Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSM for training ML machines

2019-04-10 Thread Tom Lee via legal-talk
I'll defer to others on the finer points of how downstream or intermediate ML products fit into the licensing picture, but this did catch my eye: > If you need an example: Take a translator for geographic names trained > using OSM data. This translator in practical use will spit out names > or

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSM for training ML machines

2019-04-10 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Wednesday 10 April 2019, althio wrote: > > You may have skipped parts of my message, so excuse me if I repeat a > few lines. You quoted only two sentences and I slightly wonder if you > genuinely read the whole. I am sorry if i left the impression that i was specifically criticizing your ideas

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSM for training ML machines

2019-04-10 Thread althio
Christoph, You may have skipped parts of my message, so excuse me if I repeat a few lines. You quoted only two sentences and I slightly wonder if you genuinely read the whole. If I misread your critique, please help me and maybe quote the exact and detailed part where you disagree, not the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSM for training ML machines

2019-04-10 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Wednesday 10 April 2019, althio wrote: > > A typical "learned" model, based on a ML algorithm and a substantial > extract of OSM data: > That seems like a Produced Work to me. > > Hence... > [...] Maybe i have not been clear enough with my comment - approaching this matter based on gut feeling

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSM for training ML machines

2019-04-10 Thread althio
I will add my 2 cents in the same pot as Kathleen. A typical "learned" model, based on a ML algorithm and a substantial extract of OSM data: That seems like a Produced Work to me. Hence... - licence for the training inputs (underlying database, data structures built before learning): release

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSM for training ML machines

2019-04-09 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Tuesday 09 April 2019, Frederik Ramm wrote: > > is it a community consensus that, when someone uses OSM to train > their machine learning "black box", the internal data structures > built during learning constitute a derivative database? Or are there > people who argue that somehow the "black

[OSM-legal-talk] OSM for training ML machines

2019-04-09 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, is it a community consensus that, when someone uses OSM to train their machine learning "black box", the internal data structures built during learning constitute a derivative database? Or are there people who argue that somehow the "black box" can ingest OSM data at will and still remain