Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Proposal for a revision of JA:Available Data

2019-07-09 Thread tomoya muramoto
> what’s the difference in reading a printed sign on the street and a shops website stating the opening hours for our purpose? For me, "a printed sign on the street" is on-the-ground information, and "a shops website" is not on-the-ground information. muramoto

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Proposal for a revision of JA:Available Data

2019-07-05 Thread Tom Hummel via legal-talk
> I am quite ignorant about the EU directive and it is beyond my ability to > understand what is stated in it. The problem is, I don’t have the slightest idea how this all plays out in Japan. The only thing I would imagine is that there are some similiar protection laws because Japan signed the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Proposal for a revision of JA:Available Data

2019-07-05 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
5 Jul 2019, 16:21 by yumean1...@gmail.com: > Both of you are saying that factual data such as opening_hours, phone numbers > or addresses require no investiment  > and thus they are not protected by the database rights. Am I right? > it seems to me that (I am no a lawyer etc) that it depends:

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Proposal for a revision of JA:Available Data

2019-07-05 Thread 石野貴之
Thank you, Mateusz and Tom. I am quite ignorant about the EU directive and it is beyond my ability to understand what is stated in it. However, there is one thing I could barely find in your messages. Both of you are saying that factual data such as opening_hours, phone numbers or addresses

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Proposal for a revision of JA:Available Data

2019-07-05 Thread Tom Hummel via legal-talk
> because it would be unfair if websites of small business are allowed > and those of large comanies are not. I don’t seem to be able to follow the problem here, hope you can help me: how can a collection of opening hours be a protectable database under directive 96/9/EG (speaking for the EU)? >

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Proposal for a revision of JA:Available Data

2019-07-05 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
5 Jul 2019, 11:39 by yumean1...@gmail.com: > because it would be unfair if websites of small business are allowed and > those of large comanies are not.  > I am guessing that it is also OK for large companies - but this is based on common sense that often fails for copyright. Though I

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Proposal for a revision of JA:Available Data

2019-07-05 Thread 石野貴之
Thank you for the responce. To Joseph: > Survey would still be needed, because website information can be wrong > or out-of-date. Even if website data is allowed, in-person survey is > the "gold standard", best practice. I totally agree. Mapping without survey is regarded as an "import" and

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Proposal for a revision of JA:Available Data

2019-07-05 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
5 Jul 2019, 05:22 by yumean1...@gmail.com: > The main point at issue is whether we are allowed to use official websites > that provide primary information or not. > Some of us think that we can use data from official websites unless it is > prohibited by their term of service. > I am not a

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Proposal for a revision of JA:Available Data

2019-07-04 Thread 石野貴之
The previous mail was cross-posted on talk, talk-ja and legal-talk. However, I was given an advice to avoid cross-posting and aggregate the discussion on legal-talk. Please remove talk and talk-ja from the mail adress when you post your opinion. I'm really sorry for the inconvenience. Thank you!

[OSM-legal-talk] Proposal for a revision of JA:Available Data

2019-07-04 Thread 石野貴之
Hello, everyone. I'm from Okayama, Japan. "What kind of data can be used in OpenStreetMap?" Our community has put together common understandings about the issue on the following page. (written in Japanese) https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JA:Available_Data Recently, Tomoya Muramoto