be true or not if Michael takes all these "positions", he > does an incredible job for >20 years for >

Re: [Lazarus] Crowdfunding to speed up the development of pas2js in Lazarus Widgetset and fpDebug to FPC

2018-12-22 Thread Florian Klämpfl via lazarus
Am 21.12.2018 um 20:48 schrieb Maciej Izak via lazarus: > > All is fine when someone has the same opinion like Michael Van Canneyt. The > style of communication with Michael is > visible in this thread, when he know he is not right he is just ignoring > messages, but he is first to throw the

Re: [Lazarus] Crowdfunding to speed up the development of pas2js in Lazarus Widgetset and fpDebug to FPC

2018-12-22 Thread Maciej Izak via lazarus
sob., 22 gru 2018 o 13:02 Marco van de Voort via lazarus < lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org> napisał(a): > Most importantly, Michael's conduct was discussed and held up by Core. > Several other members stated that Maciej was hard and draining to work > with, and saw no other way then postponing his

Re: [Lazarus] Crowdfunding to speed up the development of pas2js in Lazarus Widgetset and fpDebug to FPC

2018-12-22 Thread Marco van de Voort via lazarus
Op 2018-12-21 om 21:59 schreef Travis Ayres via lazarus: When this issue cropped up on the mailing list, I went and reviewed the archive. You link to Michael finally "snapping", and even then he wasn't rude or out of place at all; I agree with Michael that the emails in the archives speak for

Re: [Lazarus] Crowdfunding to speed up the development of pas2js in Lazarus Widgetset and fpDebug to FPC

2018-12-21 Thread Dmitry Boyarintsev via lazarus
On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 6:38 PM Michael Van Canneyt via lazarus < lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote: > > Good news :) Which platform did you use ? Do you still need contributions ? > > Patreon.com It's 4 USD a month! https://www.patreon.com/skalogryz --

Re: [Lazarus] Crowdfunding to speed up the development of pas2js in Lazarus Widgetset and fpDebug to FPC

2018-12-21 Thread Giuliano Colla via lazarus
Il 21/12/2018 19:15, Michael Van Canneyt via lazarus ha scritto: If we decide on using a crowdfunding platform, I would rather go for one of the sites mentioned here: Given the amount of funds raised and the number of projects involved, I believe that a simple grid in an html page, showing

Re: [Lazarus] Crowdfunding to speed up the development of pas2js in Lazarus Widgetset and fpDebug to FPC

2018-12-21 Thread Michael Van Canneyt via lazarus
On Fri, 21 Dec 2018, Dmitry Boyarintsev via lazarus wrote: On Friday, December 21, 2018, Michael Van Canneyt via lazarus < lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote: If we decide on using a crowdfunding platform, I would rather go for one of the sites mentioned here:

Re: [Lazarus] Crowdfunding to speed up the development of pas2js in Lazarus Widgetset and fpDebug to FPC

2018-12-21 Thread Dmitry Boyarintsev via lazarus
On Friday, December 21, 2018, Michael Van Canneyt via lazarus < lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote: > > If we decide on using a crowdfunding platform, I would rather go for one > of the sites mentioned here: > > https://www.crowdfunding.com/ > I’ve been successful in establishing crowdfunding

Re: [Lazarus] Crowdfunding to speed up the development of pas2js in Lazarus Widgetset and fpDebug to FPC

2018-12-21 Thread Michael Van Canneyt via lazarus
On Fri, 21 Dec 2018, Sven Barth via lazarus wrote: Am Fr., 21. Dez. 2018, 20:48 hat Maciej Izak via lazarus < lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org> geschrieben: Admin, lead of project, programmer and foundation ruler in one person? Too much power always corrupts. I personally consider Florian

Re: [Lazarus] Crowdfunding to speed up the development of pas2js in Lazarus Widgetset and fpDebug to FPC

2018-12-21 Thread Travis Ayres via lazarus
When this issue cropped up on the mailing list, I went and reviewed the archive. You link to Michael finally "snapping", and even then he wasn't rude or out of place at all; I agree with Michael that the emails in the archives speak for themselves. Michael seems extremely patient and completely

Re: [Lazarus] Crowdfunding to speed up the development of pas2js in Lazarus Widgetset and fpDebug to FPC

2018-12-21 Thread Sven Barth via lazarus
Am Fr., 21. Dez. 2018, 20:48 hat Maciej Izak via lazarus < lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org> geschrieben: > Admin, lead of project, programmer and foundation ruler in one person? Too > much power always corrupts. > I personally consider Florian as lead of project. He started FPC after all.

Re: [Lazarus] Crowdfunding to speed up the development of pas2js in Lazarus Widgetset and fpDebug to FPC

2018-12-21 Thread Maciej Izak via lazarus
pt., 21 gru 2018 o 19:28 Travis Ayres via lazarus < lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org> napisał(a): > There needs to be provisions for making people full time to work on > FPC/Lazarus as well - > "Foundation makes provision {document or processes} for administrative > costs, in order to make their

Re: [Lazarus] Crowdfunding to speed up the development of pas2js in Lazarus Widgetset and fpDebug to FPC

2018-12-21 Thread Travis Ayres via lazarus
There needs to be provisions for making people full time to work on FPC/Lazarus as well - "Foundation makes provision {document or processes} for administrative costs, in order to make their application transparent and in consideration of the valuable time of contributors, with Foundation approval

Re: [Lazarus] Crowdfunding to speed up the development of pas2js in Lazarus Widgetset and fpDebug to FPC

2018-12-21 Thread Travis Ayres via lazarus
Something like, "The following companies and/or persons have violated foundation rule {whatever} and will not receive consideration from the Foundation without {process}" and add MLM Vibes to it, so they can officially never be considered for anything, ever? Also, as far as processes go, there

Re: [Lazarus] Crowdfunding to speed up the development of pas2js in Lazarus Widgetset and fpDebug to FPC

2018-12-21 Thread Michael Van Canneyt via lazarus
On Fri, 21 Dec 2018, Travis Ayres via lazarus wrote: Can we add a list of business to never do business with as an foundation charter point, and add "MLM Vibes" to it? I'll help write that up. +1 :) Michael. -- ___ lazarus mailing list

Re: [Lazarus] Crowdfunding to speed up the development of pas2js in Lazarus Widgetset and fpDebug to FPC

2018-12-21 Thread Michael Van Canneyt via lazarus
On Fri, 21 Dec 2018, Juha Manninen via lazarus wrote: Was this a MLM Vibes advertisement all the time? Oh boy! The same thought crossed my mind :) And if MLM means Multi-Level-Marketing (aka pyramid scheme), I want nothing to do with it. If we decide on using a crowdfunding platform, I

Re: [Lazarus] Crowdfunding to speed up the development of pas2js in Lazarus Widgetset and fpDebug to FPC

2018-12-21 Thread Travis Ayres via lazarus
Can we add a list of business to never do business with as an foundation charter point, and add "MLM Vibes" to it? I'll help write that up. On Fri, Dec 21, 2018, 10:07 AM Juha Manninen via lazarus < lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org wrote: > Was this a MLM Vibes advertisement all the time? > Oh boy!

Re: [Lazarus] Crowdfunding to speed up the development of pas2js in Lazarus Widgetset and fpDebug to FPC

2018-12-21 Thread Juha Manninen via lazarus
Was this a MLM Vibes advertisement all the time? Oh boy! Juha -- ___ lazarus mailing list lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org https://lists.lazarus-ide.org/listinfo/lazarus

Re: [Lazarus] Crowdfunding to speed up the development of pas2js in Lazarus Widgetset and fpDebug to FPC

2018-12-21 Thread Edivando via lazarus
MLM Vibes gives you the best electronic Crowd funding softwares to oversee and control your Crowd funding business. The MLM Vibes Crowd Funding Plan software specializes in implementing highly powerful and effective crowdfunding MLM plan that will give your business instant boost through crowd

Re: [Lazarus] Crowdfunding to speed up the development of pas2js in Lazarus Widgetset and fpDebug to FPC

2018-12-21 Thread Edivando via lazarus
MLM Vibes gives you the best electronic Crowd funding softwares to oversee and control your Crowd funding business. The MLM Vibes Crowd Funding Plan software specializes in implementing highly powerful and effective crowdfunding MLM plan that will give your business instant boost through crowd

Re: [Lazarus] Crowdfunding to speed up the development of pas2js in Lazarus Widgetset and fpDebug to FPC

2018-12-20 Thread Maciej Izak via lazarus
czw., 20 gru 2018 o 09:33 Michael Van Canneyt via lazarus < lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org> napisał(a): > This is a blatant lie and - to use the popular vernacular - fake news. http://lists.freepascal.org/pipermail/fpc-devel/2018-May/038897.html In general the situation is very simple. You have

Re: [Lazarus] Crowdfunding to speed up the development of pas2js in Lazarus Widgetset and fpDebug to FPC

2018-12-20 Thread Michael Van Canneyt via lazarus
On Wed, 19 Dec 2018, Maciej Izak via lazarus wrote: śr., 19 gru 2018 o 16:58 Edivando via lazarus napisał(a): I will get support from solid projects like Mormort to help with these efforts and NewPascal to help with this restructuring. Hello Edivando, I am the maintainer of NewPascal

Re: [Lazarus] Crowdfunding to speed up the development of pas2js in Lazarus Widgetset and fpDebug to FPC

2018-12-19 Thread Edivando via lazarus
An informative blog on the subject. https://www.sitepoint.com/crowdfunding-software-project/ -- Sent from: http://free-pascal-lazarus.989080.n3.nabble.com/ -- ___ lazarus mailing list lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org

Re: [Lazarus] Crowdfunding to speed up the development of pas2js in Lazarus Widgetset and fpDebug to FPC

2018-12-19 Thread Maciej Izak via lazarus
śr., 19 gru 2018 o 16:58 Edivando via lazarus napisał(a): > I will get support from solid projects like Mormort to help with these > efforts and NewPascal to help with this restructuring. > Hello Edivando, I am the maintainer of NewPascal and the only what I have to say in this topic is:

Re: [Lazarus] Crowdfunding to speed up the development of pas2js in Lazarus Widgetset and fpDebug to FPC

2018-12-19 Thread Juha Manninen via lazarus
On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 5:58 PM Edivando via lazarus wrote: > I think it is a very worthwhile initiative to seek out stakeholders for a > restructuring of a new foundation that I have set as the main goal of the > community's interests. I am not sure if I understand the translation correctly.

Re: [Lazarus] Crowdfunding to speed up the development of pas2js in Lazarus Widgetset and fpDebug to FPC

2018-12-19 Thread Edivando via lazarus
Ok se vocês pensam assim vou buscar apoio da comunidade para reformular a forma como os projetos do FPC/Lazarus/Pas2js são mantidos pela fundação. Vejo que apenas os interesses de poucos estão sendo priorizados e não da comunidade como um todo. Vou buscar apoio de projetos sólidos como o

Re: [Lazarus] Crowdfunding to speed up the development of pas2js in Lazarus Widgetset and fpDebug to FPC

2018-12-18 Thread Michael Van Canneyt via lazarus
On Wed, 19 Dec 2018, Juha Manninen via lazarus wrote: On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 2:08 AM Michael Van Canneyt via lazarus wrote: So if someone wants the job of webmaster/webdesigner: he can have it. +1 Such a person would be important to raise the foundation's visibility and perception to a

Re: [Lazarus] Crowdfunding to speed up the development of pas2js in Lazarus Widgetset and fpDebug to FPC

2018-12-18 Thread Mattias Gaertner via lazarus
Hi Edivando, Why do you cross post to several mailing lists? Please google "why cross posting is bad". On Tue, 18 Dec 2018 18:41:07 -0700 (MST) Edivando via lazarus wrote: >[...] > This idea of ​​Crowdfunding would be so wonderful to the community > that it would benefit interested in

Re: [Lazarus] Crowdfunding to speed up the development of pas2js in Lazarus Widgetset and fpDebug to FPC

2018-12-18 Thread Edivando via lazarus
Essa ideia de Crowdfunding seria tão maravilhosa para a comunidade que beneficiaria interessados em desenvolver soluções e comunidade como também a fundação onde por contrato na formulação do Crowdfunding uma porcentagem do dinheiro seria redirecionado para a fundação para manter os custos atuais

Re: [Lazarus] Crowdfunding to speed up the development of pas2js in Lazarus Widgetset and fpDebug to FPC

2018-12-18 Thread Juha Manninen via lazarus
On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 2:08 AM Michael Van Canneyt via lazarus wrote: > So if someone wants the job of webmaster/webdesigner: > he can have it. +1 Such a person would be important to raise the foundation's visibility and perception to a new level. I do not volunteer now for various reasons but

Re: [Lazarus] Crowdfunding to speed up the development of pas2js in Lazarus Widgetset and fpDebug to FPC

2018-12-18 Thread Juha Manninen via lazarus
On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 1:19 AM Michael Van Canneyt via lazarus wrote: > Of course it is, it's even in the menu. > https://foundation.freepascal.org/projects/pastojs Yes, sorry. Somehow I missed it. > I have not seen such a request. At least, I have no recollection of it. Maybe it was only me

Re: [Lazarus] Crowdfunding to speed up the development of pas2js in Lazarus Widgetset and fpDebug to FPC

2018-12-18 Thread Michael Van Canneyt via lazarus
> I know that I haven't donated because there is no breakdown of funds > spent, > technical items achieved, conferences held, books published, articles > printed, industry partners, etc. Technical items achieved: they are listed in the projects. Even pas2js is there. > > There doesn't seem to be

Re: [Lazarus] Crowdfunding to speed up the development of pas2js in Lazarus Widgetset and fpDebug to FPC

2018-12-18 Thread Juha Manninen via lazarus
On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 12:24 AM Jy V via lazarus wrote: > My donations still appears as active and I am happy with the current status: > > https://foundation.freepascal.org/projects/pastojs > https://foundation.freepascal.org/projects/webassembly-support Ah damn, it is listed as "Pascal to

Re: [Lazarus] Crowdfunding to speed up the development of pas2js in Lazarus Widgetset and fpDebug to FPC

2018-12-18 Thread Michael Van Canneyt via lazarus
> On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 9:17 PM Michael Van Canneyt via lazarus > wrote: >> Why do you need a separate crowdfunding effort, if the Free Pascal and >> Lazarus foundation has been created specially for this ? > > Pas2JS was supported by the foundation more than any other project, if > I

Re: [Lazarus] Crowdfunding to speed up the development of pas2js in Lazarus Widgetset and fpDebug to FPC

2018-12-18 Thread Travis Ayres via lazarus
I know that I haven't donated because there is no breakdown of funds spent, technical items achieved, conferences held, books published, articles printed, industry partners, etc. There doesn't seem to be any organization or progress with the foundation. There isn't even a listing of FPC/Lazarus

Re: [Lazarus] Crowdfunding to speed up the development of pas2js in Lazarus Widgetset and fpDebug to FPC

2018-12-18 Thread Jy V via lazarus
On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 7:27 PM Juha Manninen via lazarus < lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote: > However there is no way to donate for a specific project. The money > goes into a black hole. Its usage for various projects is not reported > even afterwards. > My donations still appears as

Re: [Lazarus] Crowdfunding to speed up the development of pas2js in Lazarus Widgetset and fpDebug to FPC

2018-12-18 Thread Juha Manninen via lazarus
On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 9:17 PM Michael Van Canneyt via lazarus wrote: > Why do you need a separate crowdfunding effort, if the Free Pascal and > Lazarus foundation has been created specially for this ? Pas2JS was supported by the foundation more than any other project, if I understood right.

Re: [Lazarus] Crowdfunding to speed up the development of pas2js in Lazarus Widgetset and fpDebug to FPC

2018-12-17 Thread Edivando via lazarus
Boa tarde, Vejo que para projetos específicos onde os usuários estão procurando soluções com uma rapidez maior seria viável essa modalidade pois dessa forma o usuário poderia cobrar do andamento do processo pois de certa forma estaria ajudando diretamente no pagamento do projeto, porém sem

Re: [Lazarus] Crowdfunding to speed up the development of pas2js in Lazarus Widgetset and fpDebug to FPC

2018-12-17 Thread Michael Van Canneyt via lazarus
Why do you need a separate crowdfunding effort, if the Free Pascal and Lazarus foundation has been created specially for this ? Michael. On Mon, 17 Dec 2018, Edivando via lazarus wrote: Crowdfunding para acelerar o desenvolvimento do pas2js e Lazarus Widgetset com pas2js. Criação de um

[Lazarus] Crowdfunding to speed up the development of pas2js in Lazarus Widgetset and fpDebug to FPC

2018-12-17 Thread Edivando via lazarus
Crowdfunding para acelerar o desenvolvimento do pas2js e Lazarus Widgetset com pas2js. Criação de um fundo de doação para criação, manutenção e melhorias de um pas2js widgetset no Lazarus, compatível com os principais componentes da LCL. Onde esse fundo custear o desenvolvimento acelerado desse