Re: [LEAPSECS] The leap second, deep space and how we keep time -Brooks

2015-01-28 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
Martin, Ideally, all software should be flawless and bugfree. This lofty goal would come at a cost, I don't think I need to convince you that it would be a very high cost, for civilization as such. We can argue if it would be worth the investment. I personally think it could be, but

Re: [LEAPSECS] The leap second, deep space and how we keep time -Brooks

2015-01-28 Thread Martin Burnicki
Warner Losh schrieb: On Jan 27, 2015, at 7:18 PM, Steve Allen s...@ucolick.org wrote: On Tue 2015-01-27T21:41:17 +, Matsakis, Demetrios hath writ: Equally unfortunate is that 30 servers in the NTP pool inserted a leap second last Dec 31. There is no action that the ITU-R can take which

Re: [LEAPSECS] The leap second, deep space and how we keep time -Brooks

2015-01-28 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 20150128021831.ga31...@ucolick.org, Steve Allen writes: On Tue 2015-01-27T21:41:17 +, Matsakis, Demetrios hath writ: Equally unfortunate is that 30 servers in the NTP pool inserted a leap second last Dec 31. There is no action that the ITU-R can take which will change

Re: [LEAPSECS] The leap second, deep space and how we keep time -Brooks

2015-01-28 Thread mike
Le 28.01.2015 10:07, Poul-Henning Kamp a écrit : In message 20150128021831.ga31...@ucolick.org, Steve Allen writes: On Tue 2015-01-27T21:41:17 +, Matsakis, Demetrios hath writ: Equally unfortunate is that 30 servers in the NTP pool inserted a leap second last Dec 31. There

Re: [LEAPSECS] The leap second, deep space and how we keep time -Brooks

2015-01-28 Thread Warner Losh
On Jan 28, 2015, at 2:33 AM, Martin Burnicki martin.burni...@meinberg.de wrote: Warner Losh schrieb: On Jan 27, 2015, at 7:18 PM, Steve Allen s...@ucolick.org wrote: On Tue 2015-01-27T21:41:17 +, Matsakis, Demetrios hath writ: Equally unfortunate is that 30 servers in the NTP

Re: [LEAPSECS] The leap second, deep space and how we keep time -Brooks

2015-01-28 Thread mike
Maybe we should find out if that is reasonable, or maybe just a journalistic misunderstanding. That's is a huge difference to the sources you quote. I was quite comfortable that there would be no more than a couple of adjustments required per year out at 200yrs. Unfortunately there are no

Re: [LEAPSECS] The leap second, deep space and how we keep time -Brooks

2015-01-28 Thread Alex Currant via LEAPSECS
p...@phk.freebsd.dk To: Leap Second Discussion List leapsecs@leapsecond.com; Martin Burnicki martin.burni...@meinberg.de Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 4:45 AM Subject: Re: [LEAPSECS] The leap second, deep space and how we keep time -Brooks Martin, Ideally, all software

Re: [LEAPSECS] The leap second, deep space and how we keep time -Brooks

2015-01-28 Thread Matsakis, Demetrios
...@leapsecond.com] On Behalf Of Greg Hennessy Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 4:50 PM To: Leap Second Discussion List Subject: Re: [LEAPSECS] The leap second, deep space and how we keep time -Brooks On 01/28/2015 01:42 PM, Matsakis, Demetrios wrote: To Steve mostly, It would be misleading

Re: [LEAPSECS] The leap second, deep space and how we keep time -Brooks

2015-01-28 Thread Warner Losh
] On Behalf Of Greg Hennessy Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 4:50 PM To: Leap Second Discussion List Subject: Re: [LEAPSECS] The leap second, deep space and how we keep time -Brooks On 01/28/2015 01:42 PM, Matsakis, Demetrios wrote: To Steve mostly, It would be misleading to reference

Re: [LEAPSECS] The leap second, deep space and how we keep time -Brooks

2015-01-28 Thread Steve Allen
On Wed 2015-01-28T15:10:09 +, Alex Currant via LEAPSECS hath writ: I have trouble believing people who keep misleading and outdated information on their web pages Following up the issue from last week about how big will the difference between Atomic Time and Universal Time get during this

Re: [LEAPSECS] The leap second, deep space and how we keep time -Brooks

2015-01-28 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 20150128152743.ga12...@ucolick.org, Steve Allen writes: If there is a problem with my web pages I will be happy to debate it either publicly or discus it privately. So why don't you simply list all the estimates as we find them ? As far as I can tell, these guesses/estimates

Re: [LEAPSECS] The leap second, deep space and how we keep time -Brooks

2015-01-27 Thread Matsakis, Demetrios
the suitable waiting period. -Original Message- From: LEAPSECS [mailto:leapsecs-boun...@leapsecond.com] On Behalf Of Brooks Harris Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 11:35 AM To: Leap Second Discussion List Subject: [LEAPSECS] The leap second, deep space and how we keep time -Brooks The leap

Re: [LEAPSECS] The leap second, deep space and how we keep time -Brooks

2015-01-27 Thread Steve Allen
On Tue 2015-01-27T21:41:17 +, Matsakis, Demetrios hath writ: Equally unfortunate is that 30 servers in the NTP pool inserted a leap second last Dec 31. There is no action that the ITU-R can take which will change this kind of misbehavior in these already-deployed systems. Therefore this is

Re: [LEAPSECS] The leap second, deep space and how we keep time -Brooks

2015-01-27 Thread Warner Losh
On Jan 27, 2015, at 7:18 PM, Steve Allen s...@ucolick.org wrote: On Tue 2015-01-27T21:41:17 +, Matsakis, Demetrios hath writ: Equally unfortunate is that 30 servers in the NTP pool inserted a leap second last Dec 31. There is no action that the ITU-R can take which will change this

Re: [LEAPSECS] The leap second, deep space and how we keep time -Brooks

2015-01-27 Thread Steve Allen
On Tue 2015-01-27T20:19:14 -0700, Warner Losh hath writ: By comparison, the list of mistaken leap second issues is legion Isn't that relevant to the practicability of any standard under discussion? Or am I missing your point? Regulatory action saying that there will be no more leap seconds in

[LEAPSECS] The leap second, deep space and how we keep time -Brooks

2015-01-25 Thread Brooks Harris
The leap second, deep space and how we keep time http://www.marketplace.org/topics/world/leap-second-deep-space-and-how-we-keep-time Much less stupid than many popular reports... -Brooks ___ LEAPSECS mailing list LEAPSECS@leapsecond.com