Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Contact Info For Tom Hughes Regarding Public Domain Mailing List

2008-10-25 Thread SteveC
On 25 Oct 2008, at 11:56, Frederik Ramm wrote: What I don't like about share-alike is the small-minded attempt to codify this giving away into something legally binding. To me, this is deeply based in a negativist, paranoid world view where everyone is out to cheat you. ... which is

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Contact Info For Tom Hughes Regarding Public Domain Mailing List

2008-10-25 Thread Joseph Gentle
There is talk underway to do so. However, many of us feel that splitting the user base and splitting contributions would be destructive. We could produce better maps if we cooperated. Don't you agree? -J On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 11:47 AM, SteveC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I ever start a open

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Contact Info For Tom Hughes Regarding Public Domain Mailing List

2008-10-22 Thread Frederik Ramm
Steve, SteveC wrote: Guys OSM isn't going PD... Who can say? OSM goes where the community wants it to. You were present at SOTM 07; do you remember the show of hands when people were asked what they think about PD? That the Foundation is investigating share-alike licenses and not PD is due

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Contact Info For Tom Hughes Regarding Public Domain Mailing List

2008-10-22 Thread bvh
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 12:02:26PM -0700, Sunburned Surveyor wrote: From what I understand, under the new license, any dataset that we build in-house based on the geometry or tags of data in the transportation layer, which we choose to release to our client or other parties, would have to be

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Contact Info For Tom Hughes Regarding Public Domain Mailing List

2008-10-22 Thread Simon Ward
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 08:43:17AM +0200, bvh wrote: That is not true. As long as you base your work solely on your own data, you are free to do with it as you seek. Even after having uploaded it under the proposed license. (Not taking into account how the licence sees it at all.) Not really,

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Contact Info For Tom Hughes Regarding Public Domain Mailing List

2008-10-22 Thread Simon Ward
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 07:36:08AM -0700, Sunburned Surveyor wrote: Richard wrote: One thing I really love about OSM is the pragmatic, un-political approach: You don't give us your data, fine, then we create our own and you can shove it. (I don’t see Richard’s original email, so I’ll reply

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Contact Info For Tom Hughes Regarding Public Domain Mailing List

2008-10-21 Thread Sunburned Surveyor
What about a yahoo discussin group for OSM-PD? Would anyone object to that? Landon On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 8:02 AM, Tom Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sunburned Surveyor wrote: Does anyone have the e-mail address for Tom Hughes so I could request the creation of a public domain mailing list

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Contact Info For Tom Hughes Regarding Public Domain Mailing List

2008-10-21 Thread Simon Ward
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 08:19:50PM +0100, Brian Quinion wrote: Personally I'd be very happy to see the discussion of PD continue on the talk list but a mailing list seems a very minor resource compared to the time and effort that have gone into the creating the new license. I see the PD route

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Contact Info For Tom Hughes Regarding Public Domain Mailing List

2008-10-21 Thread Joseph Gentle
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 10:55 AM, Simon Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 08:19:50PM +0100, Brian Quinion wrote: Personally I'd be very happy to see the discussion of PD continue on the talk list but a mailing list seems a very minor resource compared to the time and effort

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Contact Info For Tom Hughes Regarding Public Domain Mailing List

2008-10-21 Thread Simon Ward
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 11:17:35AM +1100, Joseph Gentle wrote: I intended to have an overlay on my map which showed bus stops. This data would be collected from the local bus company. Under the old license, I couldn't use OSM because I couldn't share the overlay. It might not have been a

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Contact Info For Tom Hughes Regarding Public Domain Mailing List

2008-10-21 Thread Joseph Gentle
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 11:40 AM, Ian Sergeant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why can't we just be happen to produce maps and data people will want to use? Ian. We already produce maps and data people want to use. I also want the maps and data to be under a license which lets them be used. (More.)

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Contact Info For Tom Hughes Regarding Public Domain Mailing List

2008-10-21 Thread 80n
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 1:44 AM, Frederik Ramm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, 80n wrote: IMHO, PD weakens OSM and weakens its ability to free up other datasets. I don't see the ability to free up other datasets as central to OSM, and as such, weakening this ability does not IMHO weaken OSM.