Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Paid services from OSM

2008-10-09 Thread Simon Ward
On Thu, Oct 09, 2008 at 08:05:23PM -0700, Mikel Maron wrote: > If this were about code, the belief would be that every time someone compiled > that code into running software, that binary would need to be freely > available. Clearly not the reasonable thing for software. But you would have > thi

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Paid services from OSM

2008-10-09 Thread Mikel Maron
--- On Thu, 10/9/08, Simon Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote Merely processing into a different format needs to be clarified. If someone takes OSM ways + nodes + relations and imports it into PostGIS without changing any of it, I see that as processing into a different format. I believe that PostG

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL for the DB; what about the contents?

2008-10-09 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, let's try to sort this out, I think I still not get your point fully. Simon Ward wrote: > I’m about creating a world map that’s free for the world and remains > free for the world. I'll recap the typical concept behind that: If our database were PD then it would be free but it would not

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Question on derived datasets - old license and proposed license...

2008-10-09 Thread Simon Ward
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 12:49:32AM +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 09, 2008 at 06:20:32PM +0200, Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: > >> I cannot speak for everyone, but I do think that the general idea is to > >> make > >> the ODbL work like a copyleft license (i.e. you're required to distri

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Question on derived datasets - old license and proposed license...

2008-10-09 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Simon Ward wrote: > On Thu, Oct 09, 2008 at 06:20:32PM +0200, Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: >> I cannot speak for everyone, but I do think that the general idea is to make >> the ODbL work like a copyleft license (i.e. you're required to distribute >> the "source" data only to the people you di

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Paid services from OSM

2008-10-09 Thread Simon Ward
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 12:09:09AM +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Simon Ward wrote: > > Merely processing into a different format needs to be clarified. If > > someone takes OSM ways + nodes + relations and imports it into PostGIS > > without changing any of it, I see that as processing into a diff

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Question on derived datasets - old license and proposed license...

2008-10-09 Thread Simon Ward
On Thu, Oct 09, 2008 at 06:20:32PM +0200, Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: > I cannot speak for everyone, but I do think that the general idea is to make > the ODbL work like a copyleft license (i.e. you're required to distribute > the "source" data only to the people you distribute the maps to). You'l

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL for the DB; what about the contents?

2008-10-09 Thread Simon Ward
On Thu, Oct 09, 2008 at 04:54:54PM +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Simon Ward wrote: > > Your argument would also suggest that there is no need for the factual > > licence. > > Yes there is; it would protect users who extract a non-substantial > amount of data against any claims from anybody. As

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Paid services from OSM

2008-10-09 Thread Simon Ward
On Thu, Oct 09, 2008 at 07:26:05AM -0700, Sunburned Surveyor wrote: > I can think of three types of material changes that we would want > contributed back to OSM: > > [1] Modifications that improve (not degrade) the accuracy of a Feature > geometry. > [2] Modifications that improve (not degrade)

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Paid services from OSM

2008-10-09 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Simon Ward wrote: > Merely processing into a different format needs to be clarified. If > someone takes OSM ways + nodes + relations and imports it into PostGIS > without changing any of it, I see that as processing into a different > format. I believe that PostGIS DB should be freely availa

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Question on derived datasets - old license and proposed license...

2008-10-09 Thread Frederik Ramm
Ivan, Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: > Right now, the wording of the ODbL includes the word "public" a few more > times > than I think it's neccesary, so it works differently (i.e. I think it doesn't > pass the DFSG "dissident test"). I agree - could you add something about that "dissident test" o

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Paid services from OSM

2008-10-09 Thread Simon Ward
On Thu, Oct 09, 2008 at 08:48:07AM +0100, Peter Miller wrote: > 1) We clarify that a Derived Database is only deems to exist when the > martial changes have occurred to the content of the DB, but not if the > dataset has merely been processed into a different format. Merely processing into a diffe

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Derived work fun

2008-10-09 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Nick Black wrote: > I saw this. It doesn't seem to square with things that Ed has > suggested before. At SOTM08 he said that placing a pin on the map > made it a derived work and was very unclear about the ownership. I guess the same soft rule applies as it does to mapping from aerial imag

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Paid services from OSM

2008-10-09 Thread Peter Miller
I notice that the conversation has moved on from issues around Derivative Databases to factual/copyright data. Can I confirm that we have agreement on the previous point re Derivative DBs? Can I suggest: 1) We clarify that a Derived Database is only deems to exist when the martial changes have