Re: [L-I] Re: Serbia a typical postcommunist state

2000-11-23 Thread A.Wosni
I'm very much astonished to read such thing from you, comrade Mine. Owen may be wrong or not on the question of stateownership in Croatia/Serbia, but at least he is no defeatist running after one or another bourgeois regime because he can't think about real power of the workers. This is the

Re: [L-I] Re: Serbia a typical postcommunist state

2000-11-22 Thread Louis Proyect
Christian Science Monitor, June 6, 1996 On the one hand, Mr. Milosevic is desperate for international recognition of his regime, and to use his status as a peacemaker - bestowed by the West when he forced Bosnian Serbs to negotiate last autumn and signed the Dayton peace accord on their behalf

Re: [L-I] Re: Serbia a typical postcommunist state

2000-11-22 Thread Mine Aysen Doyran
Croatia under Tudjman had a much higher level of state ownership than Serbia under Milosevic, according to an economist Louis quoted from PEN-L or whatever the list is called in a rather vain effort to prove the progressive credentials of the Milosevic regime. Owen, this is not true! In

[L-I] Re: Serbia a typical postcommunist state

2000-11-22 Thread Owen Jones
Reply to Mine Aysen Doyran, at [EMAIL PROTECTED], who wrote on the 22/11/2000 21:34: In my humble opinion, you should subscribe Pen-l. I am sure you will find a large audience to your views there. Typical of the Milosevic fan club crowd. Those who do not subscribe to their twisted apologia

Re: [L-I] Re: Serbia a typical postcommunist state

2000-11-22 Thread Louis Proyect
Now now, lad...you seem to be the one who keeps re-joining lists you denounce as cesspools of revisionism and/or get kicked off of, are you not? but I love ya anyway... Macdonald Actually, John Lacny's list, which was supposed to be a Milosevic-free environment, is one of the most boring

Re: [L-I] Re: Serbia a typical postcommunist state

2000-11-22 Thread Nestor Miguel Gorojovsky
En relaciĆ³n a [L-I] Re: Serbia a "typical postcommunist state", el 22 Nov 00, a las 22:06, Owen Jones dijo: Reply to Mine Aysen Doyran, at [EMAIL PROTECTED], who wrote on the 22/11/2000 21:34: In my humble opinion, you should subscribe Pen-l. I am sure you will find a larg

Re: [L-I] Re: Serbia a typical postcommunist state

2000-11-22 Thread Nestor Miguel Gorojovsky
En relaciĆ³n a Re: [L-I] Re: Serbia a "typical postcommunist sta, el 22 Nov 00, a las 17:25, Louis Proyect dijo: Now now, lad...you seem to be the one who keeps re-joining lists you denounce as cesspools of revisionism and/or get kicked off of, are you not? but I love ya anyway...

Re: [L-I] Re: Serbia a typical postcommunist state

2000-11-22 Thread Mine Aysen Doyran
Nestor Miguel Gorojovsky wrote: Mine's proposition, from what I could learn of PEN-L during my permanence there, is a very sound one indeed. Many people there would honestly agree with you. Mischievousness on her side, at most, lies in what she did _not_ tell you on some other people who

[L-I] Re: Serbia a typical postcommunist state

2000-11-21 Thread Owen Jones
Hi Mac This is awful stuff. The author of this piece is assuming two falsities: 1, that the "revolution" in Yugoslavia must have been a popular one, Frankly if that revolution was not "popular" to use your vocabulary, then I really am at a lost as to what is a "popular" revolution by

Re: [L-I] Re: Serbia a typical postcommunist state

2000-11-21 Thread Louis Proyect
Owen: I'm sure the money was very useful for banners and posters and buying mansions for opposition leaders but it doesn't really explain why hundreds of thousands of workers and peasants took to the streets of the country and seized control of the means of production. How did imperialist money