The man's craftier than Zyuganov, I gather. He has his supporters
use the anti-Semitic rhetoric, avoiding it himself.
This was not an anti-semitic joke but a joke by a famous *Jewish* comedian. If the
context had been transferred to Brooklyn and the person who made the joke was Woodie
En relacin a RE: [L-I] Re: Russia: CPRF Leader Interviewed - R,
el 17 Jan 01, a las 20:50, Mark Jones dijo:
you don't think that the CPRF = Marxism-Leninism, do you?
No, no and again no, as Vladimir Ilyich might say. But so what? Is it the use of
the name 'communist' which winds people up
This may be chauvinism. But probably the less "C" of all the CPs in the world
was the Argentine one (and the Uruguayan?). I missed it on Mark's short list,
when in fact it should have been heading it.
sorry, Nestor. My mistake.
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En relacin a Re: [L-I] Re: Russia: CPRF Leader Interviewed - R,
el 18 Jan 01, a las 4:44, Macdonald Stainsby dijo:
- Original Message -
From: Tony Abdo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(startled by Yoshie):
Social Democratic 'Movement' vs SD 'results'???
Umm, yeah. I would think this point is
I do not know whether General Makashov was a CPRF CC member, but he was
elected on the CPRF slate to the Duma. Unfortunately it will be rather easy
to find more antisemitic quotes from leading CPRF members.
Johannes
Just as you will find antisemitic quotes from leaders of the German
Communist
I do not know whether General Makashov was a CPRF CC member, but he was
elected on the CPRF slate to the Duma. Unfortunately it will be rather easy
to find more antisemitic quotes from leading CPRF members.
Johannes
Just as you will find antisemitic quotes from leaders of the German
Communist
Lou wrote:
The real issue
is not anti-Semitism or fascism, but the stubborn refusal of some radicals
to get on board the hate Yugoslavia campaign. Now that this is a dead
issue, the demagogues have turned their attention to Russia. Anybody who
does not take an oath of allegiance against the
Yoshie, what is it about this analysis by Kagarlitsky that you find to
be of merit? I find the idea that countries of the capitalist
''periphery" cannot have Social Democratic movements ludicrous. They
do all the time. Colombia and Mexico have both recently had Social
Democratic
Makahov is very famous for these quotes all the time as not just a CC member
of the KPRF, but higher than this -
Higher than a Member of the Central Committee?
What do you mean?
There are millions of Communists in Russia. So what?
It is essential to separate rank-and-file members from
Attempts to equate Marxism-Leninism with the ultra-right are not
only not new, they
are as old as socialism.
Mark
Sure, but you don't think that the CPRF = Marxism-Leninism, do you?
Since your comeback, you have argued for the importance of
revolutionary theory the need to debate it on this
Yoshie wrote:
The CPRF's program, such as it is, can never be achieved by the
CPRF's means.
This means that it's a normal party no? Operating according to the normal rules of
hypocrisy, double-dealing, sanctimoniousness etc of bourgeois parties everywhere.
Until just a few years ago, the
you don't think that the CPRF = Marxism-Leninism, do you?
No, no and again no, as Vladimir Ilyich might say. But so what? Is it the use of the
name 'communist' which winds people up into such hysterical frenzies? But we have
had non-communist communist parties for years and decades and people
Yoshie wrote:
Putin, by co-opting anti-Semitic anti-liberal rhetoric widespread
in Russia, can coopt the themes of "socialism = the modern form of
Russian patriotism" as well. The CPRF has only itself to blame,
since it's happy with the role of the loyal opposition.
On the contrary, Putin
Yoshie, what is it about this analysis by Kagarlitsky that you find to
be of merit? I find the idea that countries of the capitalist
''periphery" cannot have Social Democratic movements ludicrous. They
do all the time. Colombia and Mexico have both recently had Social
Democratic
Mark:
you don't think that the CPRF = Marxism-Leninism, do you?
No, no and again no, as Vladimir Ilyich might say.
I know where you stand. The rhetorical question was for the benefit
of L-I listers whose acquaintance with you doesn't go back very far.
But so what? Is it the use of the
name
It's not a matter of "political analysis".
It has nothing to do with "rank-and-file members".
It's a question if Myers lies or tells the truth
that Makashov's position in the KPRF is higher than a CC member.
He lies.
Very simple.
Best,
AD
At 03:27 PM 1/17/2001 -0500, you wrote:
Makahov is
The joke was disgusting, by the way.
AD
At 10:23 PM 1/17/2001 -, you wrote:
Yoshie wrote:
Putin, by co-opting anti-Semitic anti-liberal rhetoric widespread
in Russia, can coopt the themes of "socialism = the modern form of
Russian patriotism" as well. The CPRF has only itself to blame,
Mark:
Yoshie wrote:
Putin, by co-opting anti-Semitic anti-liberal rhetoric widespread
in Russia, can coopt the themes of "socialism = the modern form of
Russian patriotism" as well. The CPRF has only itself to blame,
since it's happy with the role of the loyal opposition.
On the
On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 22:18:31 +,
Owen Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
One of the members of their [KPRF] Central Committee advocated the
extermination of
the Russian Jewish population.
Who? Where? When?
Alexander Domrin
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I do not know whether General Makashov was a CPRF CC member, but he was
elected on the CPRF slate to the Duma. Unfortunately it will be rather easy
to find more antisemitic quotes from leading CPRF members.
Johannes
Just as you will find antisemitic quotes from leaders of the German
Communist
1.
I do not know whether General Makashov was a CPRF CC member, but he was
elected on the CPRF slate to the Duma.
Makashov was NEVER on the KPRF Party List.
In 1999 he was on the party list of "Movement in Support of Army"
(Ilyukhin, Makashov, Savelyev) which got 0.58 percent of votes and
Considering the sectarian nature of the matter, I tend to agree. Steve, your address
is [EMAIL PROTECTED], so people who are burning to get your analysis will get it there.
Too many people are choked at your analysis. Personally, I am not pleased with
calling the Zyuganov bunch "linked with the
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