Re: [OSM-legal-talk] The use of OSM images in a promotional video

2010-08-09 Thread Michael Collinson
Hi Elliot, For me, yes and yes but. I mapped most of central Sydney myself originally and am delighted. Your use clearly indicates two separate layers which the community says is OK, you don't need to share alike the 3D model ... though perhaps you can consider it? As for the credits,

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] decision removing data

2010-08-09 Thread Ed Avis
Anthony o...@... writes: There isn't a switch to ODbL.  Just a (not very practical IMHO) plan to do so at some point in the future, Did you see my addendum? I don't trust the OSMF to properly remove all of my work and derivatives of my work if/when they stop releasing those derivatives under

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] decision removing data

2010-08-09 Thread Frederik Ramm
Anthony, Anthony wrote: I don't trust the OSMF to properly remove all of my work and derivatives of my work if/when they stop releasing those derivatives under CC-BY-SA. In December last year we had a guy also called Anthony on legal-talk who said: I live in the United States, where

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PD declaration non binding?

2010-08-09 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 5:53 AM, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: Frederik Ramm frede...@... writes: By the way, the database right exists - in certain jurisdictions like the EU - even if it is not asserted. That means, OSMF is likely to hold database rights over the database even today. But

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] decision removing data

2010-08-09 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Ed Avis wrote: Anthony writes: I'm currently working on a fork. I'm still hopeful that people will find some compromise, and it won't be needed. (Myself I would be quite happy if the project chose a dual licence.) But if a fork proves necessary, I'll be happy to help. My impression

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] decision removing data

2010-08-09 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 7:59 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Anthony, Anthony wrote: I don't trust the OSMF to properly remove all of my work and derivatives of my work if/when they stop releasing those derivatives under CC-BY-SA. In December last year we had a guy also called

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] decision removing data

2010-08-09 Thread John Smith
On 9 August 2010 23:11, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 7:59 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Alternatively, you could perhaps contribute to CommonMap (commonmap.info) who are not a fork of OSM but acknowledge OSM as inspiration and are not

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] decision removing data

2010-08-09 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 8:54 AM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Ed Avis wrote: Anthony writes: I'm currently working on a fork. I'm still hopeful that people will find some compromise, and it won't be needed. (Myself I would be quite happy if the project chose a dual

[OSM-legal-talk] (Not) Removing data

2010-08-09 Thread Michael Collinson
I have been away from the grand fray for several weeks due to personal matters and have been catching up with threads on this list. One question, I think from Liz, was who decided to remove data. That got me thinking as there was never any explicit decision point. Therefore I have a question

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] (Not) Removing data

2010-08-09 Thread John Smith
On 10 August 2010 01:29, Michael Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz wrote: they exert their original copyright and request us to do so? A common mantra is that copyright does not mean much unless exerted. Views? Precedents? This is a slippery slope, and it would give precedent to what ever comes next

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] decision removing data

2010-08-09 Thread Frederik Ramm
Heiko, Heiko Jacobs wrote: If you really consider your contributions to be in the public domain then good news for you: we do not require your agreeing to any contract. Did I miss something? On https://docs.google.com/View?id=dc3bxdhs_0cc77vdd9 I only read this three possibilities: [Agree

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] decision removing data

2010-08-09 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: If you really consider your contributions to be in the public domain then good news for you: we do not require your agreeing to any contract. No, I'll simply take his data and upload it under an account which I sign up

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] decision removing data

2010-08-09 Thread 80n
On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 11:11 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: On Aug 9, 2010, at 7:14 AM, Anthony wrote: If that was you back then: Why should you request OSMF to properly remove all of your work when at the same time you have no problem with OSM using my contributions in any way

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] decision removing data

2010-08-09 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 4:21 PM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: On Sun, 8 Aug 2010, Frederik Ramm wrote: Imports are bad enough in the effect they have on the surveying community. You are welcome to join a 48,000 km kayak trip to survey the Australian coastline. However If there is

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] decision removing data

2010-08-09 Thread John Smith
2010/8/10 Dirk-Lüder Kreie osm-l...@deelkar.net: The Ideal would be PD/CC0, because that wouldn't limit us in so many ways. That's not true, it wouldn't limit what terms could be placed on end users of the data, it would increasingly limit what contributors can do.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] decision removing data

2010-08-09 Thread Anthony
2010/8/9 Dirk-Lüder Kreie osm-l...@deelkar.net: Yes, easier said than done. But in my opinion a free and open geodatabase of the world is only free if it doesn't impose limits on it's uses. If you use OSM in a work, say that you used OSM, and don't sue anybody for copying that work. Is that