Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Phase 4 and what it means

2011-06-06 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/6 Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com: On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 6:12 PM, Stephan Knauss o...@stephans-server.de wrote: On 05.06.2011 02:09, Frederik Ramm wrote: Frederik the great is only interested in remapping  Silesia (Schlesien)

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Phase 4 and what it means

2011-06-06 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Mike Dupont wrote: but seriously, the license team is not concerned about porting the licenses to other jurisdictions, but once you have signed the new contributor terms, they will not ever have to ask you again. This process is about you giving up all your rights, not them doing anything

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Phase 4 and what it means

2011-06-06 Thread Richard Weait
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 9:23 AM, Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl wrote: Why is that 2/3 majority not sought for the current license move? Current respondents are far above 2/3 accepting the new license and contributor terms. ___ legal-talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Phase 4 and what it means

2011-06-06 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Maarten Deen wrote: Well the license team does not *gain* anything from you signing the contributor terms, so what should they do for you in return? The license team is part of OSMF and OSMF does gain a lot in signing the contributor terms. It gains the right to exploit the data in the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Phase 4 and what it means

2011-06-06 Thread Maarten Deen
On Mon, 06 Jun 2011 15:48:54 +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, Maarten Deen wrote: Well the license team does not *gain* anything from you signing the contributor terms, so what should they do for you in return? The license team is part of OSMF and OSMF does gain a lot in signing the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Phase 4 and what it means

2011-06-06 Thread Rob Myers
On 06/06/11 14:52, Maarten Deen wrote: But the current action is: accept or lose the ability to map. That is close to coercion and not a valid base to claim that 2/3's agree to this. It is not anywhere near coercion. OSM is not the state, and you can map wherever else you like. - Rob.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Phase 4 and what it means

2011-06-06 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Maarten Deen wrote: OSMF gains the right do do anything with the data as long as it does not breach copyright etc. Certainly there is a gain there. It gains the right to exploit the data. But can OSMF exploit the data more than anybody else? The contributor terms say Subject to Section

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Phase 4 and what it means

2011-06-06 Thread Kai Krueger
this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/OSM-legal-talk-Phase-4-and-what-it-means-tp6440812p6447563.html Sent from the Legal Talk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Phase 4 and what it means

2011-06-06 Thread Mike Dupont
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 2:37 AM, Kai Krueger kakrue...@gmail.com wrote: It is kind of ironic that people who use the accept the CT question to vote on the transition to ODBL get told that this is not a vote if they think ODBL is the correct licence for OSM but that they should only indicate if

[OSM-legal-talk] Phase 4 and what it means

2011-06-05 Thread Nick Hocking
The problem I have is a bit different. Someone (who has actively declined the CT) has been using nearmap to trace in some roads under construction in the Canberra area. Some of these roads are now complete and open to the public. It would be pointless of me to add information to the nearmapped

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Phase 4 and what it means

2011-06-05 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Nick Hocking wrote: The only way, I see, out of this mess is for me to map a new set of residential roads, using my actual GPS tracks, alongside the nearmapped ones, make then properly routable, and maybe put a layer tag on them (for the moment) to ensure that routers don't confuse the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Phase 4 and what it means

2011-06-05 Thread John Smith
On 5 June 2011 21:40, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, Nick Hocking wrote: The only way, I see, out of this mess is for me to map a new set of residential roads, using my actual GPS tracks, alongside the nearmapped ones, make then properly routable, and maybe put a layer tag on

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Phase 4 and what it means

2011-06-05 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, John Smith wrote: He is yet to back up his claims about people using the data I don't think it makes a difference. If I have one set of data with a questionable copyright situation and no street names, and another set of data with street names surveyed by someone who agrees to the CT,

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Phase 4 and what it means

2011-06-05 Thread John Smith
On 5 June 2011 22:35, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, John Smith wrote: He is yet to back up his claims about people using the data I don't think it makes a difference. If I have one set of data with a questionable copyright situation and no street names, and another set of

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Phase 4 and what it means

2011-06-05 Thread John Smith
On 5 June 2011 22:48, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Where the claim was made has no relevance for my assessment that it does not make a difference. As I said, you tried so hard to word thing to reduce the change of an edit war and now you are cheering some along to do the exact

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Phase 4 and what it means

2011-06-05 Thread SteveC
Sadly I agree. Steve stevecoast.com On Jun 5, 2011, at 4:19, Nick Hocking nick.hock...@gmail.com wrote: The problem I have is a bit different. Someone (who has actively declined the CT) has been using nearmap to trace in some roads under construction in the Canberra area. Some of these

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Phase 4 and what it means

2011-06-05 Thread Stephan Knauss
On 05.06.2011 02:09, Frederik Ramm wrote: means for them. I know for a fact that among the current disagreeing mappers there are some who intend to stay with OSM and who are just holding out until the last minute; and I know there are some who simply wanted to delay their decision until later.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Phase 4 and what it means

2011-06-05 Thread Michael Collinson
that the relicensing process will produce in the data. Kai -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/OSM-legal-talk-Phase-4-and-what-it-means-tp6440812p6441026.html Sent from the Legal Talk mailing list archive at Nabble.com

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Phase 4 and what it means

2011-06-05 Thread Ed Avis
I don't think that edit wars to deliberately change the licence status of bits of map are the way forward - for either side. It's just as unacceptable from the pro-ODbL camp as from the pro-CC camp. However, I can understand that if mappers believe that large amounts of data will be deleted

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Phase 4 and what it means

2011-06-05 Thread Maarten Deen
On 5-6-2011 2:09, Frederik Ramm wrote: Any misunderstanding in this area will lead to friction: mapper A thought he still had time to reconsider; but mapper B goes ahead and deletes/re-maps A's work (possibly with less precision or other things that A doesn't like). A, who intended to stay with

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Phase 4 and what it means

2011-06-05 Thread James Livingston
On 5 June 2011 22:35, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: John Smith wrote: He is yet to back up his claims about people using the data I don't think it makes a difference. If I have one set of data with a questionable copyright situation and no street names, and another set of data

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Phase 4 and what it means

2011-06-05 Thread James Livingston
On 5 June 2011 10:09, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: I know for a fact that among the current disagreeing mappers there are some who intend to stay with OSM and who are just holding out until the last minute; As far as I can tell, doing that is the only way to say I don't like the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Phase 4 and what it means

2011-06-05 Thread Mike Dupont
On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 6:12 PM, Stephan Knauss o...@stephans-server.de wrote: On 05.06.2011 02:09, Frederik Ramm wrote: means for them. I know for a fact that among the current disagreeing mappers there are some who intend to stay with OSM and who are just holding out until the last minute;