Re: New option: --time-report
On Tuesday, March 13, 2012 9:38:30 PM UTC-7, John Wiegley wrote: I tried to go to bed, failed, got out of the bed at 7am, crawled downstairs, implemented select queries, came back up and crashed. I think it took about 3 hours to implement, which shows you how well structured Ledger has become internally that I was able to create this feature almost entirely within a single file (select.cc), not having to munge any of the rest of the code. If anything, what slows me down is C++ compile times, since it takes 2-3 minutes to build after every header file change, generally. I'm looking forward to upgrading my 8-core Mac Pro to the Ivy Bridge platform sometime in the next year. BTW - My company (boostpro.com) does C++ consulting services, if anyone is ever looking to hire a mad coder. ;) John Well that's pretty amazing (on multiple counts). I'm going to go and build the latest branch of next and play around with select, it looks as though it's an effective replacement to a number of aggregating shell+awk scripts I currently use. As a random aside, maybe you'd be interesting in looking at http://golang.org/, I recall that of the reasons authors cited for writing yet another programming language is that they were sick of the multi-hour C++ recompile times! Jim
Having Ledger calculate a commodity / exchange rates by telling it an entry balances
Hi, Is it possible to tell Ledger an entry with transactions in two commodities / currencies balances, so that it can calculate the exchange rate? Motivating situation: I am in the US, and I withdrew, say, USD 200.00 from my Canadian chequing account. The ATM here charged me USD 2.50 as an additional fee. The withdrawal shows up in my online banking as CAD 203.42 or something like that. In addition to this, my bank in Canada charged me a CAD 2.00 fee. I would like to write something like the following: 2012-03-12 * Withdrawal Assets:Cash USD 200.00 Expenses:Banking:Fees USD 2.50 Assets:Chequing CAD -203.42 Expenses:Banking:Fees CAD 2.00 Assets:ChqeuingCAD -2.00 and tell Ledger that this balances, so it can work out the rate. I have used the @@ in the past, but that was on withdrawals in the UK where the ATMs do not charge fees. Dealing with the CAD fee is simple, it's the USD fee here that is throwing things off; the only way I can see is to do a manual calculation of the portion that the USD 2.50 makes up of the CAD 203.42. This seems wrong. Is there a way to get Ledger to do what I want? Thanks, -Kamal
Re: Accounting for currency gains/losses
Hi John, With recent improvments on ledger, do you think that this thread can be solved? Thanks Thierry On Monday, May 3, 2010 3:00:49 AM UTC+2, John Wiegley wrote: On May 2, 2010, at 8:57 PM, Peter Ross wrote: However it doesn't handle the case of unrealized currency gains. I added the line P 2009/02/15 EUR 1.90 AUD to your example above and here is my balance sheet on that date $ ledger -f invoice3.dat -X AUD -e 2009/02/15 bal assets liabilities Use of pricing entries only affects -X reports that contain the priced commodity. You are correct that I do not register unrealized gains as a real gain. We had a huge discussion about this on #ledger over the course of a few days, but I was unable to come up with a convincing solution, despite spending a few hours coding a couple alternatives. John
Re: Metadata on commodity level
I'm sure that I'm doing it wrong but I just fake it by adding sub-categories for different funds (or stocks), so, for example: 2011-12-30 * Fidelity - 403b Dividend Assets:403b:Fidelity:VBMPX 2.493 VBMPX @@ $27.42 Income:403b:Fidelity:VBMPX -$27.42
Girlfriends budget?
Guys, What would be the best way to implement a budget so I could track how much I'm overspending with my girlfriend? So far I register all transactions as happen... Going to the movies - Expenses:Entertainment:Movies, fueling the car to go to her house - Expenses:Transportation:Fuel and so on. I tag these postings with :grilfriend:. There is no Expenses:Girlfriend root account and as far as I could understand the docs there is no way to do a periodic transaction based only on tags, not accounts. Should I create an automatic transaction based on the :girlfriend: tag to a virtual account and balance that? Is this the best way? Thanks!
Re: A word on Ledger structure
On Tuesday, March 13, 2012 10:45:10 PM UTC-7, John Wiegley wrote: And that's Ledger in a nutshell. All the rest are details I believe the term is a small matter of programming. :-D Thanks very much for posting this overview, it's very interesting to read how it is all laid out. Jim
Re: Girlfriends budget?
Actually, let me rephrase that: Is there any way to do tag-based budget? Provided that I cannot use a single account root for any given group of expense and if tag-based budgeting is not a possibility, are automatic transactions the right way to go? On Wednesday, March 14, 2012 8:38:38 PM UTC-3, Raphael Lorenzeto wrote: In fact we do have plans, but we are also well aware of how we spend our money. She is a Gnucash user and she has a budget for me as well but this is not the point. :-) My question still stands. On Wednesday, March 14, 2012 8:30:05 PM UTC-3, enderw88 wrote: If you have any idea of her becoming more than a girlfriend in the future, then stop this effort right now. -- Craig, Corona De Tucson, AZ enderw88.wordpress.com
Re: Calculating Asset Allocation
I have been building the latest ledger but I am still using a custom build witha few tweeks of my own. I need to switch so I can see if anything I need has broken. (I have modified mine to tag automatic transactions as cleared if the base transaction is cleared and I have a special tag that returns only the filename, and not the entire path. I will check this out. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 17:16, Jim Robinson jim.robin...@gmail.com wrote: This is awesome, thanks for writing it up. I tried it out and found that ledger 3.0.0-20120217 complaints about not understanding the format string: While calculating format expression: percent(market(display_total), market((parent.total))) While evaluating value expression: percent(market(display_total), market((parent.total))) ^^ While calling function 'market #EXPR (parent.total)': While calling function 'percent (#EXPR market(display_total), #EXPR market((parent.total)))': Error: Left operand does not evaluate to an object While I did find that this appeared to work: ledger balance -X '$' Allocation --current -% Jim -- Craig, Corona De Tucson, AZ enderw88.wordpress.com
Re: Girlfriends budget?
I don't mind :p, this works perfectly, however it is not what I was looking
for.
Can I use the budgeting feature as described in @chapter Budgeting and
Forecasting, line 5320 of ledger3.texi with tags?
Is it possible do define ---
~ Monthly
:girlfriend: $100,00
--- and have it work with ledger --budget?
On Wednesday, March 14, 2012 9:15:37 PM UTC-3, enderw88 wrote:
:) I shouldn't have been so flip. I am not certain exactly what you want
to do. If you just want to know how much you have spent on the girlfriend
you can do balance and register reports limited to the girlfriend tag:
ledger bal --limit has_tag('Girlfriend')
and similar for register.
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 16:38, Raphael Lorenzeto wrote:
In fact we do have plans, but we are also well aware of how we spend our
money. She is a Gnucash user and she has a budget for me as well but this
is not the point. :-)
My question still stands.
On Wednesday, March 14, 2012 8:30:05 PM UTC-3, enderw88 wrote:
If you have any idea of her becoming more than a girlfriend in the
future, then stop this effort right now.
--
Craig, Corona De Tucson, AZ
enderw88.wordpress.com
--
Craig, Corona De Tucson, AZ
enderw88.wordpress.com
Re: A word on Ledger structure
Hello John, Many thanks for this email. Does cl-ledger (lisp version) has similar architecture? What are the differences? I don't know how many of the ledger's users are programmers but making Ledger's architecture more transparent will, for sure, help people understand and contribute to ledger. Best, Alexandre Rademaker http://arademaker.github.com/ On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 2:45 AM, John Wiegley jwieg...@gmail.com wrote: Ledger is developed as a tiered set of functionality, where lower tiers no nothing about the higher tiers. In fact, I build multiple libraries during the process, and link unit tests to these libraries, so that it is a link error for a lower tier to violate this modularity. Those tiers are: - Utility code There's lots of general utility in Ledger for doing time parsing, using Boost.Regex, error handling, etc. It's all done in a way that can be reused in other projects as needed. - Commoditized Amounts (amount_t, commodity_t and friends) An numerical abstraction combining multi-precision rational numbers (via GMP) with commodities. These structures can be manipulated like regular numbers in either C++ or Python (as Amount objects). - Commodity Pool Commodities are all owned by a commodity pool, so that future parsing of amounts can link to the same commodity and established a consistent price history and record of formatting details. - Balances Adds the concept of multiple amounts with varying commodities. Supports simple arithmetic, and multiplication and division with non-commoditized values. - Price history Amounts have prices, and these are kept in a data graph which the amount code itself is only dimly aware of (there's three points of access so an amount can query its revalued price on a given date). - Values Often the higher layers in Ledger don't care if something is an amount or a balance, they just want to add stuff to it or print it. For this, I created a type-erasure class, value_t/Value, into which many things can be stuffed and then operated on. They can contain amounts, balances, dates, strings, etc. If you try to apply an operation between two values that makes no sense (like dividing an amount by a balance), an error occurs at runtime, rather than at compile-time (as would happen if you actually tried to divide an amount_t by a balance_t). This is the core data type for the value expression language. - Value expressions The next layer up adds functions and operators around the Value concept. This lets you apply transformations and tests to Values at runtime without having to bake it into C++. The set of functions available is defined by each object type in Ledger (posts, accounts, transactions, etc.), though the core engine knows nothing about these. At its base, it only knows how to apply operators to values, and how to pass them to and receive them from functions. - Query expressions Expressions can be onerous to type at the command-line, so there's a shorthand for reporting called query expressions. These add no functionality of there own, but are purely translated from the input string (cash) down to the corresponding value expression (account =~ /cash/). This is a convenience layer. - Format strings Format strings let you interpolate value expressions into string, with the requirement that any interpolated value have a string representation. Really all this does is calculate the value expression in the current report context, call the resulting value's to_string() method, and stuffs the result into the output string. It also provides printf-like behavior, such as min/max width, right/left justification, etc. - Journal items Next is a base type shared by anything that can appear in a journal: an item_t. It contains details common to all such parsed entities, like what file and line it was found on, etc. - Journal posts The most numerous object found in a Journal, postings are a type of item that contain an account, an amount, a cost, and metadata. There are some other complications, like the account can be marked virtual, the amount could be an expression, etc. - Journal transactions Postings are owned by transactions, always. This subclass of item_t knows about the date, the payee, etc. If a date or metadata tag is requested from a posting and it doesn't have that information, the transaction is queried to see if it can provide it. - Journal accounts Postings are also shared by accounts, though the actual memory is managed by the transaction. Each account knows all the postings within it, but contains relatively little information of its own. - The Journal object Finally, all transactions with their postings, and all accounts, are owned by a journal_t object. This is the go-to object for querying ad reporting
Re: Girlfriends budget?
As far as I know that will not work.
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 17:48, Raphael Lorenzeto
raphael.lorenz...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't mind :p, this works perfectly, however it is not what I was
looking for.
Can I use the budgeting feature as described in @chapter Budgeting and
Forecasting, line 5320 of ledger3.texi with tags?
Is it possible do define ---
~ Monthly
:girlfriend: $100,00
--- and have it work with ledger --budget?
On Wednesday, March 14, 2012 9:15:37 PM UTC-3, enderw88 wrote:
:) I shouldn't have been so flip. I am not certain exactly what you want
to do. If you just want to know how much you have spent on the girlfriend
you can do balance and register reports limited to the girlfriend tag:
ledger bal --limit has_tag('Girlfriend')
and similar for register.
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 16:38, Raphael Lorenzeto wrote:
In fact we do have plans, but we are also well aware of how we spend our
money. She is a Gnucash user and she has a budget for me as well but this
is not the point. :-)
My question still stands.
On Wednesday, March 14, 2012 8:30:05 PM UTC-3, enderw88 wrote:
If you have any idea of her becoming more than a girlfriend in the
future, then stop this effort right now.
--
Craig, Corona De Tucson, AZ
enderw88.wordpress.com
--
Craig, Corona De Tucson, AZ
enderw88.wordpress.com
--
Craig, Corona De Tucson, AZ
enderw88.wordpress.com
Re: Automatic Transactions Question
Will Goodwin shadowcoder83-re5jqeeqqe8avxtiumw...@public.gmane.org writes: However, I'm wondering if there's a way to create an automatic transaction that will recognize the (DC) (all the examples I've seen trigger the transactions based on account, not codes) and automatically do the right calculation. Use: = expr code == DC ... John
Re: Calculating Asset Allocation
This is very strange. It works for me under the latest build exactly as presented in the manual. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 17:21, Craig Earls ender...@gmail.com wrote: I have been building the latest ledger but I am still using a custom build witha few tweeks of my own. I need to switch so I can see if anything I need has broken. (I have modified mine to tag automatic transactions as cleared if the base transaction is cleared and I have a special tag that returns only the filename, and not the entire path. I will check this out. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 17:16, Jim Robinson jim.robin...@gmail.comwrote: This is awesome, thanks for writing it up. I tried it out and found that ledger 3.0.0-20120217 complaints about not understanding the format string: While calculating format expression: percent(market(display_total), market((parent.total))) While evaluating value expression: percent(market(display_total), market((parent.total))) ^^ While calling function 'market #EXPR (parent.total)': While calling function 'percent (#EXPR market(display_total), #EXPR market((parent.total)))': Error: Left operand does not evaluate to an object While I did find that this appeared to work: ledger balance -X '$' Allocation --current -% Jim -- Craig, Corona De Tucson, AZ enderw88.wordpress.com -- Craig, Corona De Tucson, AZ enderw88.wordpress.com
Re: A word on Ledger structure
Alexandre Rademaker arademaker-re5jqeeqqe8avxtiumw...@public.gmane.org writes: Many thanks for this email. Does cl-ledger (lisp version) has similar architecture? What are the differences? I don't know how many of the ledger's users are programmers but making Ledger's architecture more transparent will, for sure, help people understand and contribute to ledger. CL-Ledger is based on the same essential design. On that platform, report filters are SERIES functions, so that all evaluation is performed lazily. Otherwise, everything else is quite similar. John
Re: Girlfriends budget?
Raphael Lorenzeto raphael.lorenzeto-re5jqeeqqe8avxtiumw...@public.gmane.org writes: Actually, let me rephrase that: Is there any way to do tag-based budget? Yes, but not with a simple tag like :girlfriend:. You'd have to do this: ; Girlfriend: Expenses:Movies Then use --account='tag(Girlfriend)', and your budget will be against Expenses:Movies, via the metadata tag. You could also limit the report to only postings with that tag using -l 'has_tag(Girlfriend)'. John
Re: Calculating Asset Allocation
Jim Robinson jim.robinson-re5jqeeqqe8avxtiumw...@public.gmane.org writes: This is awesome, thanks for writing it up. I tried it out and found that ledger 3.0.0-20120217 complaints about not understanding the format string: While calculating format expression: percent(market(display_total), market((parent.total))) While evaluating value expression: percent(market(display_total), market((parent.total))) ^^ While calling function 'market #EXPR (parent.total)': While calling function 'percent (#EXPR market(display_total), #EXPR market ((parent.total)))': Error: Left operand does not evaluate to an object While I did find that this appeared to work: ledger balance -X '$' Allocation --current -% --percent only works with balance reports. The error reporting should be clearer about this. Do you have a balance report where it's failing? John
Re: Metadata on commodity level
Raphael Lorenzeto raphael.lorenzeto-re5jqeeqqe8avxtiumw...@public.gmane.org writes: Wow! That really helped! I would use the = expr ( commodity == 'SYMBOL' ) to propagate the commodity tags to all related postings. It would be nice tough if this could be achieved using the simple tag directive. Since tags don't have metadata -- only postings and transactions do -- the tag directive is unable to achieve such support. You can, however, use --group-by=commodity. John
Re: Understanding transactions
thierry thierry.daucourt-ganu6spq...@public.gmane.org writes: Is that really important? I have 10% of my transactions with top posting as source, and final posting as target. And IMHO, I do prefer that source is first, and target is last. Can I safely ignore this ledger convention? I realize also that I am never using -V, but only -X, and this may be the explanation. It's not important, it only affects the behavior of -V. -V tries to be a shorthand for show me values in terms of the commodities I used to purchase things with. This was the best heuristic I could come up with. John
Re: Having Ledger calculate a commodity / exchange rates by telling it an entry balances
Kamal Marhubi kamal-7mlawaoftq1bdgjk7y7...@public.gmane.org writes: Hi, Is it possible to tell Ledger an entry with transactions in two commodities / currencies balances, so that it can calculate the exchange rate? 2012-03-12 * Withdrawal Assets:Cash USD 200.00 Expenses:Banking:Fees USD 2.50 Assets:Chequing CAD -203.42 Epenses:Banking:FeesCAD 2.00 Assets:ChqeuingCAD -2.00 As far as I can tell, this already does exactly what you want. It does reveal a bug, though as a bogus price entry gets created: ~/src/ledger $ ./ledger -f /tmp/foo.dat pricedb P 2012/03/12 00:00:00 CAD CAD 1.00454320987654321 P 2012/03/12 00:00:00 USD CAD 1.00454320987654321 John
