Re: [LEAPSECS] Definition of Standard time - Brooks Harris

2014-02-24 Thread Brooks Harris
On 2014-02-17 03:35 AM, Tony Finch wrote: Clive D.W. Feather cl...@davros.org wrote: Brooks Harris said: Wikipedia (not always an authoritative source) Standard time http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_time states: Where daylight saving time is used, the term standard time typically refers

Re: [LEAPSECS] Definition of Standard time - Brooks Harris

2014-02-17 Thread Tony Finch
Warner Losh i...@bsdimp.com wrote: Moving to atomic time doesn't undo 4500 years of timekeeping tradition. In fact, it restores the tradition of all minutes being the same length. That is a relatively recent tradition compared to 4500 years :-) Tony. -- f.anthony.n.finch d...@dotat.at

Re: [LEAPSECS] Definition of Standard time - Brooks Harris

2014-02-17 Thread Clive D.W. Feather
Tony Finch said: But not mine. standard time is to be contrasted with local time. Both GMT and BST are standard time in the UK. The relevant distinction is from the late 1800s, between local mean solar time and time based on a standard meridian, as in railway time. Right. But to be

[LEAPSECS] Definition of Standard time - Brooks Harris

2014-02-16 Thread Brooks Harris
It seems the meaning of the term Standard time in common-use and in POSIX is in conflict with the definitions in ISO 8601 and IEC 60050-111. Wikipedia (not always an authoritative source) Standard time http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_time states: Where daylight saving time is used, the

Re: [LEAPSECS] Definition of Standard time - Brooks Harris

2014-02-16 Thread Brooks Harris
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Re: [LEAPSECS] Definition of Standard time - Brooks Harris

2014-02-16 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 5300838b.8030...@edlmax.com, Brooks Harris writes: It seems the meaning of the term Standard time in common-use and in POSIX is in conflict with the definitions in ISO 8601 and IEC 60050-111. It seems to me that a term like Standard time is so vague and fuzzy that we should naturally

Re: [LEAPSECS] Definition of Standard time - Brooks Harris

2014-02-16 Thread Rob Seaman
On Feb 16, 2014, at 4:30 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp p...@phk.freebsd.dk wrote: In message 5300838b.8030...@edlmax.com, Brooks Harris writes: It seems the meaning of the term Standard time in common-use and in POSIX is in conflict with the definitions in ISO 8601 and IEC 60050-111. It seems to

Re: [LEAPSECS] Definition of Standard time - Brooks Harris

2014-02-16 Thread Brooks Harris
On 2014-02-16 03:30 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message 5300838b.8030...@edlmax.com, Brooks Harris writes: It seems the meaning of the term Standard time in common-use and in POSIX is in conflict with the definitions in ISO 8601 and IEC 60050-111. It seems to me that a term like Standard

Re: [LEAPSECS] Definition of Standard time - Brooks Harris

2014-02-16 Thread Steve Allen
On Sun 2014-02-16T09:07:11 -0800, Brooks Harris hath writ: I wonder why they avoid making clear definitions of Standard time and Daylight? Is it because previous precedent had already confused the meanings of the terms, or maybe because they emanate from the Western world and can't be agreed

Re: [LEAPSECS] Definition of Standard time - Brooks Harris

2014-02-16 Thread Brooks Harris
On 2014-02-16 09:22 AM, Steve Allen wrote: On Sun 2014-02-16T09:07:11 -0800, Brooks Harris hath writ: I wonder why they avoid making clear definitions of Standard time and Daylight? Is it because previous precedent had already confused the meanings of the terms, or maybe because they emanate

Re: [LEAPSECS] Definition of Standard time - Brooks Harris

2014-02-16 Thread Gerard Ashton
In US law (see http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/15/260a ) the time observed in each time zone is referred to as the standard time, even when the time is advanced during the summer. Obviously the language of the law differs from common usage. Gerry Ashton

Re: [LEAPSECS] Definition of Standard time - Brooks Harris

2014-02-16 Thread Warner Losh
On Feb 16, 2014, at 11:20 AM, Brooks Harris wrote: Only a comprehensive plan which aims to fix the obvious and well known problems is going to head off the kill Leap Seconds movement. I think the momentum and general conservatism of the powers that be will do more to kill the plan than any

Re: [LEAPSECS] Definition of Standard time - Brooks Harris

2014-02-16 Thread Brooks Harris
On 2014-02-16 10:32 AM, Gerard Ashton wrote: In US law (see http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/15/260a ) the time observed in each time zone is referred to as the standard time, even when the time is advanced during the summer. Obviously the language of the law differs from common usage.

Re: [LEAPSECS] Definition of Standard time - Brooks Harris

2014-02-16 Thread Brooks Harris
On 2014-02-16 10:39 AM, Warner Losh wrote: On Feb 16, 2014, at 11:20 AM, Brooks Harris wrote: Only a comprehensive plan which aims to fix the obvious and well known problems is going to head off the kill Leap Seconds movement. I think the momentum and general conservatism of the powers that

Re: [LEAPSECS] Definition of Standard time - Brooks Harris

2014-02-16 Thread Kevin Birth
. Cheers, Kevin From: leapsecs-boun...@leapsecond.com [leapsecs-boun...@leapsecond.com] on behalf of Brooks Harris [bro...@edlmax.com] Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2014 2:14 PM To: leapsecs@leapsecond.com Subject: Re: [LEAPSECS] Definition of Standard time

Re: [LEAPSECS] Definition of Standard time - Brooks Harris

2014-02-16 Thread Clive D.W. Feather
Brooks Harris said: Wikipedia (not always an authoritative source) Standard time http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_time states: Where daylight saving time is used, the term standard time typically refers to the time without the offset for daylight saving time.. That is consistent

Re: [LEAPSECS] Definition of Standard time - Brooks Harris

2014-02-16 Thread Rob Seaman
On Feb 16, 2014, at 3:05 PM, Clive D.W. Feather cl...@davros.org wrote: Brooks Harris said: Where daylight saving time is used, the term standard time typically refers to the time without the offset for daylight saving time.. That is consistent with my understanding of Standard time.

Re: [LEAPSECS] Definition of Standard time - Brooks Harris

2014-02-16 Thread Brooks Harris
On 2014-02-16 02:05 PM, Clive D.W. Feather wrote: Brooks Harris said: Wikipedia (not always an authoritative source) Standard time http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_time states: Where daylight saving time is used, the term standard time typically refers to the time without the offset for