Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Proposal for a revision of JA:Available Data

2019-07-09 Thread tomoya muramoto
> what’s the difference in reading a printed sign on the street and a shops website stating the opening hours for our purpose? For me, "a printed sign on the street" is on-the-ground information, and "a shops website" is not on-the-ground information. muramoto

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Proposal for a revision of JA:Available Data

2019-07-05 Thread Tom Hummel via legal-talk
> I am quite ignorant about the EU directive and it is beyond my ability to > understand what is stated in it. The problem is, I don’t have the slightest idea how this all plays out in Japan. The only thing I would imagine is that there are some similiar protection laws because Japan signed the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Proposal for a revision of JA:Available Data

2019-07-05 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
5 Jul 2019, 16:21 by yumean1...@gmail.com: > Both of you are saying that factual data such as opening_hours, phone numbers > or addresses require no investiment  > and thus they are not protected by the database rights. Am I right? > it seems to me that (I am no a lawyer etc) that it depends:

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Proposal for a revision of JA:Available Data

2019-07-05 Thread 石野貴之
Thank you, Mateusz and Tom. I am quite ignorant about the EU directive and it is beyond my ability to understand what is stated in it. However, there is one thing I could barely find in your messages. Both of you are saying that factual data such as opening_hours, phone numbers or addresses

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Proposal for a revision of JA:Available Data

2019-07-05 Thread Tom Hummel via legal-talk
> because it would be unfair if websites of small business are allowed > and those of large comanies are not. I don’t seem to be able to follow the problem here, hope you can help me: how can a collection of opening hours be a protectable database under directive 96/9/EG (speaking for the EU)? >

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Proposal for a revision of JA:Available Data

2019-07-05 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
5 Jul 2019, 11:39 by yumean1...@gmail.com: > because it would be unfair if websites of small business are allowed and > those of large comanies are not.  > I am guessing that it is also OK for large companies - but this is based on common sense that often fails for copyright. Though I

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Proposal for a revision of JA:Available Data

2019-07-05 Thread 石野貴之
Thank you for the responce. To Joseph: > Survey would still be needed, because website information can be wrong > or out-of-date. Even if website data is allowed, in-person survey is > the "gold standard", best practice. I totally agree. Mapping without survey is regarded as an "import" and

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Proposal for a revision of JA:Available Data

2019-07-05 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
5 Jul 2019, 05:22 by yumean1...@gmail.com: > The main point at issue is whether we are allowed to use official websites > that provide primary information or not. > Some of us think that we can use data from official websites unless it is > prohibited by their term of service. > I am not a

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Proposal for a revision of JA:Available Data

2019-07-04 Thread 石野貴之
The previous mail was cross-posted on talk, talk-ja and legal-talk. However, I was given an advice to avoid cross-posting and aggregate the discussion on legal-talk. Please remove talk and talk-ja from the mail adress when you post your opinion. I'm really sorry for the inconvenience. Thank you!