Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Refusing CT but declaring contributions as PD

2011-08-24 Thread James Livingston
On 25 August 2011 02:00, andrzej zaborowski wrote: > This is a different topic but last I heard the CT don't assure > everything you upload is ODbL compatible, but rather than "your > contribution" is compatible with all the licenses that may be chosen > by OSMF -- and that everything you uploade

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Refusing CT but declaring contributions as PD

2011-08-24 Thread SteveC
On 8/24/2011 8:56 AM, Simon Poole wrote: But probably the buck would stop with the OSMF. Distributing data just because somebody on the web said it was PD has a high likelihood of being considered negligent. You need to search around for "safe harbor provisions". Steve Simon Am 24.08.201

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Refusing CT but declaring contributions as PD

2011-08-24 Thread Simon Poole
Well one solution is very simple: just contribute stuff that you mapped yourself, and hey presto, 99.9% of all problems vanish (including any issues with agreeing to the CTs). Simon Am 24.08.2011 19:34, schrieb ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen: Simon said: >Distributing data j

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Refusing CT but declaring contributions as PD

2011-08-24 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
Simon said: >Distributing data just >because somebody on the web said it was PD has a high likelihood of being >considered negligent. Then distributing data because someone on the web has stated that is was CT/ODBL compliant is even negligent. If you do not provide a set of tool

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Refusing CT but declaring contributions as PD

2011-08-24 Thread Simon Poole
Am 24.08.2011 16:09, schrieb Frederik Ramm: ... One of the PD-but-not-CT-people said something like "I don't want to give any kind of explicit assurance/permission to OSMF". I.e. they don't want a contract with OSMF. But I think that could be remedied by offering them a differently worded de

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Refusing CT but declaring contributions as PD

2011-08-24 Thread Richard Weait
On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 9:52 AM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > There's a curious statement in the LWG minutes for 2nd August > (https://docs.google.com/View?id=dd9g3qjp_1252tt382df). > >> Folks who have declined the new contributor terms but said their >> contributions are public domain. >> >> There

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Refusing CT but declaring contributions as PD

2011-08-24 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 08/24/11 16:03, Simon Poole wrote: I think I've said this before, but any way you look at it, there is a big difference between TimSC and the US Census Bureau. I just can't see how we could use a mappers data without some kind of assurance that the mapper actually has the rights necessary

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Refusing CT but declaring contributions as PD

2011-08-24 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
Signing (clicking) the CT explicitly transfers the liability of the suitability to the contributor, where declaring PD does not. The Board wants us to sign a contract with them. It's not about data but about compliance. Regards, Gert Gremmen, -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Richar

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Refusing CT but declaring contributions as PD

2011-08-24 Thread Simon Poole
I think I've said this before, but any way you look at it, there is a big difference between TimSC and the US Census Bureau. I just can't see how we could use a mappers data without some kind of assurance that the mapper actually has the rights necessary to make their contributions PD or a simila

[OSM-legal-talk] Refusing CT but declaring contributions as PD

2011-08-24 Thread Richard Fairhurst
There's a curious statement in the LWG minutes for 2nd August (https://docs.google.com/View?id=dd9g3qjp_1252tt382df). > Folks who have declined the new contributor terms but said their > contributions are public domain. > > There has been a suggestion that such contributions should be > maintained

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] V1 Object Statistics

2011-08-24 Thread Simon Poole
I've fixed another issue that distorted the overall numbers (the per user stats were correct), regenerated everything with the current full history dump (from June), and added a couple of further countries. Overall, the situation seems to be substantially better than I would have expected, t