Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Feedback requested ... OSM Poland data

2012-03-10 Thread LM_1
Verfication would be a process of comparing my own data (lets's call them A) with osm, likely using some automated precess, that would output a set of locations or areas where the maps differ more than a given threshold (dataset B). Legally you now have three datasets A, OSM and a derivative work

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Feedback requested ... OSM Poland data

2012-03-09 Thread Erik Johansson
On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 05:43, Kai Krueger kakrue...@gmail.com wrote: jaakkoh wrote Umh. Of course other (as in any) maps can be used for _some_ level of verification (such as: oh, there seems to b a rd here! I should go out and survey that!) -- Or should I rather say navigation to help in

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Feedback requested ... OSM Poland data

2012-03-09 Thread Ian Sergeant
If we need a change to the licence wording to allow Poland to keep their data, lets put a few words a the end of the licence to allow Poland to do just that, and put it to vote as required in the contributor terms. Didn't we adopt the contributor terms just so we have just this flexibility? I

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Feedback requested ... OSM Poland data

2012-03-09 Thread Ed Avis
Kai Krueger kakrueger@... writes: We are using CC-BY-SA data to verify where we need to re-survey to create an ODbL database. There are even a whole bunch of great tools that make this as easy and systematic as possible. So I presume that form of verification is legal and is not covered by the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Feedback requested ... OSM Poland data

2012-03-09 Thread Nick Whitelegg
Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Feedback requested ... OSM Poland data That's a big presumption.  I would have expected that remapping would be done as a strictly 'clean room' operation, without looking at the existing CC-BY-SA data at all, but that doesn't seem to be happening. Isn't not looking

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Feedback requested ... OSM Poland data

2012-03-09 Thread LM_1
Why not make this rule general (outside Poland) any data published under free and open licence (whatever it is) can be verified by OSM data. This brings no risk, that anyony big and evil (whatever that is) will use it to overrun OSM... LM_1 2012/3/9 Ian Sergeant inas66+...@gmail.com: Indeed.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Feedback requested ... OSM Poland data

2012-03-08 Thread Ed Avis
Richard Fairhurst richard@... writes: If we were to say we don't think verifying data creates a derived work, would the great mass of OSM mappers be content to see Google (for example) use our effort to determine where new streets are; send the StreetView cars/satellites out; and have the new

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Feedback requested ... OSM Poland data

2012-03-08 Thread Jaakko Helleranta.com
@openstreetmap.org Reply-To: Licensing and other legal discussions. legal-talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Feedback requested ... OSM Poland data Richard Fairhurst richard@... writes: If we were to say we don't think verifying data creates a derived work, would the great mass

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Feedback requested ... OSM Poland data

2012-03-08 Thread Kai Krueger
this would lead to UMP accepting to allow to keep their data, that would be a major win for all! Kai -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/OSM-legal-talk-Feedback-requested-OSM-Poland-data-tp5540425p5549631.html Sent from the Legal Talk mailing list archive at Nabble.com

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Feedback requested ... OSM Poland data

2012-03-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 6. März 2012 17:52 schrieb Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: On 03/06/2012 02:36 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: Personally, I don't think that *verifying* their data against OSM data (in the sense of flagging potential problems, as long as they don't copy our data outright) would be a valid use

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Feedback requested ... OSM Poland data

2012-03-07 Thread Erik Johansson
On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 10:55, Michael Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz wrote: - as an OSM community member, are you happy for the OSMF to make such a statement? I think OSMF should give UMP concession to use OSM data in their maps of Poland with their current license, like this: The OSMF acknowledges

[OSM-legal-talk] Feedback requested ... OSM Poland data

2012-03-06 Thread Michael Collinson
I am trying to find a solution that will allow the UMP project in Poland to continue using OSM data and therefore reciprocally allow OSM to keep a large amount of data that went into making the initial road map of Poland and which is still there. The UMP project collects road routes within

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Feedback requested ... OSM Poland data

2012-03-06 Thread Ed Avis
Legally there's no downside for granting extra permissions. They are additive on top of whatever licence is used and don't damage anyone else's use of the data. However, it is not in the spirit of the community terms for OSMF to grant exemptions or extra permissions - particularly not if they

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Feedback requested ... OSM Poland data

2012-03-06 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 03/06/12 10:55, Michael Collinson wrote: The OSMF acknowledges the kind help of UMP project and its members in creating the OSM map of Poland. The OSMF acknowledges that the UMP project is similar in spirit; providing geodata that is free and open. Provided that UMP continues to publish

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Feedback requested ... OSM Poland data

2012-03-06 Thread Ed Avis
Is there a way to provide what UMP want by making a Produced Work (which could be public domain or CC) rather than a Derived Database? -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Feedback requested ... OSM Poland data

2012-03-06 Thread Richard Fairhurst
. :( cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/OSM-legal-talk-Feedback-requested-OSM-Poland-data-tp5540425p5541176.html Sent from the Legal Talk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ legal-talk mailing list