RE: [L-I] Re: Russia: CPRF Leader Interviewed - Russia TV

2001-01-18 Thread Mark Jones
The man's craftier than Zyuganov, I gather. He has his supporters use the anti-Semitic rhetoric, avoiding it himself. This was not an anti-semitic joke but a joke by a famous *Jewish* comedian. If the context had been transferred to Brooklyn and the person who made the joke was Woodie

RE: [L-I] Re: Russia: CPRF Leader Interviewed - Russia TV

2001-01-18 Thread Nestor Miguel Gorojovsky
En relacin a RE: [L-I] Re: Russia: CPRF Leader Interviewed - R, el 17 Jan 01, a las 20:50, Mark Jones dijo: you don't think that the CPRF = Marxism-Leninism, do you? No, no and again no, as Vladimir Ilyich might say. But so what? Is it the use of the name 'communist' which winds people up

RE: [L-I] Re: Russia: CPRF Leader Interviewed - Russia TV

2001-01-18 Thread Mark Jones
This may be chauvinism. But probably the less "C" of all the CPs in the world was the Argentine one (and the Uruguayan?). I missed it on Mark's short list, when in fact it should have been heading it. sorry, Nestor. My mistake. ___

Re: [L-I] Re: Russia: CPRF Leader Interviewed - Russia TV

2001-01-18 Thread Nestor Miguel Gorojovsky
En relacin a Re: [L-I] Re: Russia: CPRF Leader Interviewed - R, el 18 Jan 01, a las 4:44, Macdonald Stainsby dijo: - Original Message - From: Tony Abdo [EMAIL PROTECTED] (startled by Yoshie): Social Democratic 'Movement' vs SD 'results'??? Umm, yeah. I would think this point is

Re: [L-I] Re: Russia: CPRF Leader Interviewed - Russia TV

2001-01-17 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
I do not know whether General Makashov was a CPRF CC member, but he was elected on the CPRF slate to the Duma. Unfortunately it will be rather easy to find more antisemitic quotes from leading CPRF members. Johannes Just as you will find antisemitic quotes from leaders of the German Communist

RE: [L-I] Re: Russia: CPRF Leader Interviewed - Russia TV

2001-01-17 Thread Mark Jones
Yoshie wrote: The CPRF's program, such as it is, can never be achieved by the CPRF's means. This means that it's a normal party no? Operating according to the normal rules of hypocrisy, double-dealing, sanctimoniousness etc of bourgeois parties everywhere. Until just a few years ago, the

RE: [L-I] Re: Russia: CPRF Leader Interviewed - Russia TV

2001-01-17 Thread Mark Jones
you don't think that the CPRF = Marxism-Leninism, do you? No, no and again no, as Vladimir Ilyich might say. But so what? Is it the use of the name 'communist' which winds people up into such hysterical frenzies? But we have had non-communist communist parties for years and decades and people

RE: [L-I] Re: Russia: CPRF Leader Interviewed - Russia TV

2001-01-17 Thread Mark Jones
Yoshie wrote: Putin, by co-opting anti-Semitic anti-liberal rhetoric widespread in Russia, can coopt the themes of "socialism = the modern form of Russian patriotism" as well. The CPRF has only itself to blame, since it's happy with the role of the loyal opposition. On the contrary, Putin

Re: [L-I] Re: Russia: CPRF Leader Interviewed - Russia TV

2001-01-17 Thread Alexander Domrin
It's not a matter of "political analysis". It has nothing to do with "rank-and-file members". It's a question if Myers lies or tells the truth that Makashov's position in the KPRF is higher than a CC member. He lies. Very simple. Best, AD At 03:27 PM 1/17/2001 -0500, you wrote: Makahov is

RE: [L-I] Re: Russia: CPRF Leader Interviewed - Russia TV

2001-01-17 Thread Alexander Domrin
The joke was disgusting, by the way. AD At 10:23 PM 1/17/2001 -, you wrote: Yoshie wrote: Putin, by co-opting anti-Semitic anti-liberal rhetoric widespread in Russia, can coopt the themes of "socialism = the modern form of Russian patriotism" as well. The CPRF has only itself to blame,

RE: [L-I] Re: Russia: CPRF Leader Interviewed - Russia TV

2001-01-16 Thread Alexander Domrin
On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 22:18:31 +, Owen Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of the members of their [KPRF] Central Committee advocated the extermination of the Russian Jewish population. Who? Where? When? Alexander Domrin ___ Leninist-International

Re: [L-I] Re: Russia: CPRF Leader Interviewed - Russia TV

2001-01-16 Thread Louis Proyect
I do not know whether General Makashov was a CPRF CC member, but he was elected on the CPRF slate to the Duma. Unfortunately it will be rather easy to find more antisemitic quotes from leading CPRF members. Johannes Just as you will find antisemitic quotes from leaders of the German Communist

Re: [L-I] Re: Russia: CPRF Leader Interviewed - Russia TV

2001-01-16 Thread Alexander Domrin
1. I do not know whether General Makashov was a CPRF CC member, but he was elected on the CPRF slate to the Duma. Makashov was NEVER on the KPRF Party List. In 1999 he was on the party list of "Movement in Support of Army" (Ilyukhin, Makashov, Savelyev) which got 0.58 percent of votes and

Re: [L-I] Re: Russia: CPRF Leader Interviewed - Russia TV

2001-01-16 Thread Macdonald Stainsby
Considering the sectarian nature of the matter, I tend to agree. Steve, your address is [EMAIL PROTECTED], so people who are burning to get your analysis will get it there. Too many people are choked at your analysis. Personally, I am not pleased with calling the Zyuganov bunch "linked with the