Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at the Bing Terms of Use?

2010-12-22 Thread Niklas Cholmkvist
Anthony wrote: On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: This rule means that everything that is traced from Bing before OSM stops publishing under CC-BY-SA will be available to the world, forever, under CC-BY-SA. But a hypothetical CC-BY-SA fork would

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at the Bing Terms of Use?

2010-12-22 Thread Anthony
I certainly didn't read it that way.  The Bing license says you must contribute traced data to openstreetmaps.org, but it doesn't say you can't also contribute traced data to a fork. After it has been contributed to openstreetmap.org, one can get it from openstreetmap.org(dump maybe)

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at the Bing Terms of Use?

2010-12-22 Thread John Smith
On 23 December 2010 00:42, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: This interpretation (or at least, the acceptance of it as something OSM would want to do) is truly evil. I only wonder how widespread it is among OSM contributors. I hope in good faith that it is held by very few. After turning the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at the Bing Terms of Use?

2010-12-22 Thread andrzej zaborowski
On 22 December 2010 15:18, Niklas Cholmkvist towards...@gmail.com wrote: Anthony wrote: On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: This rule means that everything that is traced from Bing before OSM stops publishing under CC-BY-SA will be available to the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at the Bing Terms of Use?

2010-12-19 Thread Frederik Ramm
Dave, Dave F. wrote: I'm just catching up with this thread can't believe what I've just read. You bleat whinge ... thanks ... about people talking legal in other threads yet here, in legal, you admit that your advice to others that's it's OK to trace Bing (under any license) has no

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at the Bing Terms of Use?

2010-12-19 Thread 80n
On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 11:39 AM, Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org wrote: On 19/12/10 10:30, Andrew Harvey wrote: Where is this direct statement from Microsoft that says derived information from aerial imagery delivered through their map api can be licensed under a CT compatible license?

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at the Bing Terms of Use?

2010-12-19 Thread David Groom
For the record 1) I accept that the Microsoft Licence[1] to use Bing imagery is an early version, and we have been told it will be revised 2) I suspect that Microsoft do intend that Bing imagery may be used to update OSM However: - Original Message - From: Rob Myers

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at the Bing Terms of Use?

2010-12-19 Thread 80n
On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 3:29 PM, Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.comwrote: On 19 December 2010 14:40, David Groom revi...@pacific-rim.net wrote: The licence PDF states: Any updates you make to the OpenStreetMap map via the Application (even if not published to third parties) must

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at the Bing Terms of Use?

2010-12-19 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 8:32 AM, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: In other words, this license makes no grants of rights to publish derived works under any particular license, over and above what was already there. That's probably a combination of the fact that Microsoft doesn't own that right in

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at the Bing Terms of Use?

2010-12-19 Thread David Groom
- Original Message - From: Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org To: legal-talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 4:34 PM Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at the Bing Terms of Use? On 12/19/2010 02:40 PM, David Groom wrote: For the record 1) I

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at the Bing Terms of Use?

2010-12-19 Thread Russ Nelson
Dave F. writes: On 06/12/2010 09:55, Frederik Ramm wrote: The situation is sufficient for me to use Bing imagery for tracing. I'm not looking at the legal side of it, I'm just looking at the size of the PR disaster should Microsoft attempt to backtrack in any way. PR is more

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at the Bing Terms of Use?

2010-12-18 Thread Dave F.
On 06/12/2010 09:55, Frederik Ramm wrote: The situation is sufficient for me to use Bing imagery for tracing. I'm not looking at the legal side of it, I'm just looking at the size of the PR disaster should Microsoft attempt to backtrack in any way. PR is more important than legal. I'm

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at the Bing Terms of Use?

2010-12-06 Thread Andrew Harvey
I feel that it is not safe at this point. I have raised my concerns in this thread http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/legal-talk/2010-December/005299.html On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 9:16 PM, Manuel Reimer manuel.s...@nurfuerspam.de wrote: Hello, is it secure to use Bing? Any license risks?

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at the Bing Terms of Use?

2010-12-06 Thread Frederik Ramm
Andrew, Manuel - On 12/06/2010 10:28 AM, Andrew Harvey wrote: I feel that it is not safe at this point. I have raised my concerns in this thread http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/legal-talk/2010-December/005299.html The situation is sufficient for me to use Bing imagery for tracing.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at the Bing Terms of Use?

2010-12-06 Thread Rob Myers
On 12/06/2010 10:18 AM, Andrew Harvey wrote: I suppose I don't mind if a license is technically invalid because of some obscure legal reason, I just think that the intent needs to be there, publicly, officially, and clearly stated on what they are okay with and what they aren't. I don't think

[OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at the Bing Terms of Use?

2010-12-05 Thread Manuel Reimer
Hello, is it secure to use Bing? Any license risks? Could Microsoft, at some day, just force us to remove everything with source=Bing on it? Am I forced to have this source tag there? Should stuff, taken from Bing, be verified via GPS track at some time to get the data secure? One risk,

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at the Bing Terms of Use?

2010-12-05 Thread Renaud MICHEL
Le dimanche 05 décembre 2010 à 11:16, Manuel Reimer a écrit : is it secure to use Bing? Any license risks? Could Microsoft, at some day, just force us to remove everything with source=Bing on it? Am I forced to have this source tag there? Should stuff, taken from Bing, be verified via GPS

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at the Bing Terms of Use?

2010-12-05 Thread Mike Dupont
On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 11:33 AM, Renaud MICHEL r.h.michel+...@gmail.com wrote: Is it OK to use bing imagery when you have accepted the contributors term, How are they connected? please explain. thanks, mike ___ legal-talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at the Bing Terms of Use?

2010-12-05 Thread Manuel Reimer
Renaud MICHEL wrote: Is it OK to use bing imagery when you have accepted the contributors term, as I have explicitly accepted them (version 1.0), and every mapper who registered after March 2010 (correct?) are also contributing under CT 1.0? I also did so and I *want* my contributions to get

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at the Bing Terms of Use?

2010-12-05 Thread Renaud MICHEL
Le dimanche 05 décembre 2010 à 11:49, Mike Dupont a écrit : On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 11:33 AM, Renaud MICHEL r.h.michel+...@gmail.com wrote: Is it OK to use bing imagery when you have accepted the contributors term, How are they connected? please explain. Because of the terms of the CT, I

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at the Bing Terms of Use?

2010-12-05 Thread Mike Dupont
On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 12:13 PM, Renaud MICHEL r.h.michel+...@gmail.com wrote: Le dimanche 05 décembre 2010 à 11:49, Mike Dupont a écrit : On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 11:33 AM, Renaud MICHEL r.h.michel+...@gmail.com wrote: Is it OK to use bing imagery when you have accepted the contributors