Re: [L-I] What to do if the KLA and NATO fight (Fwd from Louis Proyect)

2000-08-25 Thread Nestor Miguel Gorojovsky
Date sent: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 11:10:16 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Louis Proyect [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: [L-I] What to do if the KLA and NATO fight Louis, I do not think one-liners like this advance the discussion at

Re: [L-I] What to do if the KLA and NATO fight (Fwd from Louis Proyect)

2000-08-25 Thread A.Wosni
Who has ever claimed that ideological exposure from the sidelines of the class struggle is enough? Of course the Bolsheviks did take an active and leading part in the day to day class struggle, but they were not economists, and they knew that consciousness was the key to a proletarian

Re: [L-I] What to do if the KLA and NATO fight (Fwd from Louis Proyect)

2000-08-25 Thread Louis Proyect
Who has ever claimed that ideological exposure from the sidelines of the class struggle is enough? Of course the Bolsheviks did take an active and leading part in the day to day class struggle, but they were not economists, and they knew that consciousness was the key to a proletarian

Re: [L-I] What to do if the KLA and NATO fight (Fwd from Louis Proyect)

2000-08-25 Thread Johannes Schneider
Louis Proyect: What you call consciousness I regard as socialist ideology. In point of fact, revolutions generally take place in advance of acceptance of socialist ideology by the great majority. Louis, I dont think that fact is contested at all. The common misconception of Marxists

Re: [L-I] What to do if the KLA and NATO fight (Fwd from Louis Proyect)

2000-08-25 Thread Louis Proyect
I dont want to speculate much about the 'ifs' in history, but I doubt there would have been an October uprising without thr previous split of Bolsheviks and Mensheviks. By the same token I think its the tragedy of the German revolution that the forces around Karl Liebknecht and Rosa Luxemburg