Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OS Opendata the new license

2010-09-17 Thread Dave F.
On 17/09/2010 00:18, Grant Slater wrote: On 16 September 2010 21:26, 80n80n...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Grant Slateropenstreet...@firefishy.com wrote: This clashes with the legal advice giving to the Licensing Working Group in that OS OpenData's license _is_

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OS Opendata the new license

2010-09-17 Thread Grant Slater
On 17 September 2010 11:26, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: With this response b) was seen as compatible. Under a) it was advised there is an issue of sub-licensing. Asking source author for permission to contribute under CT was an option; as was to keep distributing said specific data

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OS Opendata the new license

2010-09-17 Thread David Groom
- Original Message - From: Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org To: legal-talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 11:25 AM Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OS Opendata the new license On 09/17/2010 01:12 AM, 80n wrote: That's a bit of a jump isn't it? Firstly, the CTs allow

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OS Opendata the new license

2010-09-17 Thread Robert Whittaker (OSM)
Francis Davey fjm...@gmail.com wrote: On 17 September 2010 13:22, David Groom revi...@pacific-rim.net wrote: To clarify: the CT's as the currently stand: http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/Contributor_Terms require (per clause 4) OSMF to attribute on request. There is no mechanism

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OS Opendata the new license

2010-09-17 Thread Rob Myers
On 09/17/2010 02:46 PM, David Groom wrote: In effect you are saying not to worry about the legal requirements in the CT's, but rather to rely upon the idea that in the future OSMF will behave in a certain way. I am assuming that in the future OSMF will read the CTs and pause to think before

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OS Opendata amp; the new license

2010-09-17 Thread Ed Avis
Robert Whittaker (OSM robert.whittaker+...@... writes: The ODbL already doesn't enforce viral attribution on derivatives of produced works, and the free and open description of any new license that may be adopted doesn't obligate any new license to have any attribution requirements. For some

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OS Opendata the new license

2010-09-17 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Robert Whittaker (OSM) wrote: The ODbL already doesn't enforce viral attribution on derivatives of produced works I don't intend to go over the argument on this again, but treat this message as a little stake in the ground with I disagree with the above statement written on it. cheers

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OS Opendata the new license

2010-09-17 Thread David Groom
- Original Message - From: Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org To: legal-talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 5:03 PM Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OS Opendata the new license On 09/17/2010 03:45 PM, David Groom wrote: In what way are you suggesting OSMF would breach

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OS Opendata the new license

2010-09-17 Thread Kai Krueger
Grant Slater wrote: Reply was that on b) explicit permission to sub-license is granted by their license with the conditions that required attribution is given and sub licensees keep said attribution. With this response b) was seen as compatible. Under a) it was advised there is an issue of

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OS Opendata the new license

2010-09-17 Thread Dave F.
On 17/09/2010 21:42, John Smith wrote: On 18 September 2010 06:36, Dave F.dave...@madasafish.com wrote: *Not* as you think/assume/guess they might be in the future. That's the problem, the CTs aren't specific enough to deal with future changes, and this is one of the outstanding issues that

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OS Opendata the new license

2010-09-17 Thread John Smith
On 18 September 2010 07:15, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: 2) My question was about how the new license/CT is worded *now* not in the assumptive future. The problem is the CTs allow the potential for relicensing with a fairly low barrier, but they don't address what happens with existing