Re: [OSM-legal-talk] I want my access back

2011-08-11 Thread andrzej zaborowski
On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 05:07:15PM +0200, Robert Kaiser wrote: If all your contributions can be considered CC0/PD, then you grant all right to everybody who wants to use the data, so your statements are definitely in conflict with themselves. Nobody in our friendly OSM community can help your

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] I want my access back

2011-08-11 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
The discussion is not about comparing to google or Wikimapia CT. It's not because one is bad the other should be bad alike. is about not trusting (and thus assuring by a CT) your OSM contributors, and about not trusting the users (by using a unnecessary restrictive license compared to PD) that

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] I want my access back

2011-08-11 Thread Simon Poole
Am 11.08.2011 09:38, schrieb ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen: ... It's the necessity of a license that has never been discussed about. The need for a license has always been granted, and the discussion only is about what license. A license is necessary because we legally need to

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] I want my access back

2011-08-11 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
Thanks Simon for your constructive reply. (contrary to those that call any confliction opinion a troll) But the EC directive does not oblige us to license data, it says HOW-TO in case of IF. If we choose for no-license or just PD (give it to the world) no directive will stop us doing that. That

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] I want my access back

2011-08-11 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
So by citing my e-mail without a license, you made an infraction to my copyright,as you are actually republishing copyrighted work May be we should consider your email (and this one too), as a derived work ? And I can sue you because, contrary to maps in dbase format that represent the real

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] I want my access back

2011-08-11 Thread Robert Kaiser
ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen schrieb: So by citing my e-mail without a license, you made an infraction to my copyright,as you are actually republishing copyrighted work No, only if it wasn't properly cited, as (AFAIK) most IP laws require you to point out who is the author

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] I want my access back

2011-08-11 Thread Rob Myers
On 11/08/11 16:20, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen wrote: I see no difference in re-publishing text, as in our email lists and the database, properly citing Google as source. You are correct. Both are breaches of copyright where it applies. There are two important differences

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] I want my access back

2011-08-11 Thread Robert Kaiser
Ed Avis schrieb: The CC-BY-SA licence does seem to be a lot more straightforward than the ODbL/DbCL combination. As I understand it, that's because any current CC-BY-SA license does not really cover databases as described by database laws in some jurisdictions, and neither collections of