[OT] Re: [Leaf-devel] Mirrors and upcoming Oxygen CDROM

2001-04-05 Thread George Metz
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Scott C. Best wrote: > Goerge: > > Got it from Tom on the LRP list, thanks. > One of those days when amost everything I said > out loud was dead wrong. :) But then, if this is what > it takes to get a no-hitter outta my Red Sox, I can > get used to it... Yeah, tha

Re: [Leaf-devel] Upcoming MAJOR Oxygen release

2001-04-05 Thread Eric Wolzak
Hello David. > I'd like to see if any of you could test drive the upcoming Oxygen > release. > I would like to test it, where can I get it. > After an initial foray and some fudging, it would seem that glibc 2.1 > is the way to go. I've converted Oxygen to run with glibc 2.1, and it > seems to

RE: [Leaf-devel] Mirrors and upcoming Oxygen CDROM

2001-04-05 Thread George Metz
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Steven Peck wrote: > George, > > try the rute tutorial at rute.sourceforge.net > The license is very restrictive, but it's got a good tutorial on linux and a > bit of shell scripting for free Just started reading it a little just now - will prolly stop for the evening and go

RE: [Leaf-devel] Mirrors and upcoming Oxygen CDROM

2001-04-05 Thread Mike Noyes
Steven Peck, 2001-04-04 23:09 -0700 >George, > >try the rute tutorial at rute.sourceforge.net >The license is very restrictive, but it's got a good tutorial on linux and a >bit of shell scripting for free Steven, How about these two? developerWorks: Linux: Articles http://www-105.ibm.com/develop

Re: [Leaf-devel] Mirrors and upcoming Oxygen CDROM

2001-04-05 Thread thc
On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 02:06:00AM -0400, George Metz scribbled: > One of these days, I WILL learn shell scripting and C... > Aw, who'm I kidding? =) Shell scripting is easy. It all makes sense. You won't learn it, of course, until you have some need to fill, though. I've learned a lot about she

[Leaf-devel] Compiling iptables with glibc-2.0.7 (George Metz?)

2001-04-05 Thread Ewald Wasscher
Hi all, Has anyone else but George Metz succeeded in compiling iptables on a glibc-2.0.x based system? I've tried to do so on RedHat 5.2 without succes. Gcc complains about IIPROTO_ESP and IPPROTO_AH being undefined. So now I'm wondering how George did this for his 2.4 bootdisks. Does it requ

Re: [Leaf-devel] Mirrors and upcoming Oxygen CDROM

2001-04-05 Thread Mike Noyes
[EMAIL PROTECTED], 2001-04-05 10:05 -0400 >On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 02:06:00AM -0400, George Metz scribbled: > > One of these days, I WILL learn shell scripting and C... > > Aw, who'm I kidding? =) > >Shell scripting is easy. It all makes sense. You won't learn it, >of course, until you have some n

Re: [Leaf-devel] Mirrors and upcoming Oxygen CDROM

2001-04-05 Thread thc
On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 07:51:15AM -0700, Mike Noyes scribbled: > Rick & George, > I plan on purchasing these two books, unless someone has a better idea. I > have K&R's C book, but haven't read it yet. That's supposed to be _the_ book to read. :) > Beginning Linux Programming > ISBN: 186100297

RE: [Leaf-devel] rute

2001-04-05 Thread Steven Peck
-Original Message- From: George Metz On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Steven Peck wrote: > George, > > try the rute tutorial at rute.sourceforge.net > The license is very restrictive, but it's got a good tutorial on linux and a > bit of shell scripting for free Just started reading it a little ju

Re: [Leaf-devel] Compiling iptables with glibc-2.0.7 (George Metz?)

2001-04-05 Thread Ewald Wasscher
Oops, I just subscibed to this list and therefore missed the post about the upcoming glibc-2.1 based Oxygen release. I must look like a fool. Of course I will give that release a try. If I can find some time tomorrow I think I'll make a kernel using Charles' patches and an iptables.lrp Ewald

[Leaf-devel] Interesting LRP consumer device....

2001-04-05 Thread Kenneth Hadley
amusing product http://www.boat.be/ read a little about FireWare and you'll understand why I say amusing, though I do like 1U rackmounts ;-) Does anyone know off hand how many LRP based consumer devices exist? -Kenneth Hadley ___ Leaf-devel mailing

Re: [Leaf-devel] Compiling iptables with glibc-2.0.7 (George Metz?)

2001-04-05 Thread George Metz
On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, Ewald Wasscher wrote: > Hi all, > > Has anyone else but George Metz succeeded in compiling iptables on a > glibc-2.0.x based system? I've tried to do so on RedHat 5.2 without > succes. Gcc complains about IIPROTO_ESP and IPPROTO_AH being undefined. > So now I'm wondering how G

Re: [Leaf-devel] Interesting LRP consumer device....

2001-04-05 Thread thc
On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 10:21:03AM -0700, Kenneth Hadley scribbled: > amusing product > http://www.boat.be/ > read a little about FireWare and you'll understand why I say amusing, though > I do like 1U rackmounts ;-) > > Does anyone know off hand how many LRP based consumer devices exist? Is it

Re: [Leaf-devel] Upcoming MAJOR Oxygen release

2001-04-05 Thread David Douthitt
Mike Noyes wrote: > Very good news! Does this mean that Debian 2.1 is no longer necessary to > build packages for Oxygen? Yes, it does! ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel

[Leaf-devel] Languages

2001-04-05 Thread David Douthitt
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > People who are good at C say that C is easy. Every time I attempt > to learn C, I fail miserably... Sounds like what happens to me every time I try to learn LISP or Smalltalk. The thing I always find fascinating is the textbooks show you how to add 5 and 6, but no

[Leaf-devel] apkg et al

2001-04-05 Thread David Douthitt
There's been some discussion of apkg I missed. apkg does NOT have the capability of running scripts (right now); I've been sorely tempted in some cases. What about a .sh which would take an argument like "start" and "stop" and others? apkg DOES support, check, and generate *.md5 sums, but these

[Leaf-devel] LEAF Distribution

2001-04-05 Thread David Douthitt
To me, that is what LRP and its variants are all about: these ARE distributions, and part of maintaining a distribution is updating packages, adding features, recompiles, et al. As for a LEAF distribution, I think I would actually shy away from an actual "LEAF" image; the concept is good but the

[Leaf-devel] Packaging

2001-04-05 Thread David Douthitt
I seem to be somewhat alone in that I *LIKE* the *.lrp packaging; there is only one change I would make: rename the files from *.lrp to *.tgz. This adds the ability to know what the file format is, and allows Windows hosts to decipher the file automatically. However, there is support for unpacki

[Leaf-devel] Re: [LRP] Interesting LRP consumer device....

2001-04-05 Thread Robert Sprockeels
Kenneth Hadley wrote: > amusing product > http://www.boat.be/ > read a little about FireWare and you'll understand why I say amusing, though > I do like 1U rackmounts ;-) Thanks for plugging my product ;-) > Does anyone know off hand how many LRP based consumer devices exist? My guess is that

Re: [Leaf-devel] Languages

2001-04-05 Thread thc
On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 03:58:05PM -0500, David Douthitt scribbled: > The thing I always find fascinating is the textbooks show you how to > add 5 and 6, but not how to scan a configuration file; or they show > you how to do a bubble sort, but not how to react to user input. It > seems as if gene

Re: [Leaf-devel] LEAF Distribution

2001-04-05 Thread thc
On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 04:45:59PM -0500, David Douthitt scribbled: > As for a LEAF distribution, I think I would actually shy away from an > actual "LEAF" image; the concept is good but the literal > implementation would be bad. Put another way, I wouldn't have any > problem with "Maple LRP" cre

Re: [Leaf-devel] Packaging

2001-04-05 Thread thc
On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 04:51:59PM -0500, David Douthitt scribbled: > I seem to be somewhat alone in that I *LIKE* the *.lrp packaging; > there is only one change I would make: rename the files from *.lrp to > *.tgz. This adds the ability to know what the file format is, and > allows Windows host

Re: [Leaf-devel] Re: [LRP] Interesting LRP consumer device....

2001-04-05 Thread thc
On Fri, Apr 06, 2001 at 12:04:38AM +0200, Robert Sprockeels scribbled: > > http://www.boat.be/ > > Thanks for plugging my product ;-) BTW, it's listed in lrp.c0wz.com now. -- rick -- A mind is like a parachute... it only works when it's open. ICQ# 1590117 [EMAIL PRO

Re: [Leaf-devel] Re: [LRP] Interesting LRP consumer device....

2001-04-05 Thread Kenneth Hadley
- Original Message - From: "Robert Sprockeels" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Kenneth Hadley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "LEAF-list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "LRP-List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 3:04 PM Subject: [Leaf-devel] Re: [LRP] Interesting LRP consumer device > Ken

Re: [Leaf-devel] Re: [LRP] Interesting LRP consumer device....

2001-04-05 Thread Robert Sprockeels
Kenneth Hadley wrote: > > Actually, I guess what they _really_ sell is their Linux know-how and > their LRP > > experience... because they like it, and they know it really WORKS! > > > > Robert > > Extremely true, even I support few LRP boxes for profit. > Though I am extremely curious about whe

Re: [Leaf-devel] LEAF Distribution

2001-04-05 Thread Scott C. Best
David: I agree, there should be no distribution called LEAF, specifically. But...there *should* be distributions called (for instance) Maple and Oxygen that were developed by LEAF contributors. Essentially, we should distinguish the project name from the distribution name. So, unl

Re: [Leaf-devel] Packaging

2001-04-05 Thread Scott C. Best
Actually I like .lrp as well, though my complaint with it is different. I find it difficult to extract files from a .lrp without potentially overwriting important system binaries on the development box. What'd be *much* nicer is if package.lrp expanded to /tmp/package, and then /t

Re: [Leaf-devel] Packaging

2001-04-05 Thread David Douthitt
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 04:51:59PM -0500, David Douthitt scribbled: > > I seem to be somewhat alone in that I *LIKE* the *.lrp packaging; > > there is only one change I would make: rename the files from *.lrp to > > *.tgz. This adds the ability to know what the file

Re: [Leaf-devel] Packaging

2001-04-05 Thread Mike Noyes
David Douthitt, 2001-04-05 18:19 -0500 >UNIX originally did EVERYTHING in files why not use [files] in >our packaging? > >So... NO special format, NO special databases, NO special "support" >files needed, NO anything - just tar, gzip, and files. David, This package FAQs from the new Midori L

[Leaf-devel] dhclient, rc.pf and psentry in harmony

2001-04-05 Thread Jonathan French
Howdy, I've been upgrading to 2.9.8/2.0.36, and I finally decided to try out Matthew Schalit's rc.pf script. I'd like to present to the developers what I worked out before I post the linuxrouter.org, to flush out any errors. I decided to figure out how to allow for dhcp, rc.pf and psent

[Leaf-devel] Midori Linux looking for router

2001-04-05 Thread Mike Noyes
Everyone, The Midori Linux project wants someone to build a router based on Midori. http://midori.transmeta.com/projects.shtml >If you know of someone working on one of the ideas listed here, (let us >know on the midori-discuss mailing list and we'll update our references. > > A Router Base

Re: [Leaf-devel] Packaging

2001-04-05 Thread jdnewmil
On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, Scott C. Best wrote: > > Actually I like .lrp as well, though my complaint > with it is different. I find it difficult to extract files > from a .lrp without potentially overwriting important system > binaries on the development box. I don't grok this. I have never ha

[Leaf-devel] Interesting LRP consumer device....

2001-04-05 Thread Steven Peck
You know, Dave C is always looking for sponsers. He does seem to mention them on the LRP webpage, one of the few things that is updated regularly. -- Steven Peck [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sacramento, CA http://leaf.blkmtn.org > --

Re: [Leaf-devel] Packaging

2001-04-05 Thread S.C.Best
Jeff: Sorry you don't agree. What I mean to say was, suppose my currently running system has a working /etc/dnscache (for example). I'd be ill advised to extract a new dnscache.lrp without carefully controlling where it untar's. The defaults would overwrite what's my system was using.

Re: [Leaf-devel] dhclient, rc.pf and psentry in harmony

2001-04-05 Thread Scott C. Best
Jon: Heya. Two very keen improvements; good show. I might lift them in an update to echowall... Thanks! -Scott ... >Since dhclient-script is called when the IP address changes, it seems a >natural place to call rc.pf. So, in the BOUND and TIMEOUT sections, >right after the gatew

Re: [Leaf-devel] Re: [LRP] Interesting LRP consumer device....

2001-04-05 Thread George Metz
On Fri, 6 Apr 2001, Robert Sprockeels wrote: > I must admit they were not easy to find at all - or rather: it was not easy to > find a supplier in Belgium, since I didn't want to import them myself... I > found my supplier in Antwerp, and he imports... from Taiwan, of course! Oh, of course. Wher

Re: [Leaf-devel] Packaging

2001-04-05 Thread George Metz
On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, Scott C. Best wrote: > > Actually I like .lrp as well, though my complaint > with it is different. I find it difficult to extract files > from a .lrp without potentially overwriting important system > binaries on the development box. Erm... I've never had a problem wit

Re: [Leaf-devel] Packaging

2001-04-05 Thread jdnewmil
On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, S.C.Best wrote: > Jeff: > Sorry you don't agree. Well, I am too. I feel like one of us is operating under some misconceptions about how lrpkg or tar works. By continuing this thread, I hope to grok your concern, or perhaps you will find your concerns were not justifie