Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Exception in Open DataLicense/Community Guidelines for temporary file

2011-07-01 Thread Jonathan Harley
On 30/06/11 11:55, David Groom wrote: - Original Message - From: Richard Fairhurst Jonathan Harley wrote: Really I'm at a loss to see the point of the share-alike clause (4.4). I can't think of a use-case for OSM where processing the database doesn't reduce the amount of information.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Exception in Open DataLicense/Community Guidelines for temporary file

2011-07-01 Thread Rob Myers
On 01/07/11 09:43, Tobias Knerr wrote: The only motivation for data SA I can somewhat understand is to open up data that can be contributed back to OSM. Sharealike is meant to guarantee that the individual users of the produced work have the same freedom to work with the data as the person

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Exception in Open DataLicense/Community Guidelines for temporary file

2011-07-01 Thread Rob Myers
On 01/07/11 10:51, Jonathan Harley wrote: I think anyone who thought ODbL satisfies this case would be being naive. It's so easy to dodge really giving anything back in many different ways, including (off the top of my head): combining OSM with additional contents in the form of already

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Exception in Open DataLicense/Community Guidelines for temporary file

2011-07-01 Thread David Groom
- Original Message - From: Jonathan Harley j...@spiffymap.net To: Licensing and other legal discussions. legal-talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Exception in Open DataLicense/Community Guidelines for temporary file On 30/06/11

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Exception in Open DataLicense/Community Guidelines for temporary file

2011-07-01 Thread Tobias Knerr
Rob Myers wrote: On 01/07/11 09:43, Tobias Knerr wrote: The only motivation for data SA I can somewhat understand is to open up data that can be contributed back to OSM. Sharealike is meant to guarantee that the individual users of the produced work have the same freedom to work with the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Exception in Open DataLicense/Community Guidelines for temporary file

2011-07-01 Thread jynus
2011/7/1 Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de: Most of these concerns could be alleviated by dual-licensing under both ODbL and CC-BY-SA. I'm not fond of the ODbL and would be happy with a CT + CC-BY-SA solution (it could achieve most of the declared aims of CT + ODbL and avoid most of the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Exception in Open DataLicense/Community Guidelines for temporary file

2011-07-01 Thread Tobias Knerr
jynus wrote: Dual licensing has a really big problem for the project: 1) We release the data under CC OR ODbL 2) A third party uses data under only one of the licenses 3) Even if they are both ShareAlike, the transformations made by third party cannot be returned to OSM, as they are

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Exception in Open DataLicense/Community Guidelines for temporary file

2011-06-30 Thread David Groom
- Original Message - From: Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net To: legal-talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 10:53 AM Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Exception in Open DataLicense/Community Guidelines for temporary file Jonathan Harley wrote: Really I'm