On Jueves, 25 de abril de 2013 12:06:00 Martin Koppenhoefer escribió:
> 2013/4/25 Iván Sánchez Ortega
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> > The answer to this might be different if your jurisdiction [...]
> > european database directive.
>
> But which is the relevant jurisdiction, the one the mapper
-substantial amounts of
data. And that's perfectly OK to do under european law (and you retain all
copyrights of the derived work of your repeated extraction).
The answer to this might be different if your jurisdiction doesn't apply the
european database directive.
IMHO: go ahead.
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would apply.
I hope that clears it up a bit.
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or restriccuiones razonables de privacidad, privilegio o seguridad.-
h) the data won't be subject to any copyright regulation, except for
reasonable privacy, privilege or safety restrictions.-
That kinda clashes with the non-commercial bit. Do we have anyone in Uruguay
that can send a couple
the worse licenses I've seen. I guess that
SFgov would be willing to share some data if asked nicely.
Speaking of which, how many people from the OSM-US "chapter" are there
in SF? A meeting between OSM-US and SFgov could prove useful IMHO
e data in
addition to the cached maps).
In a nutshell: say the data comes from OSM, and don't impose any (legal)
contraints on the cached data.
You don't have to specifically ask anyone to make commercial use of OSM maps.
That's the beauty of the license.
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ead, have spent five minutes and whipped up a slippy map:
http://maps.cloudmade.com/?styleId=16340
That helps to point out the similarities - look out for the clusters of little
footways.
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Can someone within the OSMF (and with a bit of free time) get in touch with
Nike and have a chat about the issue?
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d we prevent some relief teams from using OSM?
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cy aimed at making more
geodata available to the public nor to businesses. Policies on data licensing
are most likely to remain the same.
Hope this clears it up,
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ough. Displaying data layers on top of OSM
maps doesn't trigger the share-alike component of the license, as far as I
know (see the monopoly city streets case). But having that data will be
awesome :-)
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please write the "dev" list (see http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Mailing_lists )
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revent people from using them.
(YMMV, IANAL, you know the drill)
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protection for a dump of a
> database. As long as the database is updated, the protection period will be
> continously renewed.
Planet dumps which are 15 years old will be considered out-of-copyright,
though.
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El Miércoles, 9 de Septiembre de 2009, Ed Avis escribió:
> Even if that is true, they are not distributing their database to anyone
> else.
They are ... to the players, in the form of lists of streets owned by one
player and whatnot.
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El Miércoles, 9 de Septiembre de 2009, Stefan Baebler escribió:
[...]
> Yes, and then we will unleash our team of high profile lawyers [...]
You mean IF we can snatch them out of the pub. ;-)
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eggs in big G's data. And I want that list of
(possible) easter eggs.
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think that their DB is a derivative work of the OSM data and that
share-alike should apply.
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ntact email for
the monopoly city streets game (that I can see yet).
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map and plot some points (or stuff) on
top, or move the map on some event, or something like that. In that case,
just attribute Marble and OSM and you're fine.
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Another good night not to sleep in a eucalyptus tree.
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> OSM are provided when OSM based Tiles and POIs are presented and used
> inside my app ??
Yes, perfectly possible. Look at offmaps for an example.
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you should ask the french IGN about the issue.
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sounds like soup. OSM does dragons.
Hhhhmmm, dragon soup. Sounds tasty.
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odata licensing, including
CC (sadly, no ODbL).
I wonder if some legal-savvy OSM user could attend and return to the list with
some impressions?
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El Jueves, 23 de Abril de 2009, Frederik Ramm escribió:
> Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote:
> > If the extraction needs an automated tool, then it is substantial.
>
> Uh. This means that even the answer to the question "what is the name of
> the street at lat=12.345 lon=45.789&
nse, asserting that facts can not be copyrighted.
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difying, and redistribution?
'Cause that definition is ripped straight from the EU DB directive.
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to "CC-BY-SA OpenStreetMap" or even just "OpenStreetMap"
or "OpenStreetMap.org". Remember that the CC-BY-SA license asks for
attribution "reasonable to the medium".
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) in $EDITOR, and I don't really care if I did a
substantial investment on it or not. All I know is that the main
(protectable) DB will get modified (derived) with my DB (either protectable
or unprotectable, it doesn't matter).
Anyway, learning Potlach should be considered a &qu
t; from many individual databases.
Yep.
Temporary files (or information arranged in memory) in your computer are
considered databases, so I'd go with option 1.
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copyright
> license. It's not feasible.
It has been argued that *individual* pieces of geographical information (and
other factual data) are not copyrightable, while the whole set is indeed
copyrightable. That's what the EU database directive and the ODbL are all
about.
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the first option, people will ventually reverse-engineer the format and
upload custom versions somewhere. With the second option, people will
eventually upload custom versions somewhere, quicker.
I guess it'll be fine either way.
(IANAL, TINLA, etc)
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I think that, as long as your company is contributing data back, the OSM
community will be happy :-D
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Más vale mero aficionado que besugo profesional
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> But I am sure
> That with some careful consideration
> We can achieve an elegant resolution
Aggregating nodes, ways and doodles
and uploading them to a moodle
can be a mess
'cause the license's not less
tangled than the
El Jueves, 9 de Octubre de 2008, Frederik Ramm escribió:
> OSM is not the place to publish poems.
Yeah, drawings with GPS traces are much more appropiate.
:-P
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El Jueves, 9 de Octubre de 2008, Frederik Ramm escribió:
> Hi,
>
> Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote:
> >> *or* provide documentation that
> >> explains how you created the database using publicly available tools
> >> from publicly available sources.
> >
>
ot; is
not OK.
(Note to self: stop reading slashdot that often)
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El Miércoles, 8 de Octubre de 2008, Frederik Ramm escribió:
> Hi,
>
> Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote:
> > There is no explicit need for giving out database dumps (though giving
> > out DB dumps complies with the license too).
>
> What about printouts ,-)?
The database direct
t requires the licensed party to keep the
license intact **if** it distributes the data.
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shapefiles/GML/KML/whatever, *or* allow you to access the data via an
API or otherwise.
(This is my personal take on the license drafts, IANAL, TINLA, yadda yadda
yadda)
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"Database". The
legalese definition of a DB is *much* broader.
(You might want to consult a lawyer for further details, IANAL, TINLA, etc etc
etc)
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y the term "integrated experience", as it has no clear
definition. Let's see if the peer reviews of the ODbL drafts clarify those
words.
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El Sábado, 27 de Septiembre de 2008, Frederik Ramm escribió:
> Hi,
>
> Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote:
> > putting several
> > layers together is not considered a derivative work but a collaborative
> > work,
>
> "collective&qu
ve any written references - just spoken references
from people from the IGN (Spain's equivalent to UK's Ordnance Survey)
I'll be trying to start a legal battle to sort this out, though.
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if you're a paid developer, your software simply doesn't belong to you.
You're lucky you could give away your stuff. Now I just can't, even if I
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on top of GPS traces) is currently considered an
intellectual work, so you have IP rights over it. At least in Spanish
jurisdiction.
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nable way. There is absolutely no problem if you don't acknowledge
everyone.
> - You don't share-alike the whole webpage your map is embedded in, or the
> book in which the map exists.
Again, derivative work vs. collective work. No problems here either.
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works, and OSM will eventually adopt it for the vector data, AFAIK. It means
that you might have to re-license the supplemental data under a license
compatible with the details of the ODbL, which may not be a CC-by-sa.
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, again,
B doesn't have to share the data with the public.
This is the general idea of copyleft licenses - different licenses will have
different details to sort out.
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public way has no
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half being before the scream when it was fairly balmy and calm and
pleasant, the second hal
;t reverse-engineer the OSM data.
Maybe I have a position a bit too liberal on the issue - I don't really care
what's done with rendered OSM data; I only care about OSM un-rendered data.
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is does not require the Collective Work apart from the Work
itself to be made subject to the terms of this License.". So, no problem.
(As long as the OSM data is attributed to OSM, the license is mentioned, yadda
yadda yadda)
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o worry.
Anyway, please keep the datasets in your device separate. Allow users to get
the OSM data *back* from the device, as they're entitled to. Allowing to turn
datasets on/off, and updating individual datasets is also a good idea.
And, most importantly, do not rely solely on m
the page.
Short answer: no. Long answer: please ask the borough council about copyright
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ews even if the data is for non-commercial
uses. Take that, NMA's with restrictive licesing! :-P
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Allowing every user to specify some license details through his/her user
page (much like the "make all my edits public" option), then hack the
rails code to show that data in /attribution on the main site, sounds like
a sane option.
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Un o
etc
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ing to do, of course, is to keep the attribution intact.
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In certain jurisdictions, just converting the data to another format is
a modification. Do the math.
(Disclaimer: IANAL, I'm not an expert on canadian law.)
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back to the corresponding view on osm.org.
Maybe I'm just oversimplyflying here, but...
Why not just create a wiki page for "important data donations" including those
disclaimers?
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eal estate agent, or taxi driver?).
The mapping company won't let me play with their toys; and the fastest way to
build a new toy for me is to (try to) enforce share-alike.
(I'm starting to get the "it's GPL-vs-BSD all over again" feeling)
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but it looks like a win-win scenario to me...
In other words, it is not in the best interest of BadCompany™ to prove that
the OSM data is void of any kind of copyright/DB protection.
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¿Tu procesador gotea?
thout breaking the contract)
(Disclaimer: IANAL, this e-mail is biased)
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arge enough quantity of PD data, you get either
DB protection or copyright protection (depending on your jurisdiction).
That's what the ODL addresses, and that's how we can keep the share-alike
component.
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would be good to have OSM data in debian and similar without problem.
IMHO:
- CC deals with licenses for art.
- Debian deals with licenses for software.
- Geographical information is neither art or software.
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Un ord
]http://creativecommons.org/licenses/publicdomain/
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ng "A DB is a collection of data, metodically arranged". Which
covers the files on your nav system.
(Again, to avoid problems, I suggest that the license clarifies "Database".)
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> answer a small number of requests to millions of individuals.
And what? That doesn't automatically give you a grant.
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