[LegacyUG] testing

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Re: [LegacyUG] testing

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On 17/03/2016 03:44, Charlene C wrote:

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> 2016-03-14 17:37 GMT+01:00 Brian/Support :
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>> On 14/03/2016 11:48, Hannigan Family Research wrote:
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HI Please unsubsribe me from Legacy User Group  - I have tried from the
link - but it do not work for me

Hilsen
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2016-03-14 17:37 GMT+01:00 Brian/Support :

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> On 14/03/2016 11:48, Hannigan Family Research wrote:
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I just checked and you are subscribed. Have you checked your spam 
folders for the password reminder message?


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On 14/03/2016 11:48, Hannigan Family Research wrote:

I have tried to use the link to get my password so that I can check my
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[Hannigan Family Research]

I have tried to use the link to get my password so that I can check my 
settings.  I have done this twice and nothing has shown up in my email. 
Does this mean that I have been unsubscribed from the list and am still 
receiving emails?



On Monday 3 14 2016 9:28 AM, Brian/Support wrote:
Not all users will see their own posts to the list. gmail.com is an 
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perhaps your ISP xtra.co.nz is the same.


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On 14/03/2016 01:49, Gracie Burton wrote:

Testing
I have already sent an email to the list - it is nor showing up


Thanks Gracie








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[Brian/Support]

Not all users will see their own posts to the list. gmail.com is an ISP 
that does not show the users own posts to mailing lists and perhaps your 
ISP xtra.co.nz is the same.


There is a setting on your account page which will tell the list to send 
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Use the link in your welcome message to go to your account management page.
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will not include your post just a notice that the post was received by 
the list.


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On 14/03/2016 01:49, Gracie Burton wrote:

Testing
I have already sent an email to the list - it is nor showing up


Thanks Gracie






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Re: [LegacyUG] testing

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On 23 Feb 2016 at 12:57, Sharon Blair wrote:

> just testing to see what happens 
> 
> 

What happened was that you sent a message to the Legacy user mailing list, 
and I was one of those who received it. I am replying to let you know what 
happened. 






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Re: [LegacyUG] testing

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It's an email list...everyone got the email...maybe testing to see if they are 
subscribed...


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Date: 2/23/2016  3:35 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
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Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] testing 

I got it - what are you testing?
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Re: [LegacyUG] testing

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I got it - what are you testing?

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Re: [LegacyUG] testing

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  Welcome jo poi to the Legacy
Family Tree Software users group!
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Alabama!
  
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Re: [LegacyUG] Testing Legacy Web Pages

[Jay Wilpolt]

Evert,  (re: Legacy Gedcoms imported to TNG)

I have a mod that is not yet publicly available that makes it easier for me
to import a gedcom with many media links, by 'forcing' the media into
collections based on folder names and structure.
Anything in the Document folder is a Document
anything in the Census folder is a Census
anything in the Photo folder is a Photo.

The collection Name must exactly match the folder name.
This way I do not have to convert the many media items into their proper
collections after a gedcom import.

It also has some other functions which need to be stripped out before it
would be useful to all.

Let me know if that would help you and we can email direct.

Hope that helps

Jay








On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 11:48 PM, Evert van Dijken evert...@gmail.com
wrote:

 John,
 Could you give an example of a TNG mod that makes it easier to import
 legacy gedcoms? I couldn't find any on the wiki page:
 http://tng.lythgoes.net/wiki/index.php/Category:Mods_for_TNG_v10
 Also looked for gedcom in previous builds. Could you give a direct link?
 Evert

 2015-04-15 8:04 GMT+02:00 John Lisle leg...@johnlisle.com:

 Stuart,

 You point out an import issue with TNG and
 webtrees. The product source for both is
 available for users to inspect and edit.

 As a programmer, early on I made a number of mods
 to TNG and soon discovered that I needed to spend
 too much time each new update to TNG to
 re-develop those mods for the new release.

 A couple of years ago, TNG introduced something
 they call the mod manager. This is a way to
 create a mod and then have TNG install it. There
 is now a large catalog of these mods available,
 most of which need to be tweaked each time an
 update is prepared. Some of these mods were
 developed specifically to make it easier to
 improve how Legacy Gedcoms are imported.

 Does webtrees have a similar facility?

 However, once you lock yourself into some of
 these mods, you may find that you will need help
 if the developer is no longer maintaining them.

 john.

 At 09:00 PM 4/14/2015, Stuart Gregory wrote:
 Hi Barton, John and other interested people
 
 Happy to provide the link but I would like to make a couple of comments.
 
 I am currently not using the latest version of
 webtrees. One of the reasons for this is that I
 have made some minor modifications to the
 underlying PHP code and for me to upgrade
 requires a little work on my part. I host the
 site on my own web server which is located under
 my desk in my home and apart from some minor
 problems (bugs) there is no pressure for me to upgrade. The link to my
 site is:
 
 http://stuart.scss.dyndns.info/FamilyTree/
 
 If you are seriously considering making your
 Legacy data available on-line, you should look
 at webtrees more closely. A number of the
 developers of webtrees offer hosting services
 (for a fee), but they all provide good support.
 The software is open source and therefore free.
 I would recommend that you have a look at the webtrees site here:
 
 http://www.webtrees.net/index.php/en/
 
 If you visit this site you will find links to
 various other sites using webtrees. There are
 different modules available, some of which
 radically change the look of the site, but the
 underlying software and data remains the same.
 That is, some of the developers have created
 their own CSS files to present the same information but in a different
 format.
 
 Some final comments.  As has already been
 explained in an earlier post. Legacy creates
 static web pages and for me, this means
 thousands of files would need to be uploaded to
 the web server each time I need to update the
 web site. Webtrees allows me to enter data
 directly on my web site and that data is
 immediately available for everyone to see.
 
 Comments regarding the chance of losing data
 when using TNG or webtrees is a valid comment.
 But both of these products provide safeguards.
 One safeguard is for you to implement a setting
 so that you, as administrator of the site, are
 the only person who can approve changes or
 additions to the data. There is no loss of value
 of having a search engine document your site. In
 fact tools are provided to enhance the search engine function.
 
 Hope this is of value to you.
 
 Stuart
 
 -Original Message-
 From: BARTON LEWIS [mailto:bartonle...@optonline.net]
 Sent: Wednesday, 15 April 2015 12:23 AM
 To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Testing Legacy Web Pages
 
 Stuart, is it possible to see a tree generated by wbtrees - yours,
 perhaps?
 
 Thanks,
 
 Barton
 
 
   On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 06:16 AM, Stuart Gregory wrote:
 
For Barton, John and others interested,
  
   The open source PHPGedview has not been actively supported for a
   number of years since the main developer and a lot of others moved to
   create webtrees. I would definitely not recommend using PHPGedview.
   Webtrees is open source and therefore free, unlike TNG (The Next
   Generation). I have

Re: [LegacyUG] Testing Legacy Web Pages

[John Lisle]

To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com

Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Testing Legacy Web Pages



Stuart, is it possible to see a tree generated by wbtrees -
yours, perhaps?



Thanks,



Barton





 On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 06:16 AM, Stuart Gregory
wrote:



  For Barton, John and others interested,

 

  The open source PHPGedview has not been actively supported
for a

  number of years since the main developer and a lot of
others moved to

  create webtrees. I would definitely not recommend using
PHPGedview.

  Webtrees is open source and therefore free, unlike TNG (The
Next

  Generation). I have been a user of Legacy and webtrees for
many years

  and PHPGedview for several years prior to moving to
webtrees.

 

  For many years my webtrees site has been my prime database
and I

  occasionally export a Gedcom from my site and create a new
Legacy .fdb

  file so as to create reports that aren't available using
webtrees.

  Although I back up my MySQL database every night, creating
a new

  Legacy .fdb is another form of backup.

 

  Stuart

 

  -Original Message-

  From: John Lisle
[
mailto:leg...@johnlisle.com]

  Sent: Tuesday, 14 April 2015 1:39 PM

  To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com

  Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Testing Legacy Web Pages

 

  Barton,

 

  Two basic types of family tree sites exist: static pages
and dynamic

  pages.

 

  Static pages means you create all of the pages you wish to
upload to

  whatever hosting service you wish to use. After you create
the pages

  on your PC; you then have to upload all of the pages by FTP
(or some

  similar tool) to your hosting service. You may wish to
create some

  pages as home pages to tell your story. The disadvantage of
this

  technique is that it does not scale well.

  As the size of your family file gets bigger, you have more
and more

  pages. Further, many of them will be small and, as a
result, consume

  large amounts of hosting space.

 

  In the late 1990s, a program was created called IGM by
Randy Winch.

  The idea behind IGM was that you uploaded your Gedcom file
to your

  hosting service along with the IGM software and had IGM
process your

  Gedcom and allow you to have IGM create your web pages
dynamically as

  visitors requested them. Randy enhanced IGM for RootsWeb
and that is

  what RootsWeb's WorldConnect service is using.

 

  In the early 2000s, two software products were created to
take the IGM

  experience to a higher level. They have the limitation that
the

  hosting service has to support php scripting MySQL
databases that not

  all free or cable company hosting provides.
They also expect the

  user to have, or have access to, some basic webmastering
skills. Both

  require a quality hosting service and for you to acquire a
domain name

  for your site.

 

  One is the OpenSource product phpGedView. This has the
advantage that

  it is free. It is also slow.

 

  The other is the commercial product TNG. License cost is
minor, and

  based on personal experience, the visitor experience is far
superior

  and the customization tools provided by the vendor are
effective and

  fairly easy to use. Further, it is the closest in data
model to

  Legacy. Not identical, but most of your Legacy data can be
imported

  into TNG and used as you would expect, including media and
mapping.

 

  In many respects, all of the cloud based genealogy
programs, including

  Ancestry Trees, are derivative of these ideas.

 

  To understand any of these dynamic solutions, think of them
like you

  think of importing a Gedcom into Legacy. You import the
Gedcom and

  Legacy/TNG/WorldConnect/etc. load your data from the
Gedcom, as best

  as they can, into the programs database so that you can
explore, and

  in some cases like TNG, edit your data using the program as
a

  genealogy program.

 

  -- I have at times edited my TNG family file

  directly when a visitor pointed out a problem that needed
immediate

  correction; however, normally, for me, corrections come
when I update

  a new Gedcom as Legacy files are always my master
file.

 

  Last year, I was part of a team of members of the Guild of
One Name

  Studies who looked at these solutions. The Guild has
decided to pilot

  a program where members can get hosting space with the
Guild for a web

  site that after paying for it while living will be retained
after the

  member retires as a means of providing that
members'

  research is not lost and continues to be available. The
selected tool

  for dynamic web sites is TNG.

 

  BTW, one of the issues with any web site is how it plays
with the

  various search bots. The Chicago company SimplyHosting is
considered

  to be so TNG friendly that they have TNG specific hosting
packages

  that cost under $5 a month, and they will even install the
TNG

  software for you.

  (I have no financial interest in any of these

  vendors.) I use their services after having issues with
other

  services

RE: [LegacyUG] Testing Legacy Web Pages

[John Lisle]

Stuart,

You point out an import issue with TNG and
webtrees. The product source for both is
available for users to inspect and edit.

As a programmer, early on I made a number of mods
to TNG and soon discovered that I needed to spend
too much time each new update to TNG to
re-develop those mods for the new release.

A couple of years ago, TNG introduced something
they call the mod manager. This is a way to
create a mod and then have TNG install it. There
is now a large catalog of these mods available,
most of which need to be tweaked each time an
update is prepared. Some of these mods were
developed specifically to make it easier to
improve how Legacy Gedcoms are imported.

Does webtrees have a similar facility?

However, once you lock yourself into some of
these mods, you may find that you will need help
if the developer is no longer maintaining them.

john.

At 09:00 PM 4/14/2015, Stuart Gregory wrote:
Hi Barton, John and other interested people

Happy to provide the link but I would like to make a couple of comments.

I am currently not using the latest version of
webtrees. One of the reasons for this is that I
have made some minor modifications to the
underlying PHP code and for me to upgrade
requires a little work on my part. I host the
site on my own web server which is located under
my desk in my home and apart from some minor
problems (bugs) there is no pressure for me to upgrade. The link to my site is:

http://stuart.scss.dyndns.info/FamilyTree/

If you are seriously considering making your
Legacy data available on-line, you should look
at webtrees more closely. A number of the
developers of webtrees offer hosting services
(for a fee), but they all provide good support.
The software is open source and therefore free.
I would recommend that you have a look at the webtrees site here:

http://www.webtrees.net/index.php/en/

If you visit this site you will find links to
various other sites using webtrees. There are
different modules available, some of which
radically change the look of the site, but the
underlying software and data remains the same.
That is, some of the developers have created
their own CSS files to present the same information but in a different format.

Some final comments.  As has already been
explained in an earlier post. Legacy creates
static web pages and for me, this means
thousands of files would need to be uploaded to
the web server each time I need to update the
web site. Webtrees allows me to enter data
directly on my web site and that data is
immediately available for everyone to see.

Comments regarding the chance of losing data
when using TNG or webtrees is a valid comment.
But both of these products provide safeguards.
One safeguard is for you to implement a setting
so that you, as administrator of the site, are
the only person who can approve changes or
additions to the data. There is no loss of value
of having a search engine document your site. In
fact tools are provided to enhance the search engine function.

Hope this is of value to you.

Stuart

-Original Message-
From: BARTON LEWIS [mailto:bartonle...@optonline.net]
Sent: Wednesday, 15 April 2015 12:23 AM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Testing Legacy Web Pages

Stuart, is it possible to see a tree generated by wbtrees - yours, perhaps?

Thanks,

Barton


  On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 06:16 AM, Stuart Gregory wrote:

   For Barton, John and others interested,
 
  The open source PHPGedview has not been actively supported for a
  number of years since the main developer and a lot of others moved to
  create webtrees. I would definitely not recommend using PHPGedview.
  Webtrees is open source and therefore free, unlike TNG (The Next
  Generation). I have been a user of Legacy and webtrees for many years
  and PHPGedview for several years prior to moving to webtrees.
 
  For many years my webtrees site has been my prime database and I
  occasionally export a Gedcom from my site and create a new Legacy .fdb
  file so as to create reports that aren't available using webtrees.
  Although I back up my MySQL database every night, creating a new
  Legacy .fdb is another form of backup.
 
  Stuart
 
  -Original Message-
  From: John Lisle [mailto:leg...@johnlisle.com]
  Sent: Tuesday, 14 April 2015 1:39 PM
  To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
  Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Testing Legacy Web Pages
 
  Barton,
 
  Two basic types of family tree sites exist: static pages and dynamic
  pages.
 
  Static pages means you create all of the pages you wish to upload to
  whatever hosting service you wish to use. After you create the pages
  on your PC; you then have to upload all of the pages by FTP (or some
  similar tool) to your hosting service. You may wish to create some
  pages as home pages to tell your story. The disadvantage of this
  technique is that it does not scale well.
  As the size of your family file gets bigger, you have more and more
  pages. Further, many of them

Re: [LegacyUG] Testing Legacy Web Pages

[Evert van Dijken]

John,
Could you give an example of a TNG mod that makes it easier to import
legacy gedcoms? I couldn't find any on the wiki page:
http://tng.lythgoes.net/wiki/index.php/Category:Mods_for_TNG_v10
Also looked for gedcom in previous builds. Could you give a direct link?
Evert

2015-04-15 8:04 GMT+02:00 John Lisle leg...@johnlisle.com:

 Stuart,

 You point out an import issue with TNG and
 webtrees. The product source for both is
 available for users to inspect and edit.

 As a programmer, early on I made a number of mods
 to TNG and soon discovered that I needed to spend
 too much time each new update to TNG to
 re-develop those mods for the new release.

 A couple of years ago, TNG introduced something
 they call the mod manager. This is a way to
 create a mod and then have TNG install it. There
 is now a large catalog of these mods available,
 most of which need to be tweaked each time an
 update is prepared. Some of these mods were
 developed specifically to make it easier to
 improve how Legacy Gedcoms are imported.

 Does webtrees have a similar facility?

 However, once you lock yourself into some of
 these mods, you may find that you will need help
 if the developer is no longer maintaining them.

 john.

 At 09:00 PM 4/14/2015, Stuart Gregory wrote:
 Hi Barton, John and other interested people
 
 Happy to provide the link but I would like to make a couple of comments.
 
 I am currently not using the latest version of
 webtrees. One of the reasons for this is that I
 have made some minor modifications to the
 underlying PHP code and for me to upgrade
 requires a little work on my part. I host the
 site on my own web server which is located under
 my desk in my home and apart from some minor
 problems (bugs) there is no pressure for me to upgrade. The link to my
 site is:
 
 http://stuart.scss.dyndns.info/FamilyTree/
 
 If you are seriously considering making your
 Legacy data available on-line, you should look
 at webtrees more closely. A number of the
 developers of webtrees offer hosting services
 (for a fee), but they all provide good support.
 The software is open source and therefore free.
 I would recommend that you have a look at the webtrees site here:
 
 http://www.webtrees.net/index.php/en/
 
 If you visit this site you will find links to
 various other sites using webtrees. There are
 different modules available, some of which
 radically change the look of the site, but the
 underlying software and data remains the same.
 That is, some of the developers have created
 their own CSS files to present the same information but in a different
 format.
 
 Some final comments.  As has already been
 explained in an earlier post. Legacy creates
 static web pages and for me, this means
 thousands of files would need to be uploaded to
 the web server each time I need to update the
 web site. Webtrees allows me to enter data
 directly on my web site and that data is
 immediately available for everyone to see.
 
 Comments regarding the chance of losing data
 when using TNG or webtrees is a valid comment.
 But both of these products provide safeguards.
 One safeguard is for you to implement a setting
 so that you, as administrator of the site, are
 the only person who can approve changes or
 additions to the data. There is no loss of value
 of having a search engine document your site. In
 fact tools are provided to enhance the search engine function.
 
 Hope this is of value to you.
 
 Stuart
 
 -Original Message-
 From: BARTON LEWIS [mailto:bartonle...@optonline.net]
 Sent: Wednesday, 15 April 2015 12:23 AM
 To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Testing Legacy Web Pages
 
 Stuart, is it possible to see a tree generated by wbtrees - yours,
 perhaps?
 
 Thanks,
 
 Barton
 
 
   On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 06:16 AM, Stuart Gregory wrote:
 
For Barton, John and others interested,
  
   The open source PHPGedview has not been actively supported for a
   number of years since the main developer and a lot of others moved to
   create webtrees. I would definitely not recommend using PHPGedview.
   Webtrees is open source and therefore free, unlike TNG (The Next
   Generation). I have been a user of Legacy and webtrees for many years
   and PHPGedview for several years prior to moving to webtrees.
  
   For many years my webtrees site has been my prime database and I
   occasionally export a Gedcom from my site and create a new Legacy .fdb
   file so as to create reports that aren't available using webtrees.
   Although I back up my MySQL database every night, creating a new
   Legacy .fdb is another form of backup.
  
   Stuart
  
   -Original Message-
   From: John Lisle [mailto:leg...@johnlisle.com]
   Sent: Tuesday, 14 April 2015 1:39 PM
   To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
   Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Testing Legacy Web Pages
  
   Barton,
  
   Two basic types of family tree sites exist: static pages and dynamic
   pages.
  
   Static pages means you create all

RE: [LegacyUG] Testing Legacy Web Pages

[Stuart Gregory]

For Barton, John and others interested,

The open source PHPGedview has not been actively supported for a number of 
years since the main developer and a lot of others moved to create webtrees. I 
would definitely not recommend using PHPGedview. Webtrees is open source and 
therefore free, unlike TNG (The Next Generation). I have been a user of Legacy 
and webtrees for many years and PHPGedview for several years prior to moving to 
webtrees.

For many years my webtrees site has been my prime database and I occasionally 
export a Gedcom from my site and create a new Legacy .fdb file so as to create 
reports that aren't available using webtrees. Although I back up my MySQL 
database every night, creating a new Legacy .fdb is another form of backup.

Stuart

-Original Message-
From: John Lisle [mailto:leg...@johnlisle.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 14 April 2015 1:39 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Testing Legacy Web Pages

Barton,

Two basic types of family tree sites exist: static pages and dynamic pages.

Static pages means you create all of the pages you wish to upload to whatever 
hosting service you wish to use. After you create the pages on your PC; you 
then have to upload all of the pages by FTP (or some similar tool) to your 
hosting service. You may wish to create some pages as home pages to tell your 
story. The disadvantage of this technique is that it does not scale well.
As the size of your family file gets bigger, you have more and more pages. 
Further, many of them will be small and, as a result, consume large amounts of 
hosting space.

In the late 1990s, a program was created called IGM by Randy Winch. The idea 
behind IGM was that you uploaded your Gedcom file to your hosting service along 
with the IGM software and had IGM process your Gedcom and allow you to have IGM 
create your web pages dynamically as visitors requested them. Randy enhanced 
IGM for RootsWeb and that is what RootsWeb's WorldConnect service is using.

In the early 2000s, two software products were created to take the IGM 
experience to a higher level. They have the limitation that the hosting service 
has to support php scripting MySQL databases that not all free or cable 
company hosting provides. They also expect the user to have, or have access to, 
some basic webmastering skills. Both require a quality hosting service and for 
you to acquire a domain name for your site.

One is the OpenSource product phpGedView. This has the advantage that it is 
free. It is also slow.

The other is the commercial product TNG. License cost is minor, and based on 
personal experience, the visitor experience is far superior and the 
customization tools provided by the vendor are effective and fairly easy to 
use. Further, it is the closest in data model to Legacy. Not identical, but 
most of your Legacy data can be imported into TNG and used as you would expect, 
including media and mapping.

In many respects, all of the cloud based genealogy programs, including Ancestry 
Trees, are derivative of these ideas.

To understand any of these dynamic solutions, think of them like you think of 
importing a Gedcom into Legacy. You import the Gedcom and 
Legacy/TNG/WorldConnect/etc. load your data from the Gedcom, as best as they 
can, into the programs database so that you can explore, and in some cases like 
TNG, edit your data using the program as a genealogy program.

-- I have at times edited my TNG family file
directly when a visitor pointed out a problem that needed immediate correction; 
however, normally, for me, corrections come when I update a new Gedcom as 
Legacy files are always my master file.

Last year, I was part of a team of members of the Guild of One Name Studies who 
looked at these solutions. The Guild has decided to pilot a program where 
members can get hosting space with the Guild for a web site that after paying 
for it while living will be retained after the member retires as a means of 
providing that members'
research is not lost and continues to be available. The selected tool for 
dynamic web sites is TNG.

BTW, one of the issues with any web site is how it plays with the various 
search bots. The Chicago company SimplyHosting is considered to be so TNG 
friendly that they have TNG specific hosting packages that cost under $5 a 
month, and they will even install the TNG software for you.
(I have no financial interest in any of these
vendors.) I use their services after having issues with other services.

-- if you want easy places to preserve your data
for no cost, I would suggest WorldConnect or FamilySearch (their community 
trees are based on limited version of TNG). Both have limitations on what can 
be displayed and what, if any, media items you can attach to your tree.

Questions?

john.

At 12:01 AM 4/14/2015, Cathy Pinner wrote:
Hi Barton,
Thought I'd get your email out of an irrelevant thread.

I can't help with your hosting and compatibility issues.

However, Legacy Web

RE: [LegacyUG] Testing Legacy Web Pages

[BARTON LEWIS]

Stuart, is it possible to see a tree generated by wbtrees - yours,
perhaps?

Thanks,

Barton
 
 
 On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 06:16 AM, Stuart Gregory wrote:
 
  For Barton, John and others interested,

 The open source PHPGedview has not been actively supported for a
 number of years since the main developer and a lot of others moved to
 create webtrees. I would definitely not recommend using PHPGedview.
 Webtrees is open source and therefore free, unlike TNG (The Next
 Generation). I have been a user of Legacy and webtrees for many years
 and PHPGedview for several years prior to moving to webtrees.

 For many years my webtrees site has been my prime database and I
 occasionally export a Gedcom from my site and create a new Legacy .fdb
 file so as to create reports that aren't available using webtrees.
 Although I back up my MySQL database every night, creating a new
 Legacy .fdb is another form of backup.

 Stuart

 -Original Message-
 From: John Lisle [mailto:leg...@johnlisle.com]
 Sent: Tuesday, 14 April 2015 1:39 PM
 To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Testing Legacy Web Pages

 Barton,

 Two basic types of family tree sites exist: static pages and dynamic
 pages.

 Static pages means you create all of the pages you wish to upload to
 whatever hosting service you wish to use. After you create the pages
 on your PC; you then have to upload all of the pages by FTP (or some
 similar tool) to your hosting service. You may wish to create some
 pages as home pages to tell your story. The disadvantage of this
 technique is that it does not scale well.
 As the size of your family file gets bigger, you have more and more
 pages. Further, many of them will be small and, as a result, consume
 large amounts of hosting space.

 In the late 1990s, a program was created called IGM by Randy Winch.
 The idea behind IGM was that you uploaded your Gedcom file to your
 hosting service along with the IGM software and had IGM process your
 Gedcom and allow you to have IGM create your web pages dynamically as
 visitors requested them. Randy enhanced IGM for RootsWeb and that is
 what RootsWeb's WorldConnect service is using.

 In the early 2000s, two software products were created to take the IGM
 experience to a higher level. They have the limitation that the
 hosting service has to support php scripting MySQL databases that not
 all free or cable company hosting provides. They also expect the
 user to have, or have access to, some basic webmastering skills. Both
 require a quality hosting service and for you to acquire a domain name
 for your site.

 One is the OpenSource product phpGedView. This has the advantage that
 it is free. It is also slow.

 The other is the commercial product TNG. License cost is minor, and
 based on personal experience, the visitor experience is far superior
 and the customization tools provided by the vendor are effective and
 fairly easy to use. Further, it is the closest in data model to
 Legacy. Not identical, but most of your Legacy data can be imported
 into TNG and used as you would expect, including media and mapping.

 In many respects, all of the cloud based genealogy programs, including
 Ancestry Trees, are derivative of these ideas.

 To understand any of these dynamic solutions, think of them like you
 think of importing a Gedcom into Legacy. You import the Gedcom and
 Legacy/TNG/WorldConnect/etc. load your data from the Gedcom, as best
 as they can, into the programs database so that you can explore, and
 in some cases like TNG, edit your data using the program as a
 genealogy program.

 -- I have at times edited my TNG family file
 directly when a visitor pointed out a problem that needed immediate
 correction; however, normally, for me, corrections come when I update
 a new Gedcom as Legacy files are always my master file.

 Last year, I was part of a team of members of the Guild of One Name
 Studies who looked at these solutions. The Guild has decided to pilot
 a program where members can get hosting space with the Guild for a web
 site that after paying for it while living will be retained after the
 member retires as a means of providing that members'
 research is not lost and continues to be available. The selected tool
 for dynamic web sites is TNG.

 BTW, one of the issues with any web site is how it plays with the
 various search bots. The Chicago company SimplyHosting is considered
 to be so TNG friendly that they have TNG specific hosting packages
 that cost under $5 a month, and they will even install the TNG
 software for you.
 (I have no financial interest in any of these
 vendors.) I use their services after having issues with other
 services.

 -- if you want easy places to preserve your data
 for no cost, I would suggest WorldConnect or FamilySearch (their
 community trees are based on limited version of TNG). Both have
 limitations on what can be displayed and what, if any, media items you
 can attach to your tree.

 Questions

Re: [LegacyUG] Testing Legacy Web Pages

[BARTON LEWIS]

John, thank you for the informative background.  I think I would not
want to go with WorldConnect or FamilySearch as I want to be able to
display media.  So I have been viewing the web page links at TNG and
think that's the way I want to go.  My only concern is that by using my
cable compnay as my website host I may run into problems if there is
some kind of incompatability with using TNG -- but I don't know if
that's an issue.  I guess if it could be, I will only find out by trying
it.  And if it does prove to be an issue, I could take my domain
somewhere else to be hosted.  Does all of this sound
reasonable/accurate?

Thanks,

Barton
 
 
 On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 01:38 AM, John Lisle wrote:
 
  Barton,

 Two basic types of family tree sites exist: static pages and dynamic
 pages.

 Static pages means you create all of the pages
 you wish to upload to whatever hosting service
 you wish to use. After you create the pages on
 your PC; you then have to upload all of the pages
 by FTP (or some similar tool) to your hosting
 service. You may wish to create some pages as
 home pages to tell your story. The disadvantage
 of this technique is that it does not scale well.
 As the size of your family file gets bigger, you
 have more and more pages. Further, many of them
 will be small and, as a result, consume large amounts of hosting
 space.

 In the late 1990s, a program was created called
 IGM by Randy Winch. The idea behind IGM was that
 you uploaded your Gedcom file to your hosting
 service along with the IGM software and had IGM
 process your Gedcom and allow you to have IGM
 create your web pages dynamically as visitors
 requested them. Randy enhanced IGM for RootsWeb
 and that is what RootsWeb's WorldConnect service is using.

 In the early 2000s, two software products were
 created to take the IGM experience to a higher
 level. They have the limitation that the hosting
 service has to support php scripting MySQL
 databases that not all free or cable company
 hosting provides. They also expect the user to
 have, or have access to, some basic webmastering
 skills. Both require a quality hosting service
 and for you to acquire a domain name for your site.

 One is the OpenSource product phpGedView. This
 has the advantage that it is free. It is also slow.

 The other is the commercial product TNG. License
 cost is minor, and based on personal experience,
 the visitor experience is far superior and the
 customization tools provided by the vendor are
 effective and fairly easy to use. Further, it is
 the closest in data model to Legacy. Not
 identical, but most of your Legacy data can be
 imported into TNG and used as you would expect, including media and
 mapping.

 In many respects, all of the cloud based
 genealogy programs, including Ancestry Trees, are derivative of these
 ideas.

 To understand any of these dynamic solutions,
 think of them like you think of importing a
 Gedcom into Legacy. You import the Gedcom and
 Legacy/TNG/WorldConnect/etc. load your data from
 the Gedcom, as best as they can, into the
 programs database so that you can explore, and in
 some cases like TNG, edit your data using the program as a genealogy
 program.

 -- I have at times edited my TNG family file
 directly when a visitor pointed out a problem
 that needed immediate correction; however,
 normally, for me, corrections come when I update
 a new Gedcom as Legacy files are always my master file.

 Last year, I was part of a team of members of the
 Guild of One Name Studies who looked at these
 solutions. The Guild has decided to pilot a
 program where members can get hosting space with
 the Guild for a web site that after paying for it
 while living will be retained after the member
 retires as a means of providing that members'
 research is not lost and continues to be
 available. The selected tool for dynamic web sites is TNG.

 BTW, one of the issues with any web site is how
 it plays with the various search bots. The
 Chicago company SimplyHosting is considered to be
 so TNG friendly that they have TNG specific
 hosting packages that cost under $5 a month, and
 they will even install the TNG software for you.
 (I have no financial interest in any of these
 vendors.) I use their services after having issues with other
 services.

 -- if you want easy places to preserve your data
 for no cost, I would suggest WorldConnect or
 FamilySearch (their community trees are based on
 limited version of TNG). Both have limitations on
 what can be displayed and what, if any, media
 items you can attach to your tree.

 Questions?

 john.

 At 12:01 AM 4/14/2015, Cathy Pinner wrote:
 Hi Barton,
 Thought I'd get your email out of an irrelevant thread.

 I can't help with your hosting and compatibility issues.

 However, Legacy Web Pages are generated on your computer and you can
 view them in your browser.
 Uploading them to a host is a another step.

 So go to Internet Ribbon and choose an option in the Create Web Pages
 section and 

RE: [LegacyUG] Testing Legacy Web Pages

[Stuart Gregory]

Hi Barton, John and other interested people

Happy to provide the link but I would like to make a couple of comments.

I am currently not using the latest version of webtrees. One of the reasons for 
this is that I have made some minor modifications to the underlying PHP code 
and for me to upgrade requires a little work on my part. I host the site on my 
own web server which is located under my desk in my home and apart from some 
minor problems (bugs) there is no pressure for me to upgrade. The link to my 
site is:

http://stuart.scss.dyndns.info/FamilyTree/

If you are seriously considering making your Legacy data available on-line, you 
should look at webtrees more closely. A number of the developers of webtrees 
offer hosting services (for a fee), but they all provide good support. The 
software is open source and therefore free. I would recommend that you have a 
look at the webtrees site here:

http://www.webtrees.net/index.php/en/

If you visit this site you will find links to various other sites using 
webtrees. There are different modules available, some of which radically change 
the look of the site, but the underlying software and data remains the same. 
That is, some of the developers have created their own CSS files to present the 
same information but in a different format.

Some final comments.  As has already been explained in an earlier post. Legacy 
creates static web pages and for me, this means thousands of files would need 
to be uploaded to the web server each time I need to update the web site. 
Webtrees allows me to enter data directly on my web site and that data is 
immediately available for everyone to see.

Comments regarding the chance of losing data when using TNG or webtrees is a 
valid comment. But both of these products provide safeguards. One safeguard is 
for you to implement a setting so that you, as administrator of the site, are 
the only person who can approve changes or additions to the data. There is no 
loss of value of having a search engine document your site. In fact tools are 
provided to enhance the search engine function.

Hope this is of value to you.

Stuart

-Original Message-
From: BARTON LEWIS [mailto:bartonle...@optonline.net]
Sent: Wednesday, 15 April 2015 12:23 AM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Testing Legacy Web Pages

Stuart, is it possible to see a tree generated by wbtrees - yours, perhaps?

Thanks,

Barton


 On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 06:16 AM, Stuart Gregory wrote:

  For Barton, John and others interested,

 The open source PHPGedview has not been actively supported for a
 number of years since the main developer and a lot of others moved to
 create webtrees. I would definitely not recommend using PHPGedview.
 Webtrees is open source and therefore free, unlike TNG (The Next
 Generation). I have been a user of Legacy and webtrees for many years
 and PHPGedview for several years prior to moving to webtrees.

 For many years my webtrees site has been my prime database and I
 occasionally export a Gedcom from my site and create a new Legacy .fdb
 file so as to create reports that aren't available using webtrees.
 Although I back up my MySQL database every night, creating a new
 Legacy .fdb is another form of backup.

 Stuart

 -Original Message-
 From: John Lisle [mailto:leg...@johnlisle.com]
 Sent: Tuesday, 14 April 2015 1:39 PM
 To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Testing Legacy Web Pages

 Barton,

 Two basic types of family tree sites exist: static pages and dynamic
 pages.

 Static pages means you create all of the pages you wish to upload to
 whatever hosting service you wish to use. After you create the pages
 on your PC; you then have to upload all of the pages by FTP (or some
 similar tool) to your hosting service. You may wish to create some
 pages as home pages to tell your story. The disadvantage of this
 technique is that it does not scale well.
 As the size of your family file gets bigger, you have more and more
 pages. Further, many of them will be small and, as a result, consume
 large amounts of hosting space.

 In the late 1990s, a program was created called IGM by Randy Winch.
 The idea behind IGM was that you uploaded your Gedcom file to your
 hosting service along with the IGM software and had IGM process your
 Gedcom and allow you to have IGM create your web pages dynamically as
 visitors requested them. Randy enhanced IGM for RootsWeb and that is
 what RootsWeb's WorldConnect service is using.

 In the early 2000s, two software products were created to take the IGM
 experience to a higher level. They have the limitation that the
 hosting service has to support php scripting MySQL databases that not
 all free or cable company hosting provides. They also expect the
 user to have, or have access to, some basic webmastering skills. Both
 require a quality hosting service and for you to acquire a domain name
 for your site.

 One is the OpenSource product

RE: [LegacyUG] Testing Legacy Web Pages

[Barton Lewis]

Thank you, Stuart.  Very helpful and informative.

Barton

-Original Message-
From: Stuart Gregory [mailto:stu...@scss.com.au]
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 9:01 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Testing Legacy Web Pages

Hi Barton, John and other interested people

Happy to provide the link but I would like to make a couple of comments.

I am currently not using the latest version of webtrees. One of the reasons for 
this is that I have made some minor modifications to the underlying PHP code 
and for me to upgrade requires a little work on my part. I host the site on my 
own web server which is located under my desk in my home and apart from some 
minor problems (bugs) there is no pressure for me to upgrade. The link to my 
site is:

http://stuart.scss.dyndns.info/FamilyTree/

If you are seriously considering making your Legacy data available on-line, you 
should look at webtrees more closely. A number of the developers of webtrees 
offer hosting services (for a fee), but they all provide good support. The 
software is open source and therefore free. I would recommend that you have a 
look at the webtrees site here:

http://www.webtrees.net/index.php/en/

If you visit this site you will find links to various other sites using 
webtrees. There are different modules available, some of which radically change 
the look of the site, but the underlying software and data remains the same. 
That is, some of the developers have created their own CSS files to present the 
same information but in a different format.

Some final comments.  As has already been explained in an earlier post. Legacy 
creates static web pages and for me, this means thousands of files would need 
to be uploaded to the web server each time I need to update the web site. 
Webtrees allows me to enter data directly on my web site and that data is 
immediately available for everyone to see.

Comments regarding the chance of losing data when using TNG or webtrees is a 
valid comment. But both of these products provide safeguards. One safeguard is 
for you to implement a setting so that you, as administrator of the site, are 
the only person who can approve changes or additions to the data. There is no 
loss of value of having a search engine document your site. In fact tools are 
provided to enhance the search engine function.

Hope this is of value to you.

Stuart







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Re: [LegacyUG] Testing Legacy Web Pages

[John Lisle]

Barton,

Although WC and FS do not (easily) take media,
they are worthwhile as places to archive your
genealogy that also makes your research available to different audiences.

One of my issues with using Cable company for web
site (or email address) is that you might drop
your cable company and then lose your site. If
you are using TNG or webtrees or some other tool
with collaborative ability, you could lose data
and you might also lose the value of having a search engine document your site.

In general, Comcast and that ilk does not support
PHP and MySQL sites nor sites as large as you
will probably want, as soon as you start adding
media. :-) They may be restricted to various size
or bandwidth limits. (As an aside, some folks
have mentioned hosting services that offer
unlimited space and bandwidth. Every one of them
have other limits, usually CPU usage or the like
and tend to be quite cruel in deciding to kick
you off if you hit one of their hidden limits.

Look for a reputable hosting service that has 24/7 support.

john.

At 11:32 AM 4/14/2015, BARTON LEWIS wrote:
John, thank you for the informative background.  I think I would not
want to go with WorldConnect or FamilySearch as I want to be able to
display media.  So I have been viewing the web page links at TNG and
think that's the way I want to go.  My only concern is that by using my
cable compnay as my website host I may run into problems if there is
some kind of incompatability with using TNGÂ -- but I don't know if
that's an issue.  I guess if it could be, I will only find out by trying
it.  And if it does prove to be an issue, I could take my domain
somewhere else to be hosted.  Does all of this sound
reasonable/accurate?

Thanks,

Barton
Â
Â
 On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 01:38 AM, John Lisle wrote:
Â
  Barton,
 
  Two basic types of family tree sites exist: static pages and dynamic
  pages.
 
  Static pages means you create all of the pages
  you wish to upload to whatever hosting service
  you wish to use. After you create the pages on
  your PC; you then have to upload all of the pages
  by FTP (or some similar tool) to your hosting
  service. You may wish to create some pages as
  home pages to tell your story. The disadvantage
  of this technique is that it does not scale well.
  As the size of your family file gets bigger, you
  have more and more pages. Further, many of them
  will be small and, as a result, consume large amounts of hosting
  space.
 
  In the late 1990s, a program was created called
  IGM by Randy Winch. The idea behind IGM was that
  you uploaded your Gedcom file to your hosting
  service along with the IGM software and had IGM
  process your Gedcom and allow you to have IGM
  create your web pages dynamically as visitors
  requested them. Randy enhanced IGM for RootsWeb
  and that is what RootsWeb's WorldConnect service is using.
 
  In the early 2000s, two software products were
  created to take the IGM experience to a higher
  level. They have the limitation that the hosting
  service has to support php scripting MySQL
  databases that not all free or cable company
  hosting provides. They also expect the user to
  have, or have access to, some basic webmastering
  skills. Both require a quality hosting service
  and for you to acquire a domain name for your site.
 
  One is the OpenSource product phpGedView. This
  has the advantage that it is free. It is also slow.
 
  The other is the commercial product TNG. License
  cost is minor, and based on personal experience,
  the visitor experience is far superior and the
  customization tools provided by the vendor are
  effective and fairly easy to use. Further, it is
  the closest in data model to Legacy. Not
  identical, but most of your Legacy data can be
  imported into TNG and used as you would expect, including media and
  mapping.
 
  In many respects, all of the cloud based
  genealogy programs, including Ancestry Trees, are derivative of these
  ideas.
 
  To understand any of these dynamic solutions,
  think of them like you think of importing a
  Gedcom into Legacy. You import the Gedcom and
  Legacy/TNG/WorldConnect/etc. load your data from
  the Gedcom, as best as they can, into the
  programs database so that you can explore, and in
  some cases like TNG, edit your data using the program as a genealogy
  program.
 
  -- I have at times edited my TNG family file
  directly when a visitor pointed out a problem
  that needed immediate correction; however,
  normally, for me, corrections come when I update
  a new Gedcom as Legacy files are always my master file.
 
  Last year, I was part of a team of members of the
  Guild of One Name Studies who looked at these
  solutions. The Guild has decided to pilot a
  program where members can get hosting space with
  the Guild for a web site that after paying for it
  while living will be retained after the member
  retires as a means of providing that members'
  research is not lost and continues to be
  

Re: [LegacyUG] Testing Legacy Web Pages

[Jay Wilpolt]

The problem with webtrees and its predecessor phpgedview, is that neither
of these programs break down a gedcom into data sets,
but rather leave it intact as whole and each action reads from the one file
and generates an answer,
thus it will get slower and slower as anything is added to it.

No one is ever going to come close to the response time seen in Legacy as a
desktop software. Especially when dealing with larger files.

TNG is the best option, but unfortunately its a one man operation, limited
to expansion and lacking in graphic appeal.
But its also the best at storing and manipulating any genealogy data.

Find what works best for you.




On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 3:16 AM, Stuart Gregory stu...@scss.com.au wrote:

 For Barton, John and others interested,

 The open source PHPGedview has not been actively supported for a number of
 years since the main developer and a lot of others moved to create
 webtrees. I would definitely not recommend using PHPGedview. Webtrees is
 open source and therefore free, unlike TNG (The Next Generation). I have
 been a user of Legacy and webtrees for many years and PHPGedview for
 several years prior to moving to webtrees.

 For many years my webtrees site has been my prime database and I
 occasionally export a Gedcom from my site and create a new Legacy .fdb file
 so as to create reports that aren't available using webtrees. Although I
 back up my MySQL database every night, creating a new Legacy .fdb is
 another form of backup.

 Stuart

 -Original Message-
 From: John Lisle [mailto:leg...@johnlisle.com]
 Sent: Tuesday, 14 April 2015 1:39 PM
 To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Testing Legacy Web Pages

 Barton,

 Two basic types of family tree sites exist: static pages and dynamic pages.

 Static pages means you create all of the pages you wish to upload to
 whatever hosting service you wish to use. After you create the pages on
 your PC; you then have to upload all of the pages by FTP (or some similar
 tool) to your hosting service. You may wish to create some pages as home
 pages to tell your story. The disadvantage of this technique is that it
 does not scale well.
 As the size of your family file gets bigger, you have more and more pages.
 Further, many of them will be small and, as a result, consume large amounts
 of hosting space.

 In the late 1990s, a program was created called IGM by Randy Winch. The
 idea behind IGM was that you uploaded your Gedcom file to your hosting
 service along with the IGM software and had IGM process your Gedcom and
 allow you to have IGM create your web pages dynamically as visitors
 requested them. Randy enhanced IGM for RootsWeb and that is what RootsWeb's
 WorldConnect service is using.

 In the early 2000s, two software products were created to take the IGM
 experience to a higher level. They have the limitation that the hosting
 service has to support php scripting MySQL databases that not all free or
 cable company hosting provides. They also expect the user to have, or have
 access to, some basic webmastering skills. Both require a quality hosting
 service and for you to acquire a domain name for your site.

 One is the OpenSource product phpGedView. This has the advantage that it
 is free. It is also slow.

 The other is the commercial product TNG. License cost is minor, and based
 on personal experience, the visitor experience is far superior and the
 customization tools provided by the vendor are effective and fairly easy to
 use. Further, it is the closest in data model to Legacy. Not identical, but
 most of your Legacy data can be imported into TNG and used as you would
 expect, including media and mapping.

 In many respects, all of the cloud based genealogy programs, including
 Ancestry Trees, are derivative of these ideas.

 To understand any of these dynamic solutions, think of them like you think
 of importing a Gedcom into Legacy. You import the Gedcom and
 Legacy/TNG/WorldConnect/etc. load your data from the Gedcom, as best as
 they can, into the programs database so that you can explore, and in some
 cases like TNG, edit your data using the program as a genealogy program.

 -- I have at times edited my TNG family file
 directly when a visitor pointed out a problem that needed immediate
 correction; however, normally, for me, corrections come when I update a new
 Gedcom as Legacy files are always my master file.

 Last year, I was part of a team of members of the Guild of One Name
 Studies who looked at these solutions. The Guild has decided to pilot a
 program where members can get hosting space with the Guild for a web site
 that after paying for it while living will be retained after the member
 retires as a means of providing that members'
 research is not lost and continues to be available. The selected tool for
 dynamic web sites is TNG.

 BTW, one of the issues with any web site is how it plays with the various
 search bots. The Chicago company SimplyHosting is considered

Re: [LegacyUG] Testing Legacy Web Pages

[BARTON LEWIS]

After looking over many pages at TNG, an objection I have is that
Sources is a separate page that is unlinked to any other.  If you
upload your GEDCOM to TNG, what happens to all your sources?  Do they
become separated from the events they document, or are they transferred
over at all?

I envision using my website to document a line one at a time, uploading
all the original source documentation or abstracts from published books,
etc.  I would like to combine a narrative with some descendant data, but
probably not all.  I liked Pat Hickin's tree at wikitree for this
reason, and that the sources were all displayed as footnotes and so
easily seen in context with the events they documented. 

Barton 
 
 
 On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 02:33 PM, John Lisle wrote:
 
  Barton,

 Although WC and FS do not (easily) take media,
 they are worthwhile as places to archive your
 genealogy that also makes your research available to different
 audiences.

 One of my issues with using Cable company for web
 site (or email address) is that you might drop
 your cable company and then lose your site. If
 you are using TNG or webtrees or some other tool
 with collaborative ability, you could lose data
 and you might also lose the value of having a search engine document
 your site.

 In general, Comcast and that ilk does not support
 PHP and MySQL sites nor sites as large as you
 will probably want, as soon as you start adding
 media. :-) They may be restricted to various size
 or bandwidth limits. (As an aside, some folks
 have mentioned hosting services that offer
 unlimited space and bandwidth. Every one of them
 have other limits, usually CPU usage or the like
 and tend to be quite cruel in deciding to kick
 you off if you hit one of their hidden limits.

 Look for a reputable hosting service that has 24/7 support.

 john.

 At 11:32 AM 4/14/2015, BARTON LEWIS wrote:
 John, thank you for the informative background.  I think I would not
 want to go with WorldConnect or FamilySearch as I want to be able to
 display media.  So I have been viewing the web page links at TNG and
 think that's the way I want to go.  My only concern is that by
 using my
 cable compnay as my website host I may run into problems if there is
 some kind of incompatability with using TNGÂ -- but I don't know if
 that's an issue.  I guess if it could be, I will only find out by
 trying
 it.  And if it does prove to be an issue, I could take my domain
 somewhere else to be hosted.  Does all of this sound
 reasonable/accurate?

 Thanks,

 Barton
 Â
 Â
 Â On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 01:38 AM, John Lisle wrote:
 Â
 Â  Barton,

 Two basic types of family tree sites exist: static pages and dynamic
 pages.

 Static pages means you create all of the pages
 you wish to upload to whatever hosting service
 you wish to use. After you create the pages on
 your PC; you then have to upload all of the pages
 by FTP (or some similar tool) to your hosting
 service. You may wish to create some pages as
 home pages to tell your story. The disadvantage
 of this technique is that it does not scale well.
 As the size of your family file gets bigger, you
 have more and more pages. Further, many of them
 will be small and, as a result, consume large amounts of hosting
 space.

 In the late 1990s, a program was created called
 IGM by Randy Winch. The idea behind IGM was that
 you uploaded your Gedcom file to your hosting
 service along with the IGM software and had IGM
 process your Gedcom and allow you to have IGM
 create your web pages dynamically as visitors
 requested them. Randy enhanced IGM for RootsWeb
 and that is what RootsWeb's WorldConnect service is using.

 In the early 2000s, two software products were
 created to take the IGM experience to a higher
 level. They have the limitation that the hosting
 service has to support php scripting MySQL
 databases that not all free or cable company
 hosting provides. They also expect the user to
 have, or have access to, some basic webmastering
 skills. Both require a quality hosting service
 and for you to acquire a domain name for your site.

 One is the OpenSource product phpGedView. This
 has the advantage that it is free. It is also slow.

 The other is the commercial product TNG. License
 cost is minor, and based on personal experience,
 the visitor experience is far superior and the
 customization tools provided by the vendor are
 effective and fairly easy to use. Further, it is
 the closest in data model to Legacy. Not
 identical, but most of your Legacy data can be
 imported into TNG and used as you would expect, including media and
 mapping.

 In many respects, all of the cloud based
 genealogy programs, including Ancestry Trees, are derivative of
 these
 ideas.

 To understand any of these dynamic solutions,
 think of them like you think of importing a
 Gedcom into Legacy. You import the Gedcom and
 Legacy/TNG/WorldConnect/etc. load your data from
 the Gedcom, as best as they can, into the
 programs database so that 

Re: [LegacyUG] Testing Legacy Web Pages

[BARTON LEWIS]

John, in your statement,

If you are using TNG or webtrees or some other tool with collaborative
ability, you could lose data and you might also lose the value of having
a search engine document your site.

do you means if you use TNG in conjunction with a cable company host
provider (subject of preceding objection), or if you use TNG, period.  I
assume the former, but am not sure.  If the latter, what is the best
alternative to using a tool with collaborative ability?  Are dynamic
web pages by definition ones with collaborative ability?  What does
collaborative ability mean, precisely? 

Thanks,

Barton
 
 
 On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 02:33 PM, John Lisle wrote:
 
  Barton,

 Although WC and FS do not (easily) take media,
 they are worthwhile as places to archive your
 genealogy that also makes your research available to different
 audiences.

 One of my issues with using Cable company for web
 site (or email address) is that you might drop
 your cable company and then lose your site. If
 you are using TNG or webtrees or some other tool
 with collaborative ability, you could lose data
 and you might also lose the value of having a search engine document
 your site.

 In general, Comcast and that ilk does not support
 PHP and MySQL sites nor sites as large as you
 will probably want, as soon as you start adding
 media. :-) They may be restricted to various size
 or bandwidth limits. (As an aside, some folks
 have mentioned hosting services that offer
 unlimited space and bandwidth. Every one of them
 have other limits, usually CPU usage or the like
 and tend to be quite cruel in deciding to kick
 you off if you hit one of their hidden limits.

 Look for a reputable hosting service that has 24/7 support.

 john.

 At 11:32 AM 4/14/2015, BARTON LEWIS wrote:
 John, thank you for the informative background.  I think I would not
 want to go with WorldConnect or FamilySearch as I want to be able to
 display media.  So I have been viewing the web page links at TNG and
 think that's the way I want to go.  My only concern is that by
 using my
 cable compnay as my website host I may run into problems if there is
 some kind of incompatability with using TNGÂ -- but I don't know if
 that's an issue.  I guess if it could be, I will only find out by
 trying
 it.  And if it does prove to be an issue, I could take my domain
 somewhere else to be hosted.  Does all of this sound
 reasonable/accurate?

 Thanks,

 Barton
 Â
 Â
 Â On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 01:38 AM, John Lisle wrote:
 Â
 Â  Barton,

 Two basic types of family tree sites exist: static pages and dynamic
 pages.

 Static pages means you create all of the pages
 you wish to upload to whatever hosting service
 you wish to use. After you create the pages on
 your PC; you then have to upload all of the pages
 by FTP (or some similar tool) to your hosting
 service. You may wish to create some pages as
 home pages to tell your story. The disadvantage
 of this technique is that it does not scale well.
 As the size of your family file gets bigger, you
 have more and more pages. Further, many of them
 will be small and, as a result, consume large amounts of hosting
 space.

 In the late 1990s, a program was created called
 IGM by Randy Winch. The idea behind IGM was that
 you uploaded your Gedcom file to your hosting
 service along with the IGM software and had IGM
 process your Gedcom and allow you to have IGM
 create your web pages dynamically as visitors
 requested them. Randy enhanced IGM for RootsWeb
 and that is what RootsWeb's WorldConnect service is using.

 In the early 2000s, two software products were
 created to take the IGM experience to a higher
 level. They have the limitation that the hosting
 service has to support php scripting MySQL
 databases that not all free or cable company
 hosting provides. They also expect the user to
 have, or have access to, some basic webmastering
 skills. Both require a quality hosting service
 and for you to acquire a domain name for your site.

 One is the OpenSource product phpGedView. This
 has the advantage that it is free. It is also slow.

 The other is the commercial product TNG. License
 cost is minor, and based on personal experience,
 the visitor experience is far superior and the
 customization tools provided by the vendor are
 effective and fairly easy to use. Further, it is
 the closest in data model to Legacy. Not
 identical, but most of your Legacy data can be
 imported into TNG and used as you would expect, including media and
 mapping.

 In many respects, all of the cloud based
 genealogy programs, including Ancestry Trees, are derivative of
 these
 ideas.

 To understand any of these dynamic solutions,
 think of them like you think of importing a
 Gedcom into Legacy. You import the Gedcom and
 Legacy/TNG/WorldConnect/etc. load your data from
 the Gedcom, as best as they can, into the
 programs database so that you can explore, and in
 some cases like TNG, edit your data using the program as a genealogy
 

Re: [LegacyUG] Testing Legacy Web Pages

[BARTON LEWIS]

Thanks, Margaret, I am seeing that now on some of the pages.
 
Barton

 
 
 
On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 04:54 PM, Margaret Turner wrote:
 
 
With regard to sources and tng. 
1. If any event is sourced, then they have a footnote suffix, 
2.These numbered sources are listed at the bottom of a person's page


http://turnermob.com/getperson.php?personID=I245tree=turner
http://turnermob.com/getperson.php?personID=I245tree=turner
(I use Legacy 7, basic sources and my reserach dates from late 1997 so I
many sources are not in the Mills Evidence Explained 
http://news.legacyfamilytree.com/legacy_news/2013/07/legacy-family-tree-8-revealed-sources.html
http://news.legacyfamilytree.com/legacy_news/2013/07/legacy-family-tree-8-revealed-sources.html
http://www.legacyfamilytreestore.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=EV2
http://www.legacyfamilytreestore.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=EV2


PS I use Legacy as my database, upload gedcom to tng, and customised the
tng-suppled templates.
:)
Margaret

On 15 April 2015 at 06:04, BARTON LEWIS bartonle...@optonline.net
mailto:bartonle...@optonline.net  wrote:
After looking over many pages at TNG, an objection I have is that

Sources is a separate page that is unlinked to any other.  If you

upload your GEDCOM to TNG, what happens to all your sources?  Do they

become separated from the events they document, or are they transferred

over at all?



I envision using my website to document a line one at a time, uploading

all the original source documentation or abstracts from published books,

etc.  I would like to combine a narrative with some descendant data, but

probably not all.  I liked Pat Hickin's tree at wikitree for this

reason, and that the sources were all displayed as footnotes and so

easily seen in context with the events they documented. 



Barton 


 

 

 On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 02:33 PM, John Lisle wrote:

 

  Barton,



 Although WC and FS do not (easily) take media,

 they are worthwhile as places to archive your

 genealogy that also makes your research available to different

 audiences.



 One of my issues with using Cable company for web

 site (or email address) is that you might drop

 your cable company and then lose your site. If

 you are using TNG or webtrees or some other tool

 with collaborative ability, you could lose data

 and you might also lose the value of having a search engine document

 your site.



 In general, Comcast and that ilk does not support

 PHP and MySQL sites nor sites as large as you

 will probably want, as soon as you start adding

 media. :-) They may be restricted to various size

 or bandwidth limits. (As an aside, some folks

 have mentioned hosting services that offer

 unlimited space and bandwidth. Every one of them

 have other limits, usually CPU usage or the like

 and tend to be quite cruel in deciding to kick

 you off if you hit one of their hidden limits.



 Look for a reputable hosting service that has 24/7 support.



 john.



 At 11:32 AM 4/14/2015, BARTON LEWIS wrote:

 John, thank you for the informative background.  I think I would not

 want to go with WorldConnect or FamilySearch as I want to be able to

 display media.  So I have been viewing the web page links at TNG and

 think that's the way I want to go.  My only concern is that by

 using my

 cable compnay as my website host I may run into problems if there is

 some kind of incompatability with using TNGÂ -- but I don't know if

 that's an issue.  I guess if it could be, I will only find out by

 trying

 it.  And if it does prove to be an issue, I could take my domain

 somewhere else to be hosted.  Does all of this sound

 reasonable/accurate?



 Thanks,



 Barton

 Â

 Â

 Â On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 01:38 AM, John Lisle wrote:

 Â


 Â  Barton,




 Two basic types of family tree sites exist: static pages and dynamic

 pages.



 Static pages means you create all of the pages

 you wish to upload to whatever hosting service

 you wish to use. After you create the pages on

 your PC; you then have to upload all of the pages

 by FTP (or some similar tool) to your hosting

 service. You may wish to create some pages as

 home pages to tell your story. The disadvantage

 of this technique is that it does not scale well.

 As the size of your family file gets bigger, you

 have more and more pages. Further, many of them

 will be small and, as a result, consume large amounts of hosting

 space.



 In the late 1990s, a program was created called

 IGM by Randy Winch. The idea behind IGM was that

 you uploaded your Gedcom file to your hosting

 service along with the IGM software and had IGM

 process your Gedcom and allow you to have IGM

 create your web pages dynamically as visitors

 requested them. Randy enhanced IGM for RootsWeb

 and that is what RootsWeb's WorldConnect service is using.



 In the early 2000s, two software products were

 created to take the IGM experience to a higher

 level. They have the limitation 

Re: [LegacyUG] Testing Legacy Web Pages

[Margaret Turner]

With regard to sources and tng.
1. If any event is sourced, then they have a footnote suffix,
2.These numbered sources are listed at the bottom of a person's page

http://turnermob.com/getperson.php?personID=I245tree=turner
(I use Legacy 7, basic sources and my reserach dates from late 1997 so I
many sources are not in the Mills Evidence Explained
http://news.legacyfamilytree.com/legacy_news/2013/07/legacy-family-tree-8-revealed-sources.html
http://www.legacyfamilytreestore.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=EV2

PS I use Legacy as my database, upload gedcom to tng, and customised the
tng-suppled templates.
:)
Margaret

On 15 April 2015 at 06:04, BARTON LEWIS bartonle...@optonline.net wrote:

 After looking over many pages at TNG, an objection I have is that
 Sources is a separate page that is unlinked to any other.  If you
 upload your GEDCOM to TNG, what happens to all your sources?  Do they
 become separated from the events they document, or are they transferred
 over at all?

 I envision using my website to document a line one at a time, uploading
 all the original source documentation or abstracts from published books,
 etc.  I would like to combine a narrative with some descendant data, but
 probably not all.  I liked Pat Hickin's tree at wikitree for this
 reason, and that the sources were all displayed as footnotes and so
 easily seen in context with the events they documented.

 Barton


  On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 02:33 PM, John Lisle wrote:

   Barton,
 
  Although WC and FS do not (easily) take media,
  they are worthwhile as places to archive your
  genealogy that also makes your research available to different
  audiences.
 
  One of my issues with using Cable company for web
  site (or email address) is that you might drop
  your cable company and then lose your site. If
  you are using TNG or webtrees or some other tool
  with collaborative ability, you could lose data
  and you might also lose the value of having a search engine document
  your site.
 
  In general, Comcast and that ilk does not support
  PHP and MySQL sites nor sites as large as you
  will probably want, as soon as you start adding
  media. :-) They may be restricted to various size
  or bandwidth limits. (As an aside, some folks
  have mentioned hosting services that offer
  unlimited space and bandwidth. Every one of them
  have other limits, usually CPU usage or the like
  and tend to be quite cruel in deciding to kick
  you off if you hit one of their hidden limits.
 
  Look for a reputable hosting service that has 24/7 support.
 
  john.
 
  At 11:32 AM 4/14/2015, BARTON LEWIS wrote:
  John, thank you for the informative background.  I think I would not
  want to go with WorldConnect or FamilySearch as I want to be able to
  display media.  So I have been viewing the web page links at TNG and
  think that's the way I want to go.  My only concern is that by
  using my
  cable compnay as my website host I may run into problems if there is
  some kind of incompatability with using TNGÂ -- but I don't know if
  that's an issue.  I guess if it could be, I will only find out by
  trying
  it.  And if it does prove to be an issue, I could take my domain
  somewhere else to be hosted.  Does all of this sound
  reasonable/accurate?
 
  Thanks,
 
  Barton
  Â
  Â
  Â On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 01:38 AM, John Lisle wrote:
  Â
  Â  Barton,
 
  Two basic types of family tree sites exist: static pages and dynamic
  pages.
 
  Static pages means you create all of the pages
  you wish to upload to whatever hosting service
  you wish to use. After you create the pages on
  your PC; you then have to upload all of the pages
  by FTP (or some similar tool) to your hosting
  service. You may wish to create some pages as
  home pages to tell your story. The disadvantage
  of this technique is that it does not scale well.
  As the size of your family file gets bigger, you
  have more and more pages. Further, many of them
  will be small and, as a result, consume large amounts of hosting
  space.
 
  In the late 1990s, a program was created called
  IGM by Randy Winch. The idea behind IGM was that
  you uploaded your Gedcom file to your hosting
  service along with the IGM software and had IGM
  process your Gedcom and allow you to have IGM
  create your web pages dynamically as visitors
  requested them. Randy enhanced IGM for RootsWeb
  and that is what RootsWeb's WorldConnect service is using.
 
  In the early 2000s, two software products were
  created to take the IGM experience to a higher
  level. They have the limitation that the hosting
  service has to support php scripting MySQL
  databases that not all free or cable company
  hosting provides. They also expect the user to
  have, or have access to, some basic webmastering
  skills. Both require a quality hosting service
  and for you to acquire a domain name for your site.
 
  One is the OpenSource product phpGedView. This
  has the advantage that it is free. It is also slow.
 

RE: [LegacyUG] Testing Legacy Web Pages

[John Lisle]

Stuart,

Thank you for mentioning webtrees. I was aware of
it but have not investigated it.

One of my issues with phpGedview was that it did
not well handle large Gedcoms. After looking at
the site samples on their web site, I do not see
examples of large files. However, it does appear
to be far superior to phpGedview in most other ways.

I will need to give it more thought as an
alternative to TNG. The TNG license cost is not a
factor in contrast to the cost of hosting service
and domain name that would be common to both TNG or webtrees.

Another web site solution that I did not mention
is www.gigatrees.com. That site has some tools
for Gedcom analysis that are useful to assuring
that your data is not bonkers. They also have
an ability to create from your Gedcom a set of
static pages for a web site that is more
interactive than the Legacy pages. I find that is
useful when researching a large new family branch
as I can quickly go from Legacy to a private web site to review the data.

john.




At 06:16 AM 4/14/2015, Stuart Gregory wrote:
For Barton, John and others interested,

The open source PHPGedview has not been actively
supported for a number of years since the main
developer and a lot of others moved to create
webtrees. I would definitely not recommend using
PHPGedview. Webtrees is open source and
therefore free, unlike TNG (The Next
Generation). I have been a user of Legacy and
webtrees for many years and PHPGedview for
several years prior to moving to webtrees.

For many years my webtrees site has been my
prime database and I occasionally export a
Gedcom from my site and create a new Legacy .fdb
file so as to create reports that aren't
available using webtrees. Although I back up my
MySQL database every night, creating a new
Legacy .fdb is another form of backup.

Stuart

-Original Message-
From: John Lisle [mailto:leg...@johnlisle.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 14 April 2015 1:39 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Testing Legacy Web Pages

Barton,

Two basic types of family tree sites exist: static pages and dynamic pages.

Static pages means you create all of the pages
you wish to upload to whatever hosting service
you wish to use. After you create the pages on
your PC; you then have to upload all of the
pages by FTP (or some similar tool) to your
hosting service. You may wish to create some
pages as home pages to tell your story. The
disadvantage of this technique is that it does not scale well.
As the size of your family file gets bigger, you
have more and more pages. Further, many of them
will be small and, as a result, consume large amounts of hosting space.

In the late 1990s, a program was created called
IGM by Randy Winch. The idea behind IGM was that
you uploaded your Gedcom file to your hosting
service along with the IGM software and had IGM
process your Gedcom and allow you to have IGM
create your web pages dynamically as visitors
requested them. Randy enhanced IGM for RootsWeb
and that is what RootsWeb's WorldConnect service is using.

In the early 2000s, two software products were
created to take the IGM experience to a higher
level. They have the limitation that the hosting
service has to support php scripting MySQL
databases that not all free or cable company
hosting provides. They also expect the user to
have, or have access to, some basic webmastering
skills. Both require a quality hosting service
and for you to acquire a domain name for your site.

One is the OpenSource product phpGedView. This
has the advantage that it is free. It is also slow.

The other is the commercial product TNG. License
cost is minor, and based on personal experience,
the visitor experience is far superior and the
customization tools provided by the vendor are
effective and fairly easy to use. Further, it is
the closest in data model to Legacy. Not
identical, but most of your Legacy data can be
imported into TNG and used as you would expect, including media and mapping.

In many respects, all of the cloud based
genealogy programs, including Ancestry Trees, are derivative of these ideas.

To understand any of these dynamic solutions,
think of them like you think of importing a
Gedcom into Legacy. You import the Gedcom and
Legacy/TNG/WorldConnect/etc. load your data from
the Gedcom, as best as they can, into the
programs database so that you can explore, and
in some cases like TNG, edit your data using the
program as a genealogy program.

-- I have at times edited my TNG family file
directly when a visitor pointed out a problem
that needed immediate correction; however,
normally, for me, corrections come when I update
a new Gedcom as Legacy files are always my master file.

Last year, I was part of a team of members of
the Guild of One Name Studies who looked at
these solutions. The Guild has decided to pilot
a program where members can get hosting space
with the Guild for a web site that after paying
for it while living will be retained after the
member retires as a means

Re: [LegacyUG] Testing Legacy Web Pages

[John Lisle]

Barton,

Two basic types of family tree sites exist: static pages and dynamic pages.

Static pages means you create all of the pages
you wish to upload to whatever hosting service
you wish to use. After you create the pages on
your PC; you then have to upload all of the pages
by FTP (or some similar tool) to your hosting
service. You may wish to create some pages as
home pages to tell your story. The disadvantage
of this technique is that it does not scale well.
As the size of your family file gets bigger, you
have more and more pages. Further, many of them
will be small and, as a result, consume large amounts of hosting space.

In the late 1990s, a program was created called
IGM by Randy Winch. The idea behind IGM was that
you uploaded your Gedcom file to your hosting
service along with the IGM software and had IGM
process your Gedcom and allow you to have IGM
create your web pages dynamically as visitors
requested them. Randy enhanced IGM for RootsWeb
and that is what RootsWeb's WorldConnect service is using.

In the early 2000s, two software products were
created to take the IGM experience to a higher
level. They have the limitation that the hosting
service has to support php scripting MySQL
databases that not all free or cable company
hosting provides. They also expect the user to
have, or have access to, some basic webmastering
skills. Both require a quality hosting service
and for you to acquire a domain name for your site.

One is the OpenSource product phpGedView. This
has the advantage that it is free. It is also slow.

The other is the commercial product TNG. License
cost is minor, and based on personal experience,
the visitor experience is far superior and the
customization tools provided by the vendor are
effective and fairly easy to use. Further, it is
the closest in data model to Legacy. Not
identical, but most of your Legacy data can be
imported into TNG and used as you would expect, including media and mapping.

In many respects, all of the cloud based
genealogy programs, including Ancestry Trees, are derivative of these ideas.

To understand any of these dynamic solutions,
think of them like you think of importing a
Gedcom into Legacy. You import the Gedcom and
Legacy/TNG/WorldConnect/etc. load your data from
the Gedcom, as best as they can, into the
programs database so that you can explore, and in
some cases like TNG, edit your data using the program as a genealogy program.

-- I have at times edited my TNG family file
directly when a visitor pointed out a problem
that needed immediate correction; however,
normally, for me, corrections come when I update
a new Gedcom as Legacy files are always my master file.

Last year, I was part of a team of members of the
Guild of One Name Studies who looked at these
solutions. The Guild has decided to pilot a
program where members can get hosting space with
the Guild for a web site that after paying for it
while living will be retained after the member
retires as a means of providing that members'
research is not lost and continues to be
available. The selected tool for dynamic web sites is TNG.

BTW, one of the issues with any web site is how
it plays with the various search bots. The
Chicago company SimplyHosting is considered to be
so TNG friendly that they have TNG specific
hosting packages that cost under $5 a month, and
they will even install the TNG software for you.
(I have no financial interest in any of these
vendors.) I use their services after having issues with other services.

-- if you want easy places to preserve your data
for no cost, I would suggest WorldConnect or
FamilySearch (their community trees are based on
limited version of TNG). Both have limitations on
what can be displayed and what, if any, media
items you can attach to your tree.

Questions?

john.

At 12:01 AM 4/14/2015, Cathy Pinner wrote:
Hi Barton,
Thought I'd get your email out of an irrelevant thread.

I can't help with your hosting and compatibility issues.

However, Legacy Web Pages are generated on your computer and you can
view them in your browser.
Uploading them to a host is a another step.

So go to Internet Ribbon and choose an option in the Create Web Pages
section and play.

To see what others have done with Legacy Web Pages, Google with Legacy
8.0 from Millennia including the quotes.

Cathy
  My cable provider for a nominal fee provides
 web hosting so I upgraded.  I started using
 Kompozer to build a website.  I don’t think
 it’s going to be adequate to what I want to
 do and also I've had problems with it -- the
 cable provider says it's creating problems and
 they recommend using their tool to build the
 website.  It’s free.  But I don’t like its
 templates -- they're not suited to what I want
 to do.  I am now worried about this host
 provider not being compatible with whatever
 website building tool I choose.  I'm not sure
 if I should be - don't know enough about it.  I
 want to find a website building tool that gives
 me freedom to 

[LegacyUG] Testing Legacy Web Pages

[Cathy Pinner]

Hi Barton,
Thought I'd get your email out of an irrelevant thread.

I can't help with your hosting and compatibility issues.

However, Legacy Web Pages are generated on your computer and you can
view them in your browser.
Uploading them to a host is a another step.

So go to Internet Ribbon and choose an option in the Create Web Pages
section and play.

To see what others have done with Legacy Web Pages, Google with Legacy
8.0 from Millennia including the quotes.

Cathy
 My cable provider for a nominal fee provides web hosting so I upgraded.  I 
 started using Kompozer to build a website.  I don’t think it’s going to be 
 adequate to what I want to do and also I've had problems with it -- the cable 
 provider says it's creating problems and they recommend using their tool to 
 build the website.  It’s free.  But I don’t like its templates -- they're not 
 suited to what I want to do.  I am now worried about this host provider not 
 being compatible with whatever website building tool I choose.  I'm not 
 sure if I should be - don't know enough about it.  I want to find a website 
 building tool that gives me freedom to design the look of my site.  I'm 
 somewhat tech savvy and willing to deal with the learning curve.  Do I need 
 to have a web host that is compatible with whatever website building tool I 
 use?  I am wondering if I need to change from my cable provider to another 
 host.  The domain name is my first and last name so if it means changing to 
 another domain name, I really would prefer not to have to do that.

 Finally, I guess I would want to upload my Legacy pages to the site as 
 opposed to renter data but I don't feel I have seen enough examples here to 
 know what different options there are or how they would look.  Is there any 
 way to test print a Legacy page to see what it looks like on the web?  What 
 page does one publish to the web -- is it a report?  If not, what is it, 
 exactly?

 Pat Hickin's Wikitree pages appealed to me but he/she (sorry Pat I don’t know 
 if you’re a Patrick or Patricia) said the Legacy conversion to Wikitree was 
 difficult.  Any answers to the above questions or thoughts would be 
 appreciated.

 Thanks,

 Barton





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Re: [LegacyUG] Testing

[Robert57P_gmail]

Legacy support,

At this web page:
http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/LegacyLists.asp
why don't you add a comment near the SUBSCRIBE area (maybe inside the
blue box at the bottom of the blue box):

The comment would read something like:


If you subscribe but do not begin receiving e-mails within 5 days,
please e-mail
supp...@legacyfamilytree.com
for assistance in subscribing.
Please give the system 5 days before you e-mail us.
Thank you


Or something like that.  5 days may be too long - the point is to give
them an alternate method of subscribing if the main method fails.  Yea,
I realize you may get impatient folks that do both at the same time, but
hopefully most folks will give the main method a reasonable length of
time first.  This may reduce some of the frustration that some folks
have when the regular subscription process fails.

Thanks for offering this FREE forum for us users to discuss Legacy! We
greatly appreciate it.

Bob

On 04/11/2015 16:22, Jack Earnshaw wrote:
 Hi Don
 There is a fundamental problem with subscribing to the list as many, many 
 people have reported this problem. If you send an email to 
 supp...@legacyfamilytree.com and explain the problem they will subscribe you 
 manually

 Jack

 -Original Message-
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 Sent: 11 April 2015 20:20
 To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: [LegacyUG] Testing

 I have subscribed (I think) but in about 2 weeks I have not yet received a 
 single message.





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RE: [LegacyUG] Testing

[Jack Earnshaw]

Hi Don
There is a fundamental problem with subscribing to the list as many, many 
people have reported this problem. If you send an email to 
supp...@legacyfamilytree.com and explain the problem they will subscribe you 
manually

Jack

-Original Message-
From: Don Cook [mailto:docoo...@msn.com]
Sent: 11 April 2015 20:20
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Testing

I have subscribed (I think) but in about 2 weeks I have not yet received a 
single message.





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[LegacyUG] Testing

[Don Cook]

I have subscribed (I think) but in about 2 weeks I have not yet received a
single message.





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RE: [LegacyUG] Testing

[CE WOOD]

You need to contact Legacy support. Lately, the list has been capriciously 
deleting long-time members, so it's not just new members who are having the 
problem. As one poster said:

Unfortunately this is a longstanding problem which Millennium is unable to 
fix, and they have just decided to live with it evidently. You will need to 
contact tech support whenever this happens.

CE

 From: docoo...@msn.com
 To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: [LegacyUG] Testing
 Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2015 13:19:45 -0600

 I have subscribed (I think) but in about 2 weeks I have not yet received a
 single message.



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RE: [LegacyUG] Testing

[Barton Lewis]

This is a longstanding problem for new subscribers that Legacy refuses to fix.  
Write the technical support folks at the email address below and ask them to 
help you.

Barton

-Original Message-
From: Don Cook [mailto:docoo...@msn.com]
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2015 3:20 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Testing

I have subscribed (I think) but in about 2 weeks I have not yet received a 
single message.





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[LegacyUG] testing

[Markus Zuercher]

Very quiet here.

Just testing



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Re: [LegacyUG] testing

[Wendy Howard]

Hi Marcus,

The list has been quite active today - have you received any posts? Have
you checked your spam folder?

How long have you been subscribed - have you received anything from the
list since you joined it?  the only post I've seen from this address of
yours was almost three years ago, so perhaps you left and came back just
recently?

In any case, if you're not receiving the posts you should contact Legacy
Support for assistance.  I don't need to know the answers to the
questions you've asked - they're for you to think about, and maybe tell
Support the details when/if you contact them.

A copy of this email is going directly to Marcus to ensure he sees it.

Kind Regards,
Wendy


Markus Zuercher said the following on 16/05/2014 11:53:

 Very quiet here…

 Just testing

 Markus




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[LegacyUG] testing

[Mary LeClerc]

Haven't been receiving mail from the group for the last week or more.

--
Mary LeClerc
quiltingm...@gmail.com



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RE: [LegacyUG] testing

[Kurt Kneeland]

Your email came through to the group.  There has been plenty of activity on the 
group the past week.



I guess you’ll need to contact support (supp...@legacyfamilytree.com).  Don’t 
know if the reset function they use will work in your case.  That usually 
solves the problem for new users whose accounts don’t get started properly.  
Yours is first I’ve heard of where an active account has just stopped working.



From: Mary LeClerc [mailto:quiltingm...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2014 9:48 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] testing



Haven't been receiving mail from the group for the last week or more.

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Mary LeClerc

quiltingm...@gmail.com











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[LegacyUG] Testing subscription

[BobsTree2-Gmail]

Just a test. Previous subscriptions for me did not work.

Bob Hansen



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Re: [LegacyUG] Testing subscription

[Kathy Thompson]

Just a reply. Hopefully this one works for you



On 14/10/2013, at 4:27 AM, BobsTree2-Gmail bobstr...@gmail.com wrote:

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Re: [LegacyUG] Testing

[RICHARD SCHULTHIES]

Sometimes the group is silent.

--- On Sun, 3/10/13, Oregon Rain duster...@frontier.com wrote:


From: Oregon Rain duster...@frontier.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Testing
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Date: Sunday, March 10, 2013, 6:00 AM







This is a test message to see if I am actually receiving mail from this list. 
Nothing has come through since I subscribe to the list day before yesterday.
 
Constance

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Re: [LegacyUG] Testing

[David Abernathy]

Well,it works on this end

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Re: [LegacyUG] Testing HI from momalot66

[Nina K. Johnson]

Hi  I'm trying to get Legacy working correctly on my Apple iMac.  I think Apple 
Mail rule may be giving me problems.  Any Apple iMac users or Apple users got 
ant suggestions?  You might want to also cc me off line: momalo...@me.com, but 
is that legal for our Legacy User Group?  John Roose, do you use rules?  Is 
that why you might be having problems?


On Apr 14, 2011, at 6:37 AM, John Roose wrote:

 Hi

 On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 7:32 AM, Corinne Fordschmid cfordsch...@bluewin.ch 
 wrote:
 Although I’m on the mailing list, I don’t seem to be getting any messages. 
 Legacy support have re-subscribed me so this is just a test to see if it now 
 works.

 Perhaps some of you could just respond with a quick “Hi” and I’ll see if they 
 get through the mystery blocker!

 Thanks

 Corinne




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 Genealogy - - - - - it's in my blood!


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Re: [LegacyUG] Testing

[John Roose]

Hi

On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 7:32 AM, Corinne Fordschmid
cfordsch...@bluewin.chwrote:

  Although I’m on the mailing list, I don’t seem to be getting any
 messages. Legacy support have re-subscribed me so this is just a test to see
 if it now works.

 Perhaps some of you could just respond with a quick “Hi” and I’ll see if
 they get through the mystery blocker!

 Thanks

 Corinne




 Legacy User Group guidelines:

 http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asphttp://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Etiquette.asp
 Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009:
http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
 Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009:
http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/
 Online technical support: 
 http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asphttp://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Help.asp
 To unsubscribe: 
 http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asphttp://www.legacyfamilytree.com/LegacyLists.asp
 http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/LegacyLists.asp




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Re: [LegacyUG] Testing

[Tim Rosenlof]

Hide-ho Neighbor loud and clear !

Tim R.
(Copy sent to her personally)

On 4/14/2011 5:32 AM, Corinne Fordschmid wrote:

 Although I’m on the mailing list, I don’t seem to be getting any
 messages. Legacy support have re-subscribed me so this is just a test
 to see if it now works.

 Perhaps some of you could just respond with a quick “Hi” and I’ll see
 if they get through the mystery blocker!

 Thanks

 Corinne





Legacy User Group guidelines:

   http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp

Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009:

   http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/

Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009:

   http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/

Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp

To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp

Re: [LegacyUG] Testing

[Tim Rosenlof]

Spelling Correction  Hidee-ho Neighbor  Probably still wrong ? Taken
from Home Improvement.

Tim R.

On 4/14/2011 7:50 AM, Tim Rosenlof wrote:
 Hide-ho Neighbor loud and clear !

 Tim R.
 (Copy sent to her personally)

 On 4/14/2011 5:32 AM, Corinne Fordschmid wrote:




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   http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp

Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009:

   http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/

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Re: [LegacyUG] Testing

[RICHARD SCHULTHIES]

Hi from Rich in LA CA

--- On Thu, 4/14/11, Corinne Fordschmid cfordsch...@bluewin.ch wrote:


From: Corinne Fordschmid cfordsch...@bluewin.ch
Subject: [LegacyUG] Testing
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Date: Thursday, April 14, 2011, 4:32 AM






Although I’m on the mailing list, I don’t seem to be getting any messages. 
Legacy support have re-subscribed me so this is just a test to see if it now 
works.
Perhaps some of you could just respond with a quick “Hi” and I’ll see if they 
get through the mystery blocker!
Thanks
Corinne
 

Legacy User Group guidelines:
   http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp
Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009:
   http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009:
   http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/
Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp
To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp



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   http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp

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Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp

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[LegacyUG] Testing

[Steve Stevens]

Sorry to anyone who does receive this, but a number of us are not and I am 
testing for SPAM filtering.




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[LegacyUG] testing

[Collene Pearce]

I'm testing to see if my message ever shows up.
So far it hasn't.



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Re: [LegacyUG] testing

[Sherry/Support]

I am in correspondence with Collene through our Support system about
this issue so there's no need for a string of messages that her
message came through.



Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree



On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 9:50 AM, Collene Pearce acpea...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
 I'm testing to see if my message ever shows up.
 So far it hasn't.




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   http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp

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Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009:

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[LegacyUG] testing only

[Stuart Poulton]

Regards



Stuart










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[LegacyUG] TESTING IGNORE

[John Murray]

I am having trouble trying to recieve email from the list

Just tesing
John



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[LegacyUG] Testing

[arlene mobley]

Testing

Arlene

DT Team Member http://www.paperimagerydesigns.com
My Blog http://alteredbyme.blogspot.com



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[LegacyUG] Testing - please ignore

[Jan Roberts]

Please ignore this message - I am trying to see if my email rule re Plain
Text to LUG is working.



Cheers

Jan




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RE: [LegacyUG] Testing - please ignore

[Jan Roberts]

Sorry - looks like I have to check every time I send to LUG

Cheers
Jan
From: Jan Roberts [mailto:poo...@ozemail.com.au]
Sent: Thursday, 20 May 2010 18:03
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Testing - please ignore

Please ignore this message – I am trying to see if my email rule re Plain Text 
to LUG is working.

Cheers
Jan






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Re: [LegacyUG] Testing - please ignore

[Mike Fry]

On 2010/05/20 10:03, Jan Roberts wrote:
 Please ignore this message – I am trying to see if my email rule re
 Plain Text to LUG is working.

No, it's not! Looking at the message source, you've got a text part and
an html part.

--
Regards,
Mike Fry
Johannesburg



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Re: [LegacyUG] Testing - please ignore

[Mike Fry]

On 2010/05/20 10:06, Jan Roberts wrote:
 Sorry - looks like I have to check every time I send to LUG


That one was plain text :-)

--
Regards,
Mike Fry
Johannesburg



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