Re: OT: A better way to code, by Mike Bostock

2018-04-13 Thread Matt Wilkie
What a richness of thoughts and links in this thread. Another project to draw inspiration from: *Glitch Rewind*. https://medium.com/glitch/reinventing-version-control-with-glitch-rewind-914c350da442 "...with Rewind, you can see *every* change, every commit, and walk backwards in time through

Re: OT: A better way to code, by Mike Bostock

2018-03-20 Thread Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas
Of course, the advantage of Joe Orr's Leo Vue demo is that it provides a single link to follow, which is what happens with most of the web native apps, with nothing to install, just a link and you're done (provided that you have good connectivity, which doesn't happen in a lot of places of the

Re: OT: A better way to code, by Mike Bostock

2018-03-20 Thread Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas
Hi, On 20/03/18 04:02, Edward K. Ream wrote: > > Comparing the fluency and momentum I get with Pharo with Python or > Javascript or similar file based and indirect techs, is difficult > to invest time in learning them deeply > > > ​I'm glad you are exploring the Pharo world.  The

Re: OT: A better way to code, by Mike Bostock

2018-03-20 Thread Edward K. Ream
On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 7:50 PM, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas < off...@riseup.net> wrote: I still remember the day when, just three months after using Pharo and its > ecosystem, I was able to prototype an outliner with live coding [8] nodes, > something I was proposing/trying with Leo + IPython

Re: OT: A better way to code, by Mike Bostock

2018-03-19 Thread Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas
Hi, On "talking code", I have not found nothing better that Smalltalk, specially current incarnations (like Pharo[1]) that feed on a long tradition of live coding[1a], mainly because you can create custom tools with custom presentations that can accommodate to your work flows and needs investing

Re: OT: A better way to code, by Mike Bostock

2018-03-18 Thread Xavier G. Domingo (xgid)
Great Terry! For me it's a meaningful first step, just in the perfect moment! Thanks a lot for sharing. Amongst all the infos I would like to "have close", it is probably one of the most importants. What I would like to have for tests would be something like this (but nicer, of course):

Re: OT: A better way to code, by Mike Bostock

2018-03-18 Thread Terry Brown
On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 01:15:04 -0700 (PDT) "Xavier G. Domingo (xgid)" wrote: > OK, enough poetry. Let's go to the Vision: my ideal IDE is the one > that tells you all the info related to the code at hand in a > non-intrusive, expressive, a click-away manner, all the time. The

Re: OT: A better way to code, by Mike Bostock

2018-03-18 Thread Xavier G. Domingo (xgid)
Great! Many thanks for your encouraging words. So I think I should try to explain first what I mean by "talking code". The idea is simple: when someone tells you that he is a programmer, he's telling you what he DOES. But that's not, by far, all he IS. There's much more he can *tell* you

Re: OT: A better way to code, by Mike Bostock

2018-03-17 Thread Edward K. Ream
On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at 7:11 AM, Xavier G. Domingo (xgid) < xgdomi...@gmail.com> wrote: > I have to admit that we are on the same boat here! After 30 years of > programming, with 20+ programming languages including rare gems like > CLIPPER and CHILL, I knew I was at home when I found Python. And

Re: OT: A better way to code, by Mike Bostock

2018-03-17 Thread Xavier G. Domingo (xgid)
I have to admit that we are on the same boat here! After 30 years of programming, with 20+ programming languages including rare gems like CLIPPER and CHILL, I knew I was at home when I found Python. And I'm not going to change this, at least on this life! But I know that we *can get the goal

Re: OT: A better way to code, by Mike Bostock

2018-03-17 Thread Edward K. Ream
On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at 12:51 AM, Xavier G. Domingo (xgid) < xgdomi...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Matt, thanks for sharing this! > > It seems that Bostock is a strong follower of Bret Victor, which I've > found always quite inspiring on better ways of programming. The work at > observablehq.com

Re: OT: A better way to code, by Mike Bostock

2018-03-16 Thread Xavier G. Domingo (xgid)
Hi Matt, thanks for sharing this! It seems that Bostock is a strong follower of Bret Victor, which I've found always quite inspiring on better ways of programming. The work at observablehq.com seems strongly focused on intensive data manipulation and

Re: OT: A better way to code, by Mike Bostock

2018-03-16 Thread Edward K. Ream
On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 11:44 PM, Matt Wilkie wrote: > > I'm continually in awe of Mike Bostock's work, c.f. Data Driven Documents ( >> d3.org). ... >> > > should have been https://d3js.org/ > ​Yes, d3 is cool. Edward -- You received this message because you are subscribed

Re: OT: A better way to code, by Mike Bostock

2018-03-15 Thread Matt Wilkie
> I'm continually in awe of Mike Bostock's work, c.f. Data Driven Documents ( > d3.org). ... > should have been https://d3js.org/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "leo-editor" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it,

Re: OT: A better way to code, by Mike Bostock

2018-03-15 Thread Matt Wilkie
> ​I'm wary of flashy demos that don't actually involve programming. > Wariness on the internet is justified! Here's the real thing: https://beta.observablehq.com/ matt -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "leo-editor" group. To unsubscribe from this

Re: OT: A better way to code, by Mike Bostock

2018-03-15 Thread Edward K. Ream
On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 11:02 AM, Matt Wilkie wrote: > I'm continually in awe of Mike Bostock's work, c.f. Data Driven Documents ( > d3.org). Impressive as that is, it's his power to clearly explain data, > visualization and programming in cohesive bundle that transforms my >

OT: A better way to code, by Mike Bostock

2018-03-14 Thread Matt Wilkie
I'm continually in awe of Mike Bostock's work, c.f. Data Driven Documents ( d3.org). Impressive as that is, it's his power to clearly explain data, visualization and programming in cohesive bundle that transforms my thinking which impresses me most. I've not yet learned to do anything