Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at theBing TermsofUse?

2010-12-23 Thread Andrew Harvey
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 12:56 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, On 12/21/10 11:51, Andrew Harvey wrote: I am having this conversation because I contribute to OSM on the basis that the database will be licensed CC BY-SA and will not be filled with data which conflicts with

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at theBing TermsofUse?

2010-12-23 Thread Frederik Ramm
Steve, On 12/23/10 01:57, Steve Bennett wrote: That's another area wide open to discussion; my interpretation of I consider my contributions PD has always been: I don't claim any rights in what I contribute. - not: I vouch for nobody holding any rights in what I contribute. (The latter position

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at theBing TermsofUse?

2010-12-23 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 2:18 AM, Andreas Perstinger andreas.perstin...@gmx.net wrote: On 2010-12-23 04:14, Anthony wrote: I guess...  Isn't Bing supposed to be coming out with a more clear license?  This would be one point for them to clarify. Good point. I think the discussion here on the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at theBing TermsofUse?

2010-12-23 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 8:10 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: I usually put a note=created from relation xyz or so on the new object, so Ah, cool. Maybe it's worth using a standard tag for this, as suggested in another thread. Like created_from=xxx Steve

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at theBing TermsofUse?

2010-12-22 Thread Anthony
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 2:17 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: I believe you could also do other things with traced data but that would then be subject to the normal license, not the special license they granted to OpenStreetMap. And how do believe they achieve that? Through

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at theBing TermsofUse?

2010-12-22 Thread Andreas Perstinger
On 2010-12-22 01:24, Anthony wrote: On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Frederik Rammfrede...@remote.org wrote: This rule means that everything that is traced from Bing before OSM stops publishing under CC-BY-SA will be available to the world, forever, under CC-BY-SA. But a hypothetical CC-BY-SA

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at theBing TermsofUse?

2010-12-22 Thread Ian Sergeant
frede...@remote.org wrote: I am sure that Microsoft has allowed data to be traced for OSM; I don't believe it is their intent to allow tracing of data for other purposes So, the question is, when MegaMap adopt OSM maps, which are generated from Bing traces, what will Microsoft think then? Do

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at theBing TermsofUse?

2010-12-22 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Ian Sergeant wrote: So, the question is, when MegaMap adopt OSM maps, which are generated from Bing traces, what will Microsoft think then? Do they really understand what allowing contributions to OSM means? This leads us to the terrain of who determines what megacorps think or

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at theBing TermsofUse?

2010-12-22 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: That's another area wide open to discussion; my interpretation of I consider my contributions PD has always been: I don't claim any rights in what I contribute. - not: I vouch for nobody holding any rights in what I

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at theBing TermsofUse?

2010-12-22 Thread Anthony
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Andreas Perstinger andreas.perstin...@gmx.net wrote: On 2010-12-22 01:24, Anthony wrote: On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Frederik Rammfrede...@remote.org  wrote: This rule means that everything that is traced from Bing before OSM stops publishing under

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at theBing TermsofUse?

2010-12-22 Thread Andreas Perstinger
On 2010-12-23 04:14, Anthony wrote: I guess... Isn't Bing supposed to be coming out with a more clear license? This would be one point for them to clarify. Good point. I think the discussion here on the mail list is not leading to a clear license because we all are just interpreting and

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at theBing TermsofUse?

2010-12-21 Thread Andrew Harvey
On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: David ( some others), David Groom wrote: I've repeatedly asked where is the explicit permission to use Bing Imagery to create derived works, all the only answer is we have it. As I've said before if its there please

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at theBing TermsofUse?

2010-12-21 Thread Rob Myers
On 21/12/10 10:51, Andrew Harvey wrote: I am having this conversation because I contribute to OSM on the basis that the database will be licensed CC BY-SA and will not be filled with data which conflicts with that license. If tracings from Bing imagery cannot be distributed under this license,

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at theBing TermsofUse?

2010-12-21 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Andrew Harvey wrote: We need to find a norm as a community so we don't have this conflict. We do have a norm as a community. 99% of people are tracing from Bing imagery and you're not. Richard -- View this message in context:

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at theBing TermsofUse?

2010-12-21 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 12/21/10 11:51, Andrew Harvey wrote: I am having this conversation because I contribute to OSM on the basis that the database will be licensed CC BY-SA and will not be filled with data which conflicts with that license. If tracings from Bing imagery cannot be distributed under this

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at theBing TermsofUse?

2010-12-21 Thread Frederik Ramm
Phillip, On 12/21/10 16:43, Barnett, Phillip wrote: So people who have not (yet) accepted the CTs can't use Bing? Is that really the case? I think Rob was slightly wrong when he said: We do not have permission from Bing to licence the data differently anywhere else. And contributions to

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at theBing TermsofUse?

2010-12-21 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: This rule means that everything that is traced from Bing before OSM stops publishing under CC-BY-SA will be available to the world, forever, under CC-BY-SA. But a hypothetical CC-BY-SA fork would not be allowed to accept

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at theBing TermsofUse?

2010-12-21 Thread Frederik Ramm
Anthony, Anthony wrote: On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: This rule means that everything that is traced from Bing before OSM stops publishing under CC-BY-SA will be available to the world, forever, under CC-BY-SA. But a hypothetical CC-BY-SA fork would

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at theBing TermsofUse?

2010-12-20 Thread David Groom
- Original Message - From: Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org To: Licensing and other legal discussions. legal-talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 12:34 AM Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at theBing TermsofUse? David ( some others