On 02/28/2012 04:20 PM, Massimo Soricetti wrote:
I agree absolutely. Trying to use a complex entity as
Lazarus+FPC+LCL+packages without extensive documentation it's a
delusion, and this should be obvious to every programmer in the world
nowadays.
Here, very recently, has been a very
On 02/28/2012 05:25 PM, William Oliveira Ferreira wrote:
sometimes all lazarus' users wanna see core team do something that
themselves can
Of course there are many outside the core team who would be able and
willing to help improving the documentation. But to allow them to do
this, there
I'm thinking here, a tool like we have on php.net that allows everyone
to post comments on wiki pages should be good to keep somethings as it
goes by now. many people post case of use of functions, alternate
routines, when they shouldn't be used, etc. it's easy enable user's
comment on lazarus'
On 28-2-2012 9:43, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho wrote:
But summing up, more then yet another discussion on this topic, what
really helps is contributions. If you think that Pascal needs better
support for the Internet, well, then just write some tutorials about
fpweb, write a usage statistics
Well, i think all pascal developers should do something about it and, all
the fpc/lazarus team is doing a wonderfull work!
William de Oliveira Ferreira
Bacharel em Sistemas de Informação
2012/2/28 Graeme Geldenhuys graemeg.li...@gmail.com
I believe that is a
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 12:30 PM, Graeme Geldenhuys
graemeg.li...@gmail.com wrote:
I believe that is a lost cause, because Pascal doesn't exist, or
Pascal is just uncool. :-(
I think not necessarely. Last year I complained a bit and they were
quite open about it, and apparently they changed
От: Lukasz Sokol
Относно: Re: [Lazarus] Why the Java became so strong?
До: lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org
Изпратено на: Вторник, 2012, Февруари 28 11:08:16 EET
On 27/02/2012 11:49, Rigel Rigel wrote:
[snip]
Sorry for cutting all of this out, but [to the OP]:
As you can see
to continue.
От: Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
Относно: Re: [Lazarus] Why the Java became so strong?
До: Lazarus mailing list
Изпратено на: Вторник, 2012, Февруари 28 10:43:08 EET
2012/2/28 Rigel Rigel :
I think Java is a C/C++
dialect.
Java is totally different from C/C++, it is only
On 28/02/2012 12:11, Rigel R. wrote:
I do not understand why insulting me. Maybe because you are stupid
and do not understand what I write? All described applications using
CGI or others languages who are not written in Pascal. Now you
understand or you need more explanations? If so, read the
My intend in start this thread was in order to make visible the potential
of the FPC/Lazarus, that i believe is more than Java.
2012/2/28 Lukasz Sokol el.es...@gmail.com
On 28/02/2012 12:11, Rigel R. wrote:
I do not understand why insulting me. Maybe because you are stupid
and do not
Il 28/02/2012 16:01, Hans-Peter Diettrich ha scritto:
Yes, much time is spent on the *code*, on mass instead of quality.
No, the *documentation* is in an horrible state.
Every possible user will need some documentation, before he starts to
write code. As he doesn't find such documentation,
Am Dienstag, den 28.02.2012, 16:01 +0100 schrieb Hans-Peter Diettrich:
William Oliveira Ferreira schrieb:
Well, i think all pascal developers should do something about it and,
all the fpc/lazarus team is doing a wonderfull work!
+-1
Yes, much time is spent on the *code*, on mass
Am 28.02.2012 17:25, schrieb William Oliveira Ferreira:
sometimes all lazarus' users wanna see core team do something that
themselves can
Thank you for speaking that out aloud :)
writing a basic article of how to compile a basic application, how
compiler directives affects the way fpc manage
That's just the way i understand the meaning of community and opensource
projects: Everyone helping with what they can (if they want), not just a
little group...
Today, i simply can't get the lazarus' source and solve a bug because i
have a limted knowledge of how it works internally but i can
Am Dienstag, den 28.02.2012, 13:25 -0300 schrieb William Oliveira
Ferreira:
sometimes all lazarus' users wanna see core team do something that
themselves can
I absolutely agree with you. Because I do I'd like to ask you to do two
things:
1. Please answer to the mail you're referring to - which
I'm always looking for ways of more participation and, please, believe me,
today is not clear. If you work on a company, by example, embarcadero, is
very clear the way the work is done. There's a very well knew structure of
how that happens. Here, i'm on a small company making software and the
2012/2/28 Marc Santhoff m.santh...@web.de
2. Do not top post, instead try to reply inline, so anyone can
understand, what part of the mail you are talking about.
Sorry about that. I do it 'cos gMail do it automatically and i just follow,
but i'll try to stop...
--
I understand what you want to help but i don't think it's too hard as i
understand how. Exaclty how you wanna help? As i can see, if you found a
bug and solved it in your pc, you can submit a patch generated by a svn
tool in bugtracker. If you wanna enter in the core staff, well, the current
staff
On 2/28/12 12:27 PM, Everton Vieira wrote:
I'm always looking for ways of more participation and, please, believe
me, today is not clear. If you work on a company, by example,
embarcadero, is very clear the way the work is done. There's a very
well knew structure of how that happens. Here, i'm
I'll try once more to tell on what i'm refering: project managemant of the
development. All that i have to say about it is in that. Who some day had
worked with project management and has the insight of how could be done in
the open source enviroment knows on what i'm talking about it.
2012/2/28
Am Dienstag, den 28.02.2012, 13:23 -0500 schrieb Rich Saunders:
Today, i simply can't get the lazarus' source and solve a bug
because i have a limted knowledge of how it works internally but
i
can submit bugs on mantis, that's a way that i can help. On my
environment, with
2012/2/28 Everton Vieira tonvie...@gmail.com
I'll try once more to tell on what i'm refering: project managemant of
the development. All that i have to say about it is in that. Who some day
had worked with project management and has the insight of how could be done
in the open source
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 9:52 PM, waldo kitty wkitt...@windstream.net wrote:
why did they reject? do they, too, think that pascal is dead?
No reason was provided.
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Marc Santhoff schrieb:
rant
If poeple would stop ranting or complaining, real work could be getting
done. Why do discussions like this end up in the same complaints any
time?
/rant
Right, the customers are the brake-shoes in every business. Simply
ignoring them will increase the in-house
Marc Santhoff schrieb:
Am Dienstag, den 28.02.2012, 16:01 +0100 schrieb Hans-Peter Diettrich:
William Oliveira Ferreira schrieb:
Well, i think all pascal developers should do something about it and,
all the fpc/lazarus team is doing a wonderfull work!
+-1
Yes, much time is spent on the
Am Dienstag, den 28.02.2012, 21:56 +0100 schrieb Hans-Peter Diettrich:
Marc Santhoff schrieb:
rant
If poeple would stop ranting or complaining, real work could be getting
done. Why do discussions like this end up in the same complaints any
time?
/rant
Right, the customers are the
Am Dienstag, den 28.02.2012, 21:45 +0100 schrieb Hans-Peter Diettrich:
Marc Santhoff schrieb:
Am Dienstag, den 28.02.2012, 16:01 +0100 schrieb Hans-Peter Diettrich:
William Oliveira Ferreira schrieb:
Well, i think all pascal developers should do something about it and,
all the
What is the main reason that Java / C + + is better known than Lazarus / FPC?
INTERNET. For Example even Microsoft in his great years can't beat Internet! If
you remember the advertising of one of the version of Windows was: The
Internet looks like Windows! They understood that it is not so.
2012/2/27 Rigel Rigel :
Web Programing. I know only one web sait written in Lazarus:
www.lazarussupport.com.
Here you go, here is a wiki engine and website I wrote in Object
Pascal. It's a very small application, but it's a website written in
Object Pascal, using the Lazarus IDE (though any
2012/2/27 Rigel Rigel ri...@gbg.bg:
Interten applications like below was writen on C/C++
I never heard of a web page written in C/C++
Even Lazarus use qt, gtk...
Not necessarely. In LCL for Android everything is done in Lazarus
itself: http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Custom_Drawn_Interface
On Mon, 27 Feb 2012 13:35:08 +0100
Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho felipemonteiro.carva...@gmail.com wrote:
I never heard of a web page written in C/C++
http://cppcms.com/wikipp/en/page/main
or
http://www.webtoolkit.eu/wt/
R.
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On 25/02/2012 21:51, Frank Church wrote:
[...]
You have Delphi to blame here, because somehow Borland's marketing of
Delphi deemphasized the Pascal dimension of Delphi with the effect
that most people don't identify Pascal with Delphi. The terms FPC and
Lazarus don't give any indication that
2012/2/25 Frank Church vfclists@
The terms FPC and Lazarus don't give any indication that Pascal is the
language.
I only noticed now that your statement is totally wrong. You do
realise that FPC is an acronym for Free Pascal Compiler? Note the
word Pascal? You can't get much clearer
От: Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
Относно: Re: [Lazarus] Why the Java became so strong?
До: Lazarus mailing list
Изпратено на: Понеделник, 2012, Февруари 27 14:35:08 EET
2012/2/27 Rigel Rigel :
Interten applications like below was writen on C/C++
I never heard of a web page written
Graeme Geldenhuys wrote:
4 Hours later we had a
working product that did everything we required! Another hour later,
the database was loaded with all our existing bug reports, feature
requests, attachments like images, sound clips etc.
I would love to see somebody else do similar with other
2012/2/26 zeljko :
I just wrote an article on how to write an Android app, using only the
Android Java APIs.
Where's link to that article ?
If it is for the same magazine I write for (freeX), then the next
publish date is 1 March, and articles may only be made public (by the
author) one
On 26 February 2012 10:31, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:
used as a system programming language. My own experience indicates that as
soon as you start using a 4GL or similar for anything that the implementors
didn't think of you're in very deep water.
I guess in my 5 years of Turbo Pascal and 15
On 25 February 2012 22:29, Graeme Geldenhuys graemeg.li...@gmail.comwrote:
2012/2/25 Frank Church :
who ask themselves If I am starting a new project, is Pascal the right
one?
Of course not!
snip
In relation to Eclipse above, The minimum 2Gb or even 4Gb or RAM needed to
run Eclipse
Graeme Geldenhuys wrote:
On 26 February 2012 10:31, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote: used as a system programming
language. My own experience indicates that as soon as you start using a 4GL or
similar for anything that the implementors didn't think of you're in very deep water.
I guess in my 5 years
On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 2:17 PM, Marc Santhoff m.santh...@web.de wrote:
And something more:
I can hardly close my mouth reading that lazarus and fpc are generating
java byte code and are having an android widget set. I'll try using that
as soon as possible.
=) Just one small correction: The
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 02:55:17PM -0200, Everton Vieira wrote:
How to improve things:
- Better container lib.
- Better documentation.
- Easier installation.
- Publicity! This would be the most important now. The other parts are in a
decently good condition.
Successful projects have a
On 25 February 2012 13:52, Marco van de Voort mar...@stack.nl wrote:
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 02:55:17PM -0200, Everton Vieira wrote:
How to improve things:
- Better container lib.
- Better documentation.
- Easier installation.
- Publicity! This would be the most important now. The
On 25.02.2012 18:19, Frank Church wrote:
Many Pascal programmers are well versed in the language, and the
associated tools, having began using it even before the Turbo Pascal
era. let alone the Dephi/Object Pascal period. They are quite fine
working as they are and can get to speed quickly.
On Sat, 25 Feb 2012, Frank Church wrote:
How about the reluctance to put documentation in library code? The policy with
fpdoc is to create documentation separately from code. The problem is who has
time for that. If documentation goes into the code it is better as it forces
you to think
On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 18:49:18 +0100 (CET)
Michael Van Canneyt mich...@freepascal.org wrote:
FPC can produce Java Bytecode and can leverage the whole Java API and all
Java libraries.
But neither FPC nor Lazarus can give you all the goodies the Android SDK
Eclipse plugin can give you
2012/2/13 Everton Vieira tonvie...@gmail.com
This discussion walked too much about the tech which i don`t think is the
case.
But JuhaManninen had said so goodly:
The fact is that FPC / Lazarus is an almost unknown niche language /
environment. I am studying information technology and
On Sat, 25 Feb 2012, Reimar Grabowski wrote:
On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 18:49:18 +0100 (CET)
Michael Van Canneyt mich...@freepascal.org wrote:
FPC can produce Java Bytecode and can leverage the whole Java API and all Java
libraries.
But neither FPC nor Lazarus can give you all the goodies the
2012/2/25 Frank Church :
who ask themselves If I am starting a new project, is Pascal the right one?
Of course not!
I don't get that... why not? Pascal (or rather Object Pascal) is a
brilliant language. It is easy to read and understand - even by
non-Pascal developers (just like I can read and
On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 23:08:11 +0100
Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho felipemonteiro.carva...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 10:12 PM, Reimar Grabowski reimg...@web.de wrote:
But neither FPC nor Lazarus can give you all the goodies the Android SDK
Eclipse plugin can give you
If
On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 23:21:16 +0100 (CET)
Michael Van Canneyt mich...@freepascal.org wrote:
Luckily, I didn't claim any such thing :)
Luckily, I never said you did. :)
I can do anything I want/need with FPC/Lazarus itself, for me that is good
enough.
Most likely I can, too, but I would miss
On Saturday 25 of February 2012 18:49:18 Michael Van Canneyt wrote:
On Sat, 25 Feb 2012, Frank Church wrote:
How about the reluctance to put documentation in library code? The policy
with fpdoc is to create documentation separately from code. The problem
is who has time for that. If
Why the Java became so strong?
We could think about the good large library.
We could think about the eclipse IDE.
We could think about the partnerships.
But doesn`t matter.
What`s matter is that the fpc/lazarus has even more potential than.
What`s matter is why this potential have not yet
This is a good question, I think. No idea what the answer is -- just
familiar with the TIOBE data.
My guess is that JAVA has more corporate sponsorship -- but I will be
interested in hearing what others have to say.
I often wonder if there would be any possibility of a creative,
On 13-2-2012 16:19, Everton Vieira wrote:
Why the Java became so strong?
We could think about the good large library.
We could think about the eclipse IDE.
We could think about the partnerships.
But doesn`t matter.
What`s matter is that the fpc/lazarus has even more potential than.
On 13 February 2012 17:19, Everton Vieira tonvie...@gmail.com wrote:
Why the Java became so strong?
We could think about the good large library.
We could think about the eclipse IDE.
We could think about the partnerships.
But doesn`t matter.
What`s matter is that the fpc/lazarus has even
Em 13/02/2012, às 13:45, Reinier Olislagers escreveu:
I think a lot of people will appreciate it if you start a new topic by
posting a new message to the list, not replying to a previous message.
I though i had separated the topics, sorry about it.
Otherwise, your messages end up in the
I found this:
http://forum.lazarus.freepascal.org/index.php/topic,13754.msg86355.html#msg86355
But not sure if you referred this.
Em 13/02/2012, às 14:06, Everton Vieira escreveu:
Em 13/02/2012, às 13:45, Reinier Olislagers escreveu:
I think a lot of people will appreciate it if you start
On 13-2-2012 17:24, Everton Vieira wrote:
I found this:
http://forum.lazarus.freepascal.org/index.php/topic,13754.msg86355.html#msg86355
But not sure if you referred this.
Yep, that's the thread I was talking about...
Regards,
Reinier
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This discussion walked too much about the tech which i don`t think is the case.But JuhaManninen hadsaid sogoodly:"The fact is that FPC / Lazarus is an almost unknown niche language / environment. I am studying information technology and programming in a university of applied sciences and there
The market and the education environments are practical unaware that we exist.
Em 13/02/2012, às 14:55, Everton Vieira escreveu:
This discussion walked too much about the tech which i don`t think is the
case.
But JuhaManninen had said so goodly:
The fact is that FPC / Lazarus is an
On 13.02.2012 17:55, Everton Vieira wrote:
But JuhaManninen had said so goodly:
The fact is that FPC / Lazarus is an almost unknown niche language /
environment. I am studying information technology and programming in a
university of applied sciences and there nobody knows about FPC or
Sven Barth wrote:
On 13.02.2012 17:55, Everton Vieira wrote:
But JuhaManninen had said so goodly:
The fact is that FPC / Lazarus is an almost unknown niche language /
environment. I am studying information technology and programming in a
university of applied sciences and there nobody knows
Thanks for the correction! :-)
Must be my english that fails!
Em 13/02/2012, às 17:44, Marcos Douglas escreveu:
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 4:40 PM, Everton Vieira tonvie...@gmail.com wrote:
Is true, but in the mind of most of this people the pascal is dead.
And the better of this people will be
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