Re: [OSM-legal-talk] What extra permissions are needed to include CC-BY data in OSM

2015-05-13 Thread Simon Poole
Am 13.05.2015 um 22:00 schrieb Tom Lee: .. Nope. I was referring to collective databases in the ODbL which are roughly the equivalent of collective works in early versions of CC licenses and only require the OSM derived part to be subject to the ODbL terms. This is the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] What extra permissions are needed to include CC-BY data in OSM

2015-05-13 Thread Tom Lee
Apologies for the delay in my response. Any sucess/feedback? Not from their general inquiry address; I've put another line in via a shared contact. I've been meaning to ask if you could clarify a bit further, and/or correct my understanding of the situation. You wrote: The actual

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] What extra permissions are needed to include CC-BY data in OSM

2015-05-12 Thread Simon Poole
Am 06.05.2015 um 16:42 schrieb Tom Lee: ... I think the vast quantity of CC-BY licenses data is too important a resource to ignore given the slightness of this limitation, but I understand the need for conservatism. One of Creative Commons' US affiliates is located at a law school here in

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] What extra permissions are needed to include CC-BY data in OSM

2015-05-06 Thread Simon Poole
Am 05.05.2015 um 11:27 schrieb Andrew Harvey: ... My question was does CC-BY 4.0 have the same issue? Could CC-BY 4.0 data be included in OSM. ... My, very conservative, reading of CC-BY 4.0 would indicate that it has additional issues over just the attribution problem for databases. CC-BY

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] What extra permissions are needed to include CC-BY data in OSM

2015-05-06 Thread Simon Poole
Just as a clarification, versions of CC-by prior to 4.0 do not have this issue, however do not address the issue of database rights at all. All of the CC-BY licences -do- have the further issue, just as the ODbL, that they do not allow sub-licensing (which I consider a defect), however that

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] What extra permissions are needed to include CC-BY data in OSM

2015-05-06 Thread Jukka Rahkonen
Simon Poole simon@... writes: CC-BY 4.0 contains the following (4.b): if You include all or a substantial portion of the database contents in a database in which You have Sui Generis Database Rights, then the database in which You have Sui Generis Database Rights (but not its individual

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] What extra permissions are needed to include CC-BY data in OSM

2015-05-06 Thread Tom Lee
My, very conservative, reading of CC-BY 4.0 would indicate that it has additional issues over just the attribution problem for databases. CC-BY 4.0 contains the following (4.b): if You include all or a substantial portion of the database contents in a database in which You have Sui Generis

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] What extra permissions are needed to include CC-BY data in OSM

2015-05-06 Thread Simon Poole
Am 06.05.2015 um 16:42 schrieb Tom Lee: .. I think things are getting a little mixed up. The ODbL refers to Derivative Databases and Produced Works but not Derivative Works (well, except one, but I think that line exists because of poor drafting, not a deliberate choice). I *think* you

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] What extra permissions are needed to include CC-BY data in OSM

2015-05-05 Thread Andrew Harvey
Just found http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/GettingPermission it has hints about what extra permissions we require. On 5 May 2015 at 19:27, Andrew Harvey andrew.harv...@gmail.com wrote: I'm bringing up a conversation from talk-au pertaining to what additional permissions we need from

[OSM-legal-talk] What extra permissions are needed to include CC-BY data in OSM

2015-05-05 Thread Andrew Harvey
I'm bringing up a conversation from talk-au pertaining to what additional permissions we need from content owners in order to include or use as a source to derive further information from their CC-BY licensed data in OSM. Any advice is very much appreciated. On 16 April 2015 at 15:26, Paul