Re: Woodturning Newsletter - What You Don't Know
for sure Kind Regards, Timothy J. Ziegler Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty Ziegler Laser Worx LLC 14171 160th Ave. Foreston MN 56330 320-294-5798 shop 320-630-2243 cell On Sun, Oct 29, 2023 at 1:22 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills < legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote: > Hello Guys! Just work up. (its 1:56pm.) Long night at work I got home > form a 15hr day at 5:30am. > > I only state this due to me coming to this topic late... > > I have not seen this video. (Nice) But for the Group We can use these > disks in the same way as Ron Brown shown. But We can also use them in > another way. > By making a simple jig to mount onto these type of disks, We can lock the > plate together with the spindle so that we can move the part separately > form the Legacy gearing system. Meaning By using a indexing system > together with the gears of the Legacy, Can/Will allow you to do more > complex ropes easer with out all this carriage movement as for the > offsetting of each rope. > > The idea is a modification form Mike P.'s carriage indexing video. > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjcFpO51upw (Mike's video) > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYb-fe4GS8M (My indexing Mod.) > NOTE: Same but different concepts, Mike uses the acme screw for the > indexing, I am using the gears, Not trying to get anyone confused, so I > need to clarify things. > > No onto the "Brown's best" Indexing plates. By making a locking method > for the 1-8" headstock of the Legacy, you can lock his indexing plates onto > the Legacy, Then you can lock the part onto the plate, by removing the > indexing pin will allow you to index the part while leaving the gears > locked into place. This makes it easer for indexing flutes, and or roping. > (depending on your needs.) > > NOTE: on my roping indexing plates are made to be simple, 2,3,4,6,8. > indexes so I do not have to count holes, My goal was to make things more > simple, But using a more adaptable indexing plate (like these Brown > indexing plates) will allow more possibility's, (similar to Dan's > checkering) > > Have a good day everyone. > > C.A.G. > > On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 10:56:33 PM EDT, Tim Ziegler < > timjzieg...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Yup a bushing and you're all set. > > Kind Regards, > > Timothy J. Ziegler > Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty > Ziegler Laser Worx LLC > 14171 160th Ave. > Foreston MN 56330 > > 320-294-5798 shop > 320-630-2243 cell > > > On Sat, Oct 28, 2023 at 3:34 PM wrote: > > There are index plates on ebay too that could be made to fit the legacy > https://www.ebay.com/itm/361588846468 > > > > Bill > > > > *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com < > legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler > *Sent:* Sunday, October 29, 2023 5:37 AM > *To:* LOM Group > *Subject:* Re: Woodturning Newsletter - What You Don't Know > > > > Hey Curt I could post it again. It really never drew much interest but > always worth a try. > > He sure has some interesting items for sure. > > It's cool you've met him too. > > > > On Sat, Oct 28, 2023, 8:16 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills < > legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > Wow there are some really Cool things on this site. > > > > Ron Brown I have meet and talked to many time over the years.(at the wood > working shows.) > > I do own some of his toys. But this Off-center chuck and ladle chuck are > Very nice, And I could see those being used with and on the Legacy. > > > > Nice find Tim. > > > > I know you put the Longworth chuck on your rotary table Tim, Could you > post a photo of your MOD? (I am sure many in the group have not seen it.) > > > > C.A.G. > > > > On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 07:10:14 AM EDT, Tim Ziegler < > timjzieg...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > Turning accessories we all could use. I have his LongWorth Chuck. And its > the one I mounted on my Rotary Table on my 1200. > > > Kind Regards, > > > > Timothy J. Ziegler > > Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty > > Ziegler Laser Worx LLC > > 14171 160th Ave. > > Foreston MN 56330 > > > > 320-294-5798 shop > > 320-630-2243 cell > > > > -- Forwarded message - > From: *Ron Brown's Best, LLC* > > Date: Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 11:03 PM > Subject: Woodturning Newsletter - What You Don't Know > To: > > > > > > *Happy Halloween 2023* > > > > > > > > > > *You Don't Know What You Don't Know* > > > > I've ha
Re: Woodturning Newsletter - What You Don't Know
Dan, Thank you - however, I am unable to open a document saved as "ods". I use an Apple Mac Powerbook with the latest software/updates. Is there another format you can send it in? Thanks. Mac -Original Message- From: Sent: Oct 29, 2023 2:38 PM To: Legacy Ornamental Mills Subject: Re: Woodturning Newsletter - What You Don't Know This is EXACTLY the concept of my REVO mods in the same area. I was not aware Curt had already addressed the issue of indexing by moving the frame as the Legacy videos demonstrate. As Curt stated in 100% lockstep, "my goal was to make things more simple". Not only does it allow more possibilities, it makes the current possibilities more reliably repeatable. Butbecause "I didn't know", y'all get the benefit of the stones I used to get there! Sharing the latest version of the charts again. As usual, copy and replace the older ones if the version number doesn't match what you have. DanKOn Sunday, October 29, 2023 at 2:22:06 PM UTC-4 Curt George wrote: Hello Guys! Just work up. (its 1:56pm.) Long night at work I got home form a 15hr day at 5:30am. I only state this due to me coming to this topic late... I have not seen this video. (Nice) But for the Group We can use these disks in the same way as Ron Brown shown. But We can also use them in another way. By making a simple jig to mount onto these type of disks, We can lock the plate together with the spindle so that we can move the part separately form the Legacy gearing system. Meaning By using a indexing system together with the gears of the Legacy, Can/Will allow you to do more complex ropes easer with out all this carriage movement as for the offsetting of each rope. The idea is a modification form Mike P.'s carriage indexing video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjcFpO51upw (Mike's video) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYb-fe4GS8M (My indexing Mod.) NOTE: Same but different concepts, Mike uses the acme screw for the indexing, I am using the gears, Not trying to get anyone confused, so I need to clarify things. No onto the "Brown's best" Indexing plates. By making a locking method for the 1-8" headstock of the Legacy, you can lock his indexing plates onto the Legacy, Then you can lock the part onto the plate, by removing the indexing pin will allow you to index the part while leaving the gears locked into place. This makes it easer for indexing flutes, and or roping. (depending on your needs.) NOTE: on my roping indexing plates are made to be simple, 2,3,4,6,8. indexes so I do not have to count holes, My goal was to make things more simple, But using a more adaptable indexing plate (like these Brown indexing plates) will allow more possibility's, (similar to Dan's checkering) Have a good day everyone. C.A.G. On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 10:56:33 PM EDT, Tim Ziegler wrote: Yup a bushing and you're all set.Kind Regards,Timothy J. Ziegler On Sat, Oct 28, 2023 at 3:34 PM wrote: There are index plates on ebay too that could be made to fit the legacy https://www.ebay.com/itm/361588846468 Bill From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Tim ZieglerSent: Sunday, October 29, 2023 5:37 AMTo: LOM Group Subject: Re: Woodturning Newsletter - What You Don't Know Hey Curt I could post it again. It really never drew much interest but always worth a try. He sure has some interesting items for sure. It's cool you've met him too. On Sat, Oct 28, 2023, 8:16 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills wrote: Wow there are some really Cool things on this site. Ron Brown I have meet and talked to many time over the years.(at the wood working shows.) I do own some of his toys. But this Off-center chuck and ladle chuck are Very nice, And I could see those being used with and on the Legacy. Nice find Tim. I know you put the Longworth chuck on your rotary table Tim, Could you post a photo of your MOD? (I am sure many in the group have not seen it.) C.A.G. On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 07:10:14 AM EDT, Tim Ziegler wrote: Turning accessories we all could use. I have his LongWorth Chuck. And its the one I mounted on my Rotary Table on my 1200. Kind Regards, Timothy J. Ziegler -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/legacy-ornamental-mills/1873dab8-aba8-8468-9bc8-a1ca9cc3f19b%40earthlink.net.
RE: Woodturning Newsletter - What You Don't Know
That idea does seem to simplify Dans concept Bill From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills Sent: Monday, October 30, 2023 5:22 AM To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Woodturning Newsletter - What You Don't Know Hello Guys! Just work up. (its 1:56pm.) Long night at work I got home form a 15hr day at 5:30am. I only state this due to me coming to this topic late... I have not seen this video. (Nice) But for the Group We can use these disks in the same way as Ron Brown shown. But We can also use them in another way. By making a simple jig to mount onto these type of disks, We can lock the plate together with the spindle so that we can move the part separately form the Legacy gearing system. Meaning By using a indexing system together with the gears of the Legacy, Can/Will allow you to do more complex ropes easer with out all this carriage movement as for the offsetting of each rope. The idea is a modification form Mike P.'s carriage indexing video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjcFpO51upw (Mike's video) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYb-fe4GS8M (My indexing Mod.) NOTE: Same but different concepts, Mike uses the acme screw for the indexing, I am using the gears, Not trying to get anyone confused, so I need to clarify things. No onto the "Brown's best" Indexing plates. By making a locking method for the 1-8" headstock of the Legacy, you can lock his indexing plates onto the Legacy, Then you can lock the part onto the plate, by removing the indexing pin will allow you to index the part while leaving the gears locked into place. This makes it easer for indexing flutes, and or roping. (depending on your needs.) NOTE: on my roping indexing plates are made to be simple, 2,3,4,6,8. indexes so I do not have to count holes, My goal was to make things more simple, But using a more adaptable indexing plate (like these Brown indexing plates) will allow more possibility's, (similar to Dan's checkering) Have a good day everyone. C.A.G. On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 10:56:33 PM EDT, Tim Ziegler mailto:timjzieg...@gmail.com> > wrote: Yup a bushing and you're all set. Kind Regards, Timothy J. Ziegler Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty Ziegler Laser Worx LLC 14171 160th Ave. Foreston MN 56330 320-294-5798 shop 320-630-2243 cell On Sat, Oct 28, 2023 at 3:34 PM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote: There are index plates on ebay too that could be made to fit the legacy https://www.ebay.com/itm/361588846468 Bill From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2023 5:37 AM To: LOM Group mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > Subject: Re: Woodturning Newsletter - What You Don't Know Hey Curt I could post it again. It really never drew much interest but always worth a try. He sure has some interesting items for sure. It's cool you've met him too. On Sat, Oct 28, 2023, 8:16 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > wrote: Wow there are some really Cool things on this site. Ron Brown I have meet and talked to many time over the years.(at the wood working shows.) I do own some of his toys. But this Off-center chuck and ladle chuck are Very nice, And I could see those being used with and on the Legacy. Nice find Tim. I know you put the Longworth chuck on your rotary table Tim, Could you post a photo of your MOD? (I am sure many in the group have not seen it.) C.A.G. On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 07:10:14 AM EDT, Tim Ziegler mailto:timjzieg...@gmail.com> > wrote: Turning accessories we all could use. I have his LongWorth Chuck. And its the one I mounted on my Rotary Table on my 1200. Kind Regards, Timothy J. Ziegler Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty Ziegler Laser Worx LLC 14171 160th Ave. Foreston MN 56330 320-294-5798 shop 320-630-2243 cell -- Forwarded message - From: Ron Brown's Best, LLC mailto:ron_browns_best_...@ronbrownsbest.addr2.com> > Date: Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 11:03 PM Subject: Woodturning Newsletter - What You Don't Know To: mailto:timjzieg...@gmail.com> > <https://ronbrownsbest.addr2.com/images/full/NDI2Nzo4MzM_/Christian%20Halloween%202023-2.jpg> Happy Halloween 2023 <https://ronbrownsbest.addr2.com/images/full/NDI2Nzo1/ronbrownsbestbanner002.png> You Don't Know What You Don't Know I've had the privilege of speaking to an unusual number of folks at the beginning of their journeys over the past couple of weeks. Some are new turners, some new flat workers, and some just beginning their walk with the one true God. One of the hard le
Re: Woodturning Newsletter - What You Don't Know
Hello Guys! Just work up. (its 1:56pm.) Long night at work I got home form a 15hr day at 5:30am. I only state this due to me coming to this topic late... I have not seen this video. (Nice) But for the Group We can use these disks in the same way as Ron Brown shown. But We can also use them in another way.By making a simple jig to mount onto these type of disks, We can lock the plate together with the spindle so that we can move the part separately form the Legacy gearing system. Meaning By using a indexing system together with the gears of the Legacy, Can/Will allow you to do more complex ropes easer with out all this carriage movement as for the offsetting of each rope. The idea is a modification form Mike P.'s carriage indexing video.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjcFpO51upw (Mike's video)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYb-fe4GS8M (My indexing Mod.) NOTE: Same but different concepts, Mike uses the acme screw for the indexing, I am using the gears, Not trying to get anyone confused, so I need to clarify things. No onto the "Brown's best" Indexing plates. By making a locking method for the 1-8" headstock of the Legacy, you can lock his indexing plates onto the Legacy, Then you can lock the part onto the plate, by removing the indexing pin will allow you to index the part while leaving the gears locked into place. This makes it easer for indexing flutes, and or roping. (depending on your needs.) NOTE: on my roping indexing plates are made to be simple, 2,3,4,6,8. indexes so I do not have to count holes, My goal was to make things more simple, But using a more adaptable indexing plate (like these Brown indexing plates) will allow more possibility's, (similar to Dan's checkering) Have a good day everyone. C.A.G. On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 10:56:33 PM EDT, Tim Ziegler wrote: Yup a bushing and you're all set. Kind Regards, Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & SpecialtyZiegler Laser Worx LLC14171 160th Ave.Foreston MN 56330 320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cell On Sat, Oct 28, 2023 at 3:34 PM wrote: There are index plates on ebay too that could be made to fit the legacy https://www.ebay.com/itm/361588846468 Bill From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2023 5:37 AM To: LOM Group Subject: Re: Woodturning Newsletter - What You Don't Know Hey Curt I could post it again. It really never drew much interest but always worth a try. He sure has some interesting items for sure. It's cool you've met him too. On Sat, Oct 28, 2023, 8:16 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills wrote: Wow there are some really Cool things on this site. Ron Brown I have meet and talked to many time over the years.(at the wood working shows.) I do own some of his toys. But this Off-center chuck and ladle chuck are Very nice, And I could see those being used with and on the Legacy. Nice find Tim. I know you put the Longworth chuck on your rotary table Tim, Could you post a photo of your MOD? (I am sure many in the group have not seen it.) C.A.G. On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 07:10:14 AM EDT, Tim Ziegler wrote: Turning accessories we all could use. I have his LongWorth Chuck. And its the one I mounted on my Rotary Table on my 1200. Kind Regards, Timothy J. Ziegler Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty Ziegler Laser Worx LLC 14171 160th Ave. Foreston MN 56330 320-294-5798 shop 320-630-2243 cell -- Forwarded message - From: Ron Brown's Best, LLC Date: Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 11:03 PM Subject: Woodturning Newsletter - What You Don't Know To: | | | | | | | | | | | | Happy Halloween 2023 | | | | | | | | | | | You Don't Know What You Don't Know I've had the privilege of speaking to an unusual number of folks at the beginning of their journeys over the past couple of weeks. Some are new turners, some new flat workers, and some just beginning their walk with the one true God. One of the hard lessons I've taken from 13 years on the Woodworking Show Circuit is to listen and evaluate each person's perspective before I formulate an answer. Don't automatically assume they know as much as you do. Today we delight in speaking to our customers by phone when they have questions about any of our products or turning in general. I've learned to never assume anyone knows the proper terminology (jargon) or fully understands how something is supposed to work. By listening to their questions and answers I am able to relate the solutions to their particular situation at their level of understanding. Many years ago, Sweet Janice and I were on a California lake in our Hobie Cat catamaran sailboat in a pretty good breeze. Suddenly a strong gust of wind threatened to capsize us as I shouted "Loose the sheet!!!" After nearly 50 years I still remem
Re: Woodturning Newsletter - What You Don't Know
Yup a bushing and you're all set. Kind Regards, Timothy J. Ziegler Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty Ziegler Laser Worx LLC 14171 160th Ave. Foreston MN 56330 320-294-5798 shop 320-630-2243 cell On Sat, Oct 28, 2023 at 3:34 PM wrote: > There are index plates on ebay too that could be made to fit the legacy > https://www.ebay.com/itm/361588846468 > > > > Bill > > > > *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com < > legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler > *Sent:* Sunday, October 29, 2023 5:37 AM > *To:* LOM Group > *Subject:* Re: Woodturning Newsletter - What You Don't Know > > > > Hey Curt I could post it again. It really never drew much interest but > always worth a try. > > He sure has some interesting items for sure. > > It's cool you've met him too. > > > > On Sat, Oct 28, 2023, 8:16 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills < > legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > Wow there are some really Cool things on this site. > > > > Ron Brown I have meet and talked to many time over the years.(at the wood > working shows.) > > I do own some of his toys. But this Off-center chuck and ladle chuck are > Very nice, And I could see those being used with and on the Legacy. > > > > Nice find Tim. > > > > I know you put the Longworth chuck on your rotary table Tim, Could you > post a photo of your MOD? (I am sure many in the group have not seen it.) > > > > C.A.G. > > > > On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 07:10:14 AM EDT, Tim Ziegler < > timjzieg...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > Turning accessories we all could use. I have his LongWorth Chuck. And its > the one I mounted on my Rotary Table on my 1200. > > > Kind Regards, > > > > Timothy J. Ziegler > > Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty > > Ziegler Laser Worx LLC > > 14171 160th Ave. > > Foreston MN 56330 > > > > 320-294-5798 shop > > 320-630-2243 cell > > > > -- Forwarded message - > From: *Ron Brown's Best, LLC* > > Date: Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 11:03 PM > Subject: Woodturning Newsletter - What You Don't Know > To: > > > > > > *Happy Halloween 2023* > > > > > > > > > > *You Don't Know What You Don't Know* > > > > I've had the privilege of speaking to an unusual number of folks at the > beginning of their journeys over the past couple of weeks. Some are new > turners, some new flat workers, and some just beginning their walk with the > one true God. One of the hard lessons I've taken from 13 years on the > Woodworking Show Circuit is to listen and evaluate each person's > perspective before I formulate an answer. Don't automatically assume they > know as much as you do. > > > > Today we delight in speaking to our customers by phone when they have > questions about any of our products or turning in general. I've learned to > never assume anyone knows the proper terminology (jargon) or fully > understands how something is supposed to work. By listening to their > questions and answers I am able to relate the solutions to their particular > situation at their level of understanding. > > > > Many years ago, Sweet Janice and I were on a California lake in our Hobie > Cat catamaran sailboat in a pretty good breeze. Suddenly a strong gust of > wind threatened to capsize us as I shouted "Loose the sheet!!!" After > nearly 50 years I still remember her response, "What's a sheet???" as we > pitchpoled stern over bow and entered the cold cold water of a clear > mountain lake. We survived even though she didn't release the rope in time > due to my unclear instructions. > > > > When you have an opportunity to explain something to folks who are just > beginning their adventure or those not as experienced as you are, use terms > they can understand and use examples appropriate for their level of > understanding and do it on purpose. Don't automatically assume someone > knows what an MT2 means, or 1x8 vs 1.25. When you talk about swing > sometimes you can see their eyes glaze over right in front of you. There > was a time when you didn't know either. > > > > Don't be afraid to ask simple questions to evaluate their level of > understanding. Effective communication has two basic parts; the message > sent clearly and the message received and understood. Using terms and > examples that are inconsistent with someone's level of understanding is > almost the same as speaking Chinese to a non-Chinese-speaking person. > > > > *“Our business is infested with idiots who try to impress by using > pretentious
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I know I feel bad for you in that respect. Kind Regards, Timothy J. Ziegler Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty Ziegler Laser Worx LLC 14171 160th Ave. Foreston MN 56330 320-294-5798 shop 320-630-2243 cell On Sat, Oct 28, 2023 at 3:05 PM wrote: > I even have some of his stuff but as usual shipping is the only enemy for > me but as a product vert good > > > > Bill > > > > *From:* 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills < > legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > *Sent:* Sunday, October 29, 2023 12:17 AM > *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: Woodturning Newsletter - What You Don't Know > > > > Wow there are some really Cool things on this site. > > > > Ron Brown I have meet and talked to many time over the years.(at the wood > working shows.) > > I do own some of his toys. But this Off-center chuck and ladle chuck are > Very nice, And I could see those being used with and on the Legacy. > > > > Nice find Tim. > > > > I know you put the Longworth chuck on your rotary table Tim, Could you > post a photo of your MOD? (I am sure many in the group have not seen it.) > > > > C.A.G. > > > > On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 07:10:14 AM EDT, Tim Ziegler < > timjzieg...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > Turning accessories we all could use. I have his LongWorth Chuck. And its > the one I mounted on my Rotary Table on my 1200. > > > Kind Regards, > > > > Timothy J. Ziegler > > Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty > > Ziegler Laser Worx LLC > > 14171 160th Ave. > > Foreston MN 56330 > > > > 320-294-5798 shop > > 320-630-2243 cell > > > > -- Forwarded message - > From: *Ron Brown's Best, LLC* > > Date: Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 11:03 PM > Subject: Woodturning Newsletter - What You Don't Know > To: > > > > > > *Happy Halloween 2023* > > > > > > > > > > *You Don't Know What You Don't Know* > > > > I've had the privilege of speaking to an unusual number of folks at the > beginning of their journeys over the past couple of weeks. Some are new > turners, some new flat workers, and some just beginning their walk with the > one true God. One of the hard lessons I've taken from 13 years on the > Woodworking Show Circuit is to listen and evaluate each person's > perspective before I formulate an answer. Don't automatically assume they > know as much as you do. > > > > Today we delight in speaking to our customers by phone when they have > questions about any of our products or turning in general. I've learned to > never assume anyone knows the proper terminology (jargon) or fully > understands how something is supposed to work. By listening to their > questions and answers I am able to relate the solutions to their particular > situation at their level of understanding. > > > > Many years ago, Sweet Janice and I were on a California lake in our Hobie > Cat catamaran sailboat in a pretty good breeze. Suddenly a strong gust of > wind threatened to capsize us as I shouted "Loose the sheet!!!" After > nearly 50 years I still remember her response, "What's a sheet???" as we > pitchpoled stern over bow and entered the cold cold water of a clear > mountain lake. We survived even though she didn't release the rope in time > due to my unclear instructions. > > > > When you have an opportunity to explain something to folks who are just > beginning their adventure or those not as experienced as you are, use terms > they can understand and use examples appropriate for their level of > understanding and do it on purpose. Don't automatically assume someone > knows what an MT2 means, or 1x8 vs 1.25. When you talk about swing > sometimes you can see their eyes glaze over right in front of you. There > was a time when you didn't know either. > > > > Don't be afraid to ask simple questions to evaluate their level of > understanding. Effective communication has two basic parts; the message > sent clearly and the message received and understood. Using terms and > examples that are inconsistent with someone's level of understanding is > almost the same as speaking Chinese to a non-Chinese-speaking person. > > > > *“Our business is infested with idiots who try to impress by using > pretentious jargon”. David Ogilvy* > > > > Any time we start something new it can be particularly intimidating. > Resist the urge to show off how much you know, but rather choose to deliver > an answer they can understand. In the beginning, most people don't even > know what questions to ask; they don't know what they don't know
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There are index plates on ebay too that could be made to fit the legacy https://www.ebay.com/itm/361588846468 Bill From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2023 5:37 AM To: LOM Group Subject: Re: Woodturning Newsletter - What You Don't Know Hey Curt I could post it again. It really never drew much interest but always worth a try. He sure has some interesting items for sure. It's cool you've met him too. On Sat, Oct 28, 2023, 8:16 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > wrote: Wow there are some really Cool things on this site. Ron Brown I have meet and talked to many time over the years.(at the wood working shows.) I do own some of his toys. But this Off-center chuck and ladle chuck are Very nice, And I could see those being used with and on the Legacy. Nice find Tim. I know you put the Longworth chuck on your rotary table Tim, Could you post a photo of your MOD? (I am sure many in the group have not seen it.) C.A.G. On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 07:10:14 AM EDT, Tim Ziegler mailto:timjzieg...@gmail.com> > wrote: Turning accessories we all could use. I have his LongWorth Chuck. And its the one I mounted on my Rotary Table on my 1200. Kind Regards, Timothy J. Ziegler Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty Ziegler Laser Worx LLC 14171 160th Ave. Foreston MN 56330 320-294-5798 shop 320-630-2243 cell -- Forwarded message - From: Ron Brown's Best, LLC mailto:ron_browns_best_...@ronbrownsbest.addr2.com> > Date: Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 11:03 PM Subject: Woodturning Newsletter - What You Don't Know To: mailto:timjzieg...@gmail.com> > <https://ronbrownsbest.addr2.com/images/full/NDI2Nzo4MzM_/Christian%20Halloween%202023-2.jpg> Happy Halloween 2023 <https://ronbrownsbest.addr2.com/images/full/NDI2Nzo1/ronbrownsbestbanner002.png> You Don't Know What You Don't Know I've had the privilege of speaking to an unusual number of folks at the beginning of their journeys over the past couple of weeks. Some are new turners, some new flat workers, and some just beginning their walk with the one true God. One of the hard lessons I've taken from 13 years on the Woodworking Show Circuit is to listen and evaluate each person's perspective before I formulate an answer. Don't automatically assume they know as much as you do. Today we delight in speaking to our customers by phone when they have questions about any of our products or turning in general. I've learned to never assume anyone knows the proper terminology (jargon) or fully understands how something is supposed to work. By listening to their questions and answers I am able to relate the solutions to their particular situation at their level of understanding. Many years ago, Sweet Janice and I were on a California lake in our Hobie Cat catamaran sailboat in a pretty good breeze. Suddenly a strong gust of wind threatened to capsize us as I shouted "Loose the sheet!!!" After nearly 50 years I still remember her response, "What's a sheet???" as we pitchpoled stern over bow and entered the cold cold water of a clear mountain lake. We survived even though she didn't release the rope in time due to my unclear instructions. When you have an opportunity to explain something to folks who are just beginning their adventure or those not as experienced as you are, use terms they can understand and use examples appropriate for their level of understanding and do it on purpose. Don't automatically assume someone knows what an MT2 means, or 1x8 vs 1.25. When you talk about swing sometimes you can see their eyes glaze over right in front of you. There was a time when you didn't know either. Don't be afraid to ask simple questions to evaluate their level of understanding. Effective communication has two basic parts; the message sent clearly and the message received and understood. Using terms and examples that are inconsistent with someone's level of understanding is almost the same as speaking Chinese to a non-Chinese-speaking person. “Our business is infested with idiots who try to impress by using pretentious jargon”. David Ogilvy Any time we start something new it can be particularly intimidating. Resist the urge to show off how much you know, but rather choose to deliver an answer they can understand. In the beginning, most people don't even know what questions to ask; they don't know what they don't know. Be patient because you were new once too. Remember that wherever you go, there you are. Here is my inspiration for this week's message: Prov 18:13 AMP He who answers a matter before he hears the facts—it is folly and shame to him. Jer 33:3 MSG 'Call to me and I will answer you. I'll tell you marvelous and
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Yes post it again with this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMT9nOHZ5M8 <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMT9nOHZ5M8_channel=RonBrown%27sBestTools> _channel=RonBrown%27sBestTools Videos always help Bill From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2023 5:37 AM To: LOM Group Subject: Re: Woodturning Newsletter - What You Don't Know Hey Curt I could post it again. It really never drew much interest but always worth a try. He sure has some interesting items for sure. It's cool you've met him too. On Sat, Oct 28, 2023, 8:16 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > wrote: Wow there are some really Cool things on this site. Ron Brown I have meet and talked to many time over the years.(at the wood working shows.) I do own some of his toys. But this Off-center chuck and ladle chuck are Very nice, And I could see those being used with and on the Legacy. Nice find Tim. I know you put the Longworth chuck on your rotary table Tim, Could you post a photo of your MOD? (I am sure many in the group have not seen it.) C.A.G. On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 07:10:14 AM EDT, Tim Ziegler mailto:timjzieg...@gmail.com> > wrote: Turning accessories we all could use. I have his LongWorth Chuck. And its the one I mounted on my Rotary Table on my 1200. Kind Regards, Timothy J. Ziegler Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty Ziegler Laser Worx LLC 14171 160th Ave. Foreston MN 56330 320-294-5798 shop 320-630-2243 cell -- Forwarded message - From: Ron Brown's Best, LLC mailto:ron_browns_best_...@ronbrownsbest.addr2.com> > Date: Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 11:03 PM Subject: Woodturning Newsletter - What You Don't Know To: mailto:timjzieg...@gmail.com> > <https://ronbrownsbest.addr2.com/images/full/NDI2Nzo4MzM_/Christian%20Halloween%202023-2.jpg> Happy Halloween 2023 <https://ronbrownsbest.addr2.com/images/full/NDI2Nzo1/ronbrownsbestbanner002.png> You Don't Know What You Don't Know I've had the privilege of speaking to an unusual number of folks at the beginning of their journeys over the past couple of weeks. Some are new turners, some new flat workers, and some just beginning their walk with the one true God. One of the hard lessons I've taken from 13 years on the Woodworking Show Circuit is to listen and evaluate each person's perspective before I formulate an answer. Don't automatically assume they know as much as you do. Today we delight in speaking to our customers by phone when they have questions about any of our products or turning in general. I've learned to never assume anyone knows the proper terminology (jargon) or fully understands how something is supposed to work. By listening to their questions and answers I am able to relate the solutions to their particular situation at their level of understanding. Many years ago, Sweet Janice and I were on a California lake in our Hobie Cat catamaran sailboat in a pretty good breeze. Suddenly a strong gust of wind threatened to capsize us as I shouted "Loose the sheet!!!" After nearly 50 years I still remember her response, "What's a sheet???" as we pitchpoled stern over bow and entered the cold cold water of a clear mountain lake. We survived even though she didn't release the rope in time due to my unclear instructions. When you have an opportunity to explain something to folks who are just beginning their adventure or those not as experienced as you are, use terms they can understand and use examples appropriate for their level of understanding and do it on purpose. Don't automatically assume someone knows what an MT2 means, or 1x8 vs 1.25. When you talk about swing sometimes you can see their eyes glaze over right in front of you. There was a time when you didn't know either. Don't be afraid to ask simple questions to evaluate their level of understanding. Effective communication has two basic parts; the message sent clearly and the message received and understood. Using terms and examples that are inconsistent with someone's level of understanding is almost the same as speaking Chinese to a non-Chinese-speaking person. “Our business is infested with idiots who try to impress by using pretentious jargon”. David Ogilvy Any time we start something new it can be particularly intimidating. Resist the urge to show off how much you know, but rather choose to deliver an answer they can understand. In the beginning, most people don't even know what questions to ask; they don't know what they don't know. Be patient because you were new once too. Remember that wherever you go, there you are. Here is my inspiration for this week's message: Prov 18:13 AMP He who answers a matter before he hears the facts—it is folly
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I even have some of his stuff but as usual shipping is the only enemy for me but as a product vert good Bill From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2023 12:17 AM To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Woodturning Newsletter - What You Don't Know Wow there are some really Cool things on this site. Ron Brown I have meet and talked to many time over the years.(at the wood working shows.) I do own some of his toys. But this Off-center chuck and ladle chuck are Very nice, And I could see those being used with and on the Legacy. Nice find Tim. I know you put the Longworth chuck on your rotary table Tim, Could you post a photo of your MOD? (I am sure many in the group have not seen it.) C.A.G. On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 07:10:14 AM EDT, Tim Ziegler mailto:timjzieg...@gmail.com> > wrote: Turning accessories we all could use. I have his LongWorth Chuck. And its the one I mounted on my Rotary Table on my 1200. Kind Regards, Timothy J. Ziegler Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty Ziegler Laser Worx LLC 14171 160th Ave. Foreston MN 56330 320-294-5798 shop 320-630-2243 cell -- Forwarded message - From: Ron Brown's Best, LLC mailto:ron_browns_best_...@ronbrownsbest.addr2.com> > Date: Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 11:03 PM Subject: Woodturning Newsletter - What You Don't Know To: mailto:timjzieg...@gmail.com> > <https://ronbrownsbest.addr2.com/images/full/NDI2Nzo4MzM_/Christian%20Halloween%202023-2.jpg> Happy Halloween 2023 <https://ronbrownsbest.addr2.com/images/full/NDI2Nzo1/ronbrownsbestbanner002.png> You Don't Know What You Don't Know I've had the privilege of speaking to an unusual number of folks at the beginning of their journeys over the past couple of weeks. Some are new turners, some new flat workers, and some just beginning their walk with the one true God. One of the hard lessons I've taken from 13 years on the Woodworking Show Circuit is to listen and evaluate each person's perspective before I formulate an answer. Don't automatically assume they know as much as you do. Today we delight in speaking to our customers by phone when they have questions about any of our products or turning in general. I've learned to never assume anyone knows the proper terminology (jargon) or fully understands how something is supposed to work. By listening to their questions and answers I am able to relate the solutions to their particular situation at their level of understanding. Many years ago, Sweet Janice and I were on a California lake in our Hobie Cat catamaran sailboat in a pretty good breeze. Suddenly a strong gust of wind threatened to capsize us as I shouted "Loose the sheet!!!" After nearly 50 years I still remember her response, "What's a sheet???" as we pitchpoled stern over bow and entered the cold cold water of a clear mountain lake. We survived even though she didn't release the rope in time due to my unclear instructions. When you have an opportunity to explain something to folks who are just beginning their adventure or those not as experienced as you are, use terms they can understand and use examples appropriate for their level of understanding and do it on purpose. Don't automatically assume someone knows what an MT2 means, or 1x8 vs 1.25. When you talk about swing sometimes you can see their eyes glaze over right in front of you. There was a time when you didn't know either. Don't be afraid to ask simple questions to evaluate their level of understanding. Effective communication has two basic parts; the message sent clearly and the message received and understood. Using terms and examples that are inconsistent with someone's level of understanding is almost the same as speaking Chinese to a non-Chinese-speaking person. “Our business is infested with idiots who try to impress by using pretentious jargon”. David Ogilvy Any time we start something new it can be particularly intimidating. Resist the urge to show off how much you know, but rather choose to deliver an answer they can understand. In the beginning, most people don't even know what questions to ask; they don't know what they don't know. Be patient because you were new once too. Remember that wherever you go, there you are. Here is my inspiration for this week's message: Prov 18:13 AMP He who answers a matter before he hears the facts—it is folly and shame to him. Jer 33:3 MSG 'Call to me and I will answer you. I'll tell you marvelous and wondrous things that you could never figure out on your own.' Col 4:6 AMP Let your speech at all times be gracious (pleasant and winsome), seasoned [as it were] with salt, [so that you may never be at a loss] to know how you ought to answer anyone [who puts a question to you]. We love
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I'll look into it when I get home. Thanks On Sat, Oct 28, 2023, 8:26 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills < legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote: > Hey one more note on this. Ron Brown also sells indexing plates for the > lathe, > https://longworthchuck.com/index.php?route=product/product=13_id=31 > > If you like, I can see using these for something close to what I made for > my roping index jig. > By mounting the indexing plate on the Legacy, you can then make a locking > pin that is adaptable to the Legacy's hub drive in just a matter of min. > Then you could use the Legacy's gears and the indexing together on your > machine, It open up's a world of possibility's, something like Dan's > checkering concept. (Same but different.) > > C.A.G. > > On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 09:16:44 AM EDT, 'Curt George' via Legacy > Ornamental Mills wrote: > > > Wow there are some really Cool things on this site. > > Ron Brown I have meet and talked to many time over the years.(at the wood > working shows.) > I do own some of his toys. But this Off-center chuck and ladle chuck are > Very nice, And I could see those being used with and on the Legacy. > > Nice find Tim. > > I know you put the Longworth chuck on your rotary table Tim, Could you > post a photo of your MOD? (I am sure many in the group have not seen it.) > > C.A.G. > > On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 07:10:14 AM EDT, Tim Ziegler < > timjzieg...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Turning accessories we all could use. I have his LongWorth Chuck. And its > the one I mounted on my Rotary Table on my 1200. > > Kind Regards, > > Timothy J. Ziegler > Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty > Ziegler Laser Worx LLC > 14171 160th Ave. > Foreston MN 56330 > > 320-294-5798 shop > 320-630-2243 cell > > > -- Forwarded message - > From: *Ron Brown's Best, LLC* > > Date: Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 11:03 PM > Subject: Woodturning Newsletter - What You Don't Know > To: > > > *Happy Halloween 2023* > > > *You Don't Know What You Don't Know* > > > > I've had the privilege of speaking to an unusual number of folks at the > beginning of their journeys over the past couple of weeks. Some are new > turners, some new flat workers, and some just beginning their walk with the > one true God. One of the hard lessons I've taken from 13 years on the > Woodworking Show Circuit is to listen and evaluate each person's > perspective before I formulate an answer. Don't automatically assume they > know as much as you do. > > > > Today we delight in speaking to our customers by phone when they have > questions about any of our products or turning in general. I've learned to > never assume anyone knows the proper terminology (jargon) or fully > understands how something is supposed to work. By listening to their > questions and answers I am able to relate the solutions to their particular > situation at their level of understanding. > > > > Many years ago, Sweet Janice and I were on a California lake in our Hobie > Cat catamaran sailboat in a pretty good breeze. Suddenly a strong gust of > wind threatened to capsize us as I shouted "Loose the sheet!!!" After > nearly 50 years I still remember her response, "What's a sheet???" as we > pitchpoled stern over bow and entered the cold cold water of a clear > mountain lake. We survived even though she didn't release the rope in time > due to my unclear instructions. > > > > When you have an opportunity to explain something to folks who are just > beginning their adventure or those not as experienced as you are, use terms > they can understand and use examples appropriate for their level of > understanding and do it on purpose. Don't automatically assume someone > knows what an MT2 means, or 1x8 vs 1.25. When you talk about swing > sometimes you can see their eyes glaze over right in front of you. There > was a time when you didn't know either. > > > > Don't be afraid to ask simple questions to evaluate their level of > understanding. Effective communication has two basic parts; the message > sent clearly and the message received and understood. Using terms and > examples that are inconsistent with someone's level of understanding is > almost the same as speaking Chinese to a non-Chinese-speaking person. > > > > *“Our business is infested with idiots who try to impress by using > pretentious jargon”. David Ogilvy* > > > > Any time we start something new it can be particularly intimidating. > Resist the urge to show off how much you know, but rather choose to deliver > an answer they can understand. In the beginning, most people don't even > know what questions to ask; they don't know what they don't know. Be > patient because you were new once too. Remember that wherever you go, there > you are. > > > > Here is my inspiration for this week's message: > > > > Prov 18:13 AMP > > He who answers a matter before he hears the facts—it is folly and shame to > him. > > > > Jer 33:3 MSG > > 'Call to me and I will answer you. I'll tell you
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Hey Curt I could post it again. It really never drew much interest but always worth a try. He sure has some interesting items for sure. It's cool you've met him too. On Sat, Oct 28, 2023, 8:16 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills < legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote: > Wow there are some really Cool things on this site. > > Ron Brown I have meet and talked to many time over the years.(at the wood > working shows.) > I do own some of his toys. But this Off-center chuck and ladle chuck are > Very nice, And I could see those being used with and on the Legacy. > > Nice find Tim. > > I know you put the Longworth chuck on your rotary table Tim, Could you > post a photo of your MOD? (I am sure many in the group have not seen it.) > > C.A.G. > > On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 07:10:14 AM EDT, Tim Ziegler < > timjzieg...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Turning accessories we all could use. I have his LongWorth Chuck. And its > the one I mounted on my Rotary Table on my 1200. > > Kind Regards, > > Timothy J. Ziegler > Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty > Ziegler Laser Worx LLC > 14171 160th Ave. > Foreston MN 56330 > > 320-294-5798 shop > 320-630-2243 cell > > > -- Forwarded message - > From: *Ron Brown's Best, LLC* > > Date: Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 11:03 PM > Subject: Woodturning Newsletter - What You Don't Know > To: > > > *Happy Halloween 2023* > > > *You Don't Know What You Don't Know* > > > > I've had the privilege of speaking to an unusual number of folks at the > beginning of their journeys over the past couple of weeks. Some are new > turners, some new flat workers, and some just beginning their walk with the > one true God. One of the hard lessons I've taken from 13 years on the > Woodworking Show Circuit is to listen and evaluate each person's > perspective before I formulate an answer. Don't automatically assume they > know as much as you do. > > > > Today we delight in speaking to our customers by phone when they have > questions about any of our products or turning in general. I've learned to > never assume anyone knows the proper terminology (jargon) or fully > understands how something is supposed to work. By listening to their > questions and answers I am able to relate the solutions to their particular > situation at their level of understanding. > > > > Many years ago, Sweet Janice and I were on a California lake in our Hobie > Cat catamaran sailboat in a pretty good breeze. Suddenly a strong gust of > wind threatened to capsize us as I shouted "Loose the sheet!!!" After > nearly 50 years I still remember her response, "What's a sheet???" as we > pitchpoled stern over bow and entered the cold cold water of a clear > mountain lake. We survived even though she didn't release the rope in time > due to my unclear instructions. > > > > When you have an opportunity to explain something to folks who are just > beginning their adventure or those not as experienced as you are, use terms > they can understand and use examples appropriate for their level of > understanding and do it on purpose. Don't automatically assume someone > knows what an MT2 means, or 1x8 vs 1.25. When you talk about swing > sometimes you can see their eyes glaze over right in front of you. There > was a time when you didn't know either. > > > > Don't be afraid to ask simple questions to evaluate their level of > understanding. Effective communication has two basic parts; the message > sent clearly and the message received and understood. Using terms and > examples that are inconsistent with someone's level of understanding is > almost the same as speaking Chinese to a non-Chinese-speaking person. > > > > *“Our business is infested with idiots who try to impress by using > pretentious jargon”. David Ogilvy* > > > > Any time we start something new it can be particularly intimidating. > Resist the urge to show off how much you know, but rather choose to deliver > an answer they can understand. In the beginning, most people don't even > know what questions to ask; they don't know what they don't know. Be > patient because you were new once too. Remember that wherever you go, there > you are. > > > > Here is my inspiration for this week's message: > > > > Prov 18:13 AMP > > He who answers a matter before he hears the facts—it is folly and shame to > him. > > > > Jer 33:3 MSG > > 'Call to me and I will answer you. I'll tell you marvelous and wondrous > things that you could never figure out on your own.' > > > > Col 4:6 AMP > > Let your speech at all times be gracious (pleasant and winsome), seasoned > [as it were] with salt, [so that you may never be at a loss] to know how > you ought to answer anyone [who puts a question to you]. > > > > > We love helping our customers with turning questions. You can speak to a > live person when you call. If we are not available, we will return your > call as soon as possible. Don't hesitate to pick up the phone. If you have > difficulty checking out, call us and we will be
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Hey one more note on this. Ron Brown also sells indexing plates for the lathe, https://longworthchuck.com/index.php?route=product/product=13_id=31 If you like, I can see using these for something close to what I made for my roping index jig.By mounting the indexing plate on the Legacy, you can then make a locking pin that is adaptable to the Legacy's hub drive in just a matter of min. Then you could use the Legacy's gears and the indexing together on your machine, It open up's a world of possibility's, something like Dan's checkering concept. (Same but different.) C.A.G. On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 09:16:44 AM EDT, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills wrote: Wow there are some really Cool things on this site. Ron Brown I have meet and talked to many time over the years.(at the wood working shows.)I do own some of his toys. But this Off-center chuck and ladle chuck are Very nice, And I could see those being used with and on the Legacy. Nice find Tim. I know you put the Longworth chuck on your rotary table Tim, Could you post a photo of your MOD? (I am sure many in the group have not seen it.) C.A.G. On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 07:10:14 AM EDT, Tim Ziegler wrote: Turning accessories we all could use. I have his LongWorth Chuck. And its the one I mounted on my Rotary Table on my 1200. Kind Regards, Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & SpecialtyZiegler Laser Worx LLC14171 160th Ave.Foreston MN 56330 320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cell -- Forwarded message - From: Ron Brown's Best, LLC Date: Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 11:03 PM Subject: Woodturning Newsletter - What You Don't Know To: | | | | | | | | | | | | Happy Halloween 2023 | | | | | | | | | | | You Don't Know What You Don't Know I've had the privilege of speaking to an unusual number of folks at the beginning of their journeys over the past couple of weeks. Some are new turners, some new flat workers, and some just beginning their walk with the one true God. One of the hard lessons I've taken from 13 years on the Woodworking Show Circuit is to listen and evaluate each person's perspective before I formulate an answer. Don't automatically assume they know as much as you do. Today we delight in speaking to our customers by phone when they have questions about any of our products or turning in general. I've learned to never assume anyone knows the proper terminology (jargon) or fully understands how something is supposed to work. By listening to their questions and answers I am able to relate the solutions to their particular situation at their level of understanding. Many years ago, Sweet Janice and I were on a California lake in our Hobie Cat catamaran sailboat in a pretty good breeze. Suddenly a strong gust of wind threatened to capsize us as I shouted "Loose the sheet!!!" After nearly 50 years I still remember her response, "What's a sheet???" as we pitchpoled stern over bow and entered the cold cold water of a clear mountain lake. We survived even though she didn't release the rope in time due to my unclear instructions. When you have an opportunity to explain something to folks who are just beginning their adventure or those not as experienced as you are, use terms they can understand and use examples appropriate for their level of understanding and do it on purpose. Don't automatically assume someone knows what an MT2 means, or 1x8 vs 1.25. When you talk about swing sometimes you can see their eyes glaze over right in front of you. There was a time when you didn't know either. Don't be afraid to ask simple questions to evaluate their level of understanding. Effective communication has two basic parts; the message sent clearly and the message received and understood. Using terms and examples that are inconsistent with someone's level of understanding is almost the same as speaking Chinese to a non-Chinese-speaking person. “Our business is infested with idiots who try to impress by using pretentious jargon”. David Ogilvy Any time we start something new it can be particularly intimidating. Resist the urge to show off how much you know, but rather choose to deliver an answer they can understand. In the beginning, most people don't even know what questions to ask; they don't know what they don't know. Be patient because you were new once too. Remember that wherever you go, there you are. Here is my inspiration for this week's message: Prov 18:13 AMP He who answers a matter before he hears the facts—it is folly and shame to him. Jer 33:3 MSG 'Call to me and I will answer you. I'll tell you marvelous and wondrous things that you could never figure out on your own.' Col 4:6 AMP Let your speech at all times be gracious (pleasant and winsome), seasoned [as it were] with salt, [so that you may never be at a loss] to know how you ought to answer anyone [who puts a question to
Re: Woodturning Newsletter - What You Don't Know
Wow there are some really Cool things on this site. Ron Brown I have meet and talked to many time over the years.(at the wood working shows.)I do own some of his toys. But this Off-center chuck and ladle chuck are Very nice, And I could see those being used with and on the Legacy. Nice find Tim. I know you put the Longworth chuck on your rotary table Tim, Could you post a photo of your MOD? (I am sure many in the group have not seen it.) C.A.G. On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 07:10:14 AM EDT, Tim Ziegler wrote: Turning accessories we all could use. I have his LongWorth Chuck. And its the one I mounted on my Rotary Table on my 1200. Kind Regards, Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & SpecialtyZiegler Laser Worx LLC14171 160th Ave.Foreston MN 56330 320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cell -- Forwarded message - From: Ron Brown's Best, LLC Date: Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 11:03 PM Subject: Woodturning Newsletter - What You Don't Know To: | | | | | | | | | | | | Happy Halloween 2023 | | | | | | | | | | | You Don't Know What You Don't Know I've had the privilege of speaking to an unusual number of folks at the beginning of their journeys over the past couple of weeks. Some are new turners, some new flat workers, and some just beginning their walk with the one true God. One of the hard lessons I've taken from 13 years on the Woodworking Show Circuit is to listen and evaluate each person's perspective before I formulate an answer. Don't automatically assume they know as much as you do. Today we delight in speaking to our customers by phone when they have questions about any of our products or turning in general. I've learned to never assume anyone knows the proper terminology (jargon) or fully understands how something is supposed to work. By listening to their questions and answers I am able to relate the solutions to their particular situation at their level of understanding. Many years ago, Sweet Janice and I were on a California lake in our Hobie Cat catamaran sailboat in a pretty good breeze. Suddenly a strong gust of wind threatened to capsize us as I shouted "Loose the sheet!!!" After nearly 50 years I still remember her response, "What's a sheet???" as we pitchpoled stern over bow and entered the cold cold water of a clear mountain lake. We survived even though she didn't release the rope in time due to my unclear instructions. When you have an opportunity to explain something to folks who are just beginning their adventure or those not as experienced as you are, use terms they can understand and use examples appropriate for their level of understanding and do it on purpose. Don't automatically assume someone knows what an MT2 means, or 1x8 vs 1.25. When you talk about swing sometimes you can see their eyes glaze over right in front of you. There was a time when you didn't know either. Don't be afraid to ask simple questions to evaluate their level of understanding. Effective communication has two basic parts; the message sent clearly and the message received and understood. Using terms and examples that are inconsistent with someone's level of understanding is almost the same as speaking Chinese to a non-Chinese-speaking person. “Our business is infested with idiots who try to impress by using pretentious jargon”. David Ogilvy Any time we start something new it can be particularly intimidating. Resist the urge to show off how much you know, but rather choose to deliver an answer they can understand. In the beginning, most people don't even know what questions to ask; they don't know what they don't know. Be patient because you were new once too. Remember that wherever you go, there you are. Here is my inspiration for this week's message: Prov 18:13 AMP He who answers a matter before he hears the facts—it is folly and shame to him. Jer 33:3 MSG 'Call to me and I will answer you. I'll tell you marvelous and wondrous things that you could never figure out on your own.' Col 4:6 AMP Let your speech at all times be gracious (pleasant and winsome), seasoned [as it were] with salt, [so that you may never be at a loss] to know how you ought to answer anyone [who puts a question to you]. | | | | | | We love helping our customers with turning questions. You can speak to a live person when you call. If we are not available, we will return your call as soon as possible. Don't hesitate to pick up the phone. If you have difficulty checking out, call us and we will be happy to complete your order on the phone. (770) 962-3821. | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Tool Review By The Wyoming Woodturner - Sam Angelo Sam will release his review of our New Parting Tool Kit on Sunday Oct 29, 2023 around lunch time. I've linked to his channel so you can watch it if you are interested. If you are curious to see the P Type parting tool in action,
