Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Exception in Open Data License/Community Guidelines for temporary file

2011-06-29 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 06/29/11 05:21, James Livingston wrote: I don't think it would be treated differently, because I believe that an in-memory data structure would still be a database (in the ODbL and database right sense of database). I don't see how the storage mechanism makes a difference. Would you

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Exception in Open Data License/Community Guidelines for temporary file

2011-06-29 Thread James Livingston
On 29/06/2011, at 4:25 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: On 06/29/11 05:21, James Livingston wrote: I don't think it would be treated differently, because I believe that an in-memory data structure would still be a database (in the ODbL and database right sense of database). I don't see how the storage

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Multiple license declaration

2011-06-29 Thread TimSC
I moved the multiple licensing site out of beta. You cannot not revoke licenses once they are accepted. I hope it will be useful. http://timsc.dev.openstreetmap.org/extralicenses/ Tim ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CTs are not full copyright assignment

2011-06-29 Thread Olaf Schmidt-Wischhöfer
Hi Tom, Sure they won't be able to edit now until they accept, but we consider that a reasonable step to try and move forward with the licensing process. OK, then let me rephrase my concern using your language: „The CT make the voting right dependent upon being able to edit. This gives the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CTs are not full copyright assignment

2011-06-29 Thread Tom Hughes
On 29/06/11 15:59, Olaf Schmidt-Wischhöfer wrote: Hi Tom, Asking us to block everybody for six months so a vote could be rigged would clearly be unreasonable and would be ignored. Where do I find the sysadmin policy for evaluating whether a blocking request is considered „unreasonable“?

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CTs are not full copyright assignment

2011-06-29 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Olaf Schmidt-Wischhöfer wrote: I once made a constructive proposal for one potential way to fix the problem, which was met both with well-grounded criticism and with personal attacks. Care to point out the latter? If I were to say that I'm beginning to think you must have a very skewed

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Exception in Open Data License/Community Guidelines for temporary file

2011-06-29 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, James Livingston wrote: If I use software that builds an in-memory data structure which you believe to be a database in order to make a produced work, how would you suggest that I fulfil my obligation to make such derived database available on request? I have absolutely no idea. It's one

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Exception in Open Data License/Community Guidelines for temporary file

2011-06-29 Thread Thomas
If I use software that builds an in-memory data structure which you believe to be a database in order to make a produced work, how would you suggest that I fulfil my obligation to make such derived database available on request? I have absolutely no idea. It's one of the many things I

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CTs are not full copyright assignment

2011-06-29 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
What's wrong with asking everyone AGAIN ? If something is wrong, then it cannot be difficult to correct. If a youg organization as OSM is not flexible, who the hell on earth IS ? Or even better, let the community choose what CT/LICENSE is best. Email is free, and a voting webtool is available

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Exception in Open Data License/Community Guidelines for temporary file

2011-06-29 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Kai Krueger wrote: If, on the other hand, out of the black box comes a derived database, then you can simply share *that* database and nobody cares what happened in the black box, because you only have to share the last in a chain of derived databases that leads to a produced work, right?

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CTs are not full copyright assignment

2011-06-29 Thread Kai Krueger
Tom Hughes-3 wrote: If you have a better way of defining active contributor that is workable then please tell us what it is. One could have given voting rights to all people who have once reached active contributor status and retain sufficient interest in the project to keep their email

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Exception in Open Data License/Community Guidelines for temporary file

2011-06-29 Thread Tobias Knerr
Kai Krueger wrote: Am I allowed to declare my png mapnik tile as a derived database, stick an ODbL label on it an be done with it? Then I don't have to reverse engineer my render to figure out if or if not it produces an internal database and worry about having to maintaining a snapshot of

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Exception in Open Data License/Community Guidelines for temporary file

2011-06-29 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Frederik Ramm wrote: If, on the other hand, out of the black box comes a derived database, then you can simply share *that* database and nobody cares what happened in the black box, because you only have to share the last in a chain of derived databases that leads to a produced work, right?

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Exception in Open Data License/Community Guidelines for temporary file

2011-06-29 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Richard Fairhurst wrote: The Directive says a database [snip Richard's quote and replace mine from http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX:31996L0009:EN:HTML] Article 1 Scope 1. This Directive concerns the legal protection of databases in any form. 2. For the